OH - 9 killed + Gunman, 16 injured, Mass Shooting, Oregon District, Dayton, 4 Aug 2019

[danzn16]

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There is a screen shot from a facebook post from someone that CB went to high school with. He said he threatened his friends lives MULTIPLE times. His violence from making a hit list in school was dismissed as "boys will be boys" beliefs. Also stated he wasn't surprised to hear it was CB. Also states he wasn't bullied at all in high school. Sounds like he was the bully.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

All I've seen from his dad is big time anti-gun.

From descriptions in the media and in social media, I don't think his family approved of such things as guns. But who knows what really goes on behind closed doors.

 

[enelram]

It was mentioned early on that he worked at Chipotle in Centerville. I took note of that because I’ve eaten at that location before.

Also mentioned was that he had previously worked at Marathon too, apparently the same time as his Chipotle job and had to give it up.

Yes, thanks, I recall reading those comments.
But wasn't that a while back when he was
still in school at the community college?
For some reason I thought he was no longer at
Chipotle. But you may be right.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

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There is a screen shot from a facebook post from someone that CB went to high school with. He said he threatened his friends lives MULTIPLE times. His violence from making a hit list in school was dismissed as "boys will be boys" beliefs. Also stated he wasn't surprised to hear it was CB. Also states he wasn't bullied at all in high school. Sounds like he was the bully.

We have people saying he was bullied, we have people saying he was the bully, we have people saying he was friendless, we have people saying he was their friend. We have reports that he was attending college and taking psychology, we have reports that he wasn't in school. We have reports he was working, we have reports that he wouldn't work. I hope more information comes out so we can understand the killer and his motivations.

 

[danzn16]

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A woman named Aubrey Williams wrote, “He loved scaring people. He thought it was funny and got off on it. He scared my sister so bad once, I think he held her in his car against her will. She started crying and he laughed at her. He was sick.” Another wrote, “wasnt our responsibility!! We WERE just kids!! It should not be a kids job to sfop a killer!! People did report him!!”

I know everyone is posting that mental illness isn't the cause of these mass shootings. However this sounds like aspects of mental illness and in the least severe personality disorder like antisocialism.

 

[Inthedetails]

Most of these guys are failures with no excuse for failure - they had relatively comfortable middle-class lives, went to good schools, and their siblings and many of their classmates and former friends are doing better than them, getting college degrees, getting better jobs, getting romantic partners. So they can either try harder to succeed at life or they can latch onto some scapegoat or conspiracy theory to blame their failures on. The latter option has been made easier by all the people who make a living telling middle-class male underachievers that nothing is their fault, and that everyone really is out to get them.

Yes, that's basically what I'm saying. They have no excuse not to succeed, so they make their own excuse by committing an extremely violent crime. The "excuse" is then they are either dead or in jail for the rest of their lives.


jmo

 

[enelram]

From descriptions in the media and in social media, I don't think his family approved of such things as guns. But who knows what really goes on behind closed doors.

MSM has mentioned a post still on his father's
fb when CB was 14, and dad says something like
'This is for you CB' and it showed a pic of some
super dooper powerful pistol. I would interpret that as dad supported CB's gun interest.
MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

The shooting might be revenge for El Paso, he was known in the area (seemingly well liked in one bar) and probably knew the different bars. That bar's patrons may not have lived up to his personal standards of belief. As for his poor sister, she might have not lived up to his standards, or he knew he would die that night, and wanted congenial company in the experience. In the pics, they seem close. Seem being the operative word. MOO

I don't think the issue was that the sister didn't live up to his standards, but that he didn't live up to the family standards - he couldn't achieve whatever she and the parents had achieved, so he destroyed her and any reminder of her.

JMOpinion at this time.

 

[coffeeandacig]

MSM has mentioned a post still on his father's
fb when CB was 14, and dad says something like
'This is for you CB' and it showed a pic of some
super dooper powerful pistol. I would interpret that as dad supported CB's gun interest.
MOO

How do we know it's a true photo?
Yesterday, I became confused, because it seems there were several photos released of the El Paso murderer firing a gun, and standing in front of a Trump Tower sign...neither of which were him. And as stated in the El Paso murderer's manifesto he was not fond of either political party.

 

[Gardenista]

This is just about over, but the full video should be available soon

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[Inthedetails]

What does a 24 yr. old male, who's not working
and not in school, do with their time day in and day out? And he still lives at home so no expenses.
Go to a local bar and drