OH - 9 killed + Gunman, 16 injured, Mass Shooting, Oregon District, Dayton, 4 Aug 2019

[danzn16]

Is it my imagination but does it seem like crime rate esp. homicide conceded with hotter days of summer so around August?

It does. I learned in college they’ve done studies on it and found this is the case, however I’ve never looked these particular studies up myself

 

[x_files]

Yes actually his sister and companion were shot outside a different bar and the people were shot while walking towards Ned peppers on the street which would plane them in front of entirely different buildings. Police were shooting at him while standing in the street just past Ned peppers causing him to attempt to enter inside the bar, but he may have planned to enter all along who knows. Police set up an ambush where he would have to attempt to enter otherwise he would have to walk towards shooting police. However they placed an officer at the entrance to shoot him as he tried to enter. He also could have chosen to turn around and run away i guess. Not sure what Police would have done in that instance.

But no it does not really appear Ned Peppers was targeted, that entire area was the target

People having fun on a Saturday night. Because he was unhappy with his life.

 

[Gardenista]

I thought the sister was shot first, before the people outside of Ned Pepper's. I am wondering whether she saw him and tried to stop him.

She was shot before the people near NP's, but someone was shot before her and the friend.

 

[x_files]

What the pundits probably will not mention is this dude was a type of leftist that uses leftism to acess vulnerable women. He apparently had lists of women to rape and kill from high school, and played in a pornocore band - overly sexual music about raping preteen girls.

It appears that his hatred of women (and probably his sister) was a much bigger factor than leftism.

yeah, hating women wanting to rape them then spouting off left-liberal ideas is really odd mix. Misogyny isn't a trait of liberalism. At least it shouldn't be! makes zero logical sense.
My bet he is demented. Maybe not legally insane or even diagnosed with a mental illness but filled with severe hatred and self-entitlement.
It's confusing to us because his actions are "crazy" and "insane" to us because we don't harbor grudges or hatred.
Psychopathy is considered a personality disorder but not sure that fits the legal definition of mental illness. An attorney would have to weigh in on it.
I want to lump psychopaths up with the mentally ill, but not sure it fits. I know some people prefer the term evil over psychopath.
Hate Is Not a Mental Illness

 

[Gardenista]

Where are you hearing that? In the presser the chief said his sister and companion were initial victims

No, someone was shot before her

ETA

Betts’ sister was not the first victim of the shooting, but was one of the initial victims. Police have not said if he was targeting his sister. Her companion was wounded, but not killed, and has talked to police, authorities said.

Connor Betts: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[Snoopster]

Stuik Bohemicus on Twitter

This tweet has a link to the web archive for CB's FB page.

 

[Betty P]

It's not your imagination. Here is an article based on DOJ research. Why Does Crime Spike in Summer?

Just curious, I wonder if there's any correlation or link to higher suicide rates in winter? Some things may be as simple as people with psych issues being inside and not socializing during winter vs. being outdoors and socializing (and feeling stressed because of it) in summer?

 

[enelram]

What does a 24 yr. old male, who's not working
and not in school, do with their time day in and day out? And he still lives at home so no expenses.
Go to a local bar and drink?
Play on the computer?
can't picture what his life was like.

 

[x_files]

What does a 24 yr. old male, who's not working
and not in school, do with their time day in and day out? And he still lives at home so no expenses.
Go to a local bar and drink?
Play on the computer?
can't picture what his life was like.

bored out of his mind. Obviously, it seemed to be unhealthy for him to have so much time on his hands.
I wonder if his parents asked him to attend college, get, and keep a job and he just threatened them? Did they live in fear of him?

 

[Betty P]

What the pundits probably will not mention is this dude was a type of leftist that uses leftism to acess vulnerable women. He apparently had lists of women to rape and kill from high school, and played in a pornocore band - overly sexual music about raping preteen girls.

It appears that his hatred of women (and probably his sister) was a much bigger factor than leftism.

Possible, but it doesn't sound like he was having any success in attracting women. Was it a "porncore" band? I thought some of the lyrics he had posted were more like "death metal". People who are fans of heavy metal music (not me, but some of my kids were) do not like people who are into death metal. That's a whole different genre and group of people who are definitely out of the mainstream of life, so to speak.

Porncore, doesn't sound much better, JMO, but I'm not familiar with it so probably shouldn't judge. The pornographic and violent anime stuff seems very sketchy, too. Infantilization and abuse of women, etc. Haven't seen much except when clicking on links of criminals social media accounts, but it really raises a lot of red flags for me.

 

[human]

This article has interviews with some of CB's middle & high school classmates...
NEW DETAILS: Dayton shooter obsessed with killing, Bellbrook classmates say

"Police said they haven’t yet established a motive for Sunday’s massacre. But acquaintances tell the Dayton Daily News the warning signs — signs of the shooter’s unusual obsession with killing and death — cropped up long ago.

“This isn’t a mystery to me,” said one middle school classmate. “I’m furious.”
The classmate, who spoke to the newspaper on condition of anonymity, said the shooter once said he fantasized about tying her up and slitting her throat. The fetish was so macabre that even the shooter admitted he was scared of his thoughts, the woman recalled him saying. “He knew it wasn’t normal,” the woman said about the decade-old conversation. “He and I talked at length about him getting help.”

The woman said she and her parents told Bellbrook police about the bizarre admission, but the woman said she felt she wasn’t taken seriously, despite the would-be shooter including her on a hit list."

All we need to do is look at Jeffrey Epstein and we can see how women are thought of

 

[enelram]

bored out of his mind. Obviously, it seemed to be unhealthy for him to have so much time on his hands.
I wonder if his parents asked him to attend college, get, and keep a job and he just threatened them? Did they live in fear of him?

Great question. I saw a couple photos of him with widely dilated pupils. Wildly maybe.
Did he do drugs? Was he on psychotropic drugs for his problems? Some pics make him look a little psycho with everyone else smiling
away. did his family think this is normal?
Yeah, maybe his family was like... don't poke the bear.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Just curious, I wonder if there's any correlation or link to higher suicide rates in winter? Some things may be as simple as people with psych issues being inside and not socializing during winter vs. being outdoors and socializing (and feeling stressed because of it) in summer?

I remember reading that the lack of enough sunshine caused depression in some people, and that a sunlamp would help in the depression. I read that a long time ago so take it with a shaker of salt.

 

[danzn16]

What does a 24 yr. old male, who's not working
and not in school, do with their time day in and day out? And he still lives at home so no expenses.
Go to a local bar and drink?
Play on the computer?
can't picture what his life was like.

I seriously want to know this as well however I do think they stated he worked at Chipotle.

 

[enelram]

bored out of his mind. Obviously, it seemed to be unhealthy for him to have so much time on his hands.
I wonder if his parents asked him to attend college, get, and keep a job and he just threatened them? Did they live in fear of him?

I notice his fascination with guns goes way back
to his pre-teen, early teen years, and he apparently had the blessings from his father.
It must have been scarey living in that home
knowing his anger issues and knowing he had
guns in the house.
Maybe no one wanted to cross him and just left him alone.
He does sound very lonely and screwed up
mentally in some of his sm comments.

 

[human]

Obviously, he has had severe issues for years.

He may not be able to work because he cannot hold a job, His personality may be highly unpleasant or he may have mental breaks on the job.

People are thrilled trying to link him to a leftist agenda, but none of his thought are coherent. Raping women, having guns with high capacity killing, voting for Elizabeth Warren. Yeah, that goes together. NOT!

 

[IceIce9]

What does a 24 yr. old male, who's not working
and not in school, do with their time day in and day out? And he still lives at home so no expenses.
Go to a local bar and drink?
Play on the computer?
can't picture what his life was like.

It was mentioned early on that he worked at Chipotle in Centerville. I took note of that because I’ve eaten at that location before.

Also mentioned was that he had previously worked at Marathon too, apparently the same time as his Chipotle job and had to give it up.

 

[Gardenista]

I notice his fascination with guns goes way back
to his pre-teen, early teen years, and he apparently had the blessings from his father.
It must have been scarey living in that home
knowing his anger issues and knowing he had
guns in the house.
Maybe no one wanted to cross him and just left him alone.
He does sound very lonely and screwed up
mentally in some of his sm comments.

All I've seen from his dad is big time anti-gun.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I've never seen that. Antifa demonstrations typically focus on white nationalists/supremacists, KKK, etc. In fact, Antifa recently demonstrated against some white supremacists in Dayton. Several months ago, IIRC. Have never seen a woman being attacked by antifa demostrators at a KKK rally.

I only watch them on Youtube and they are equal opportunity haters.

 

[Gardenista]

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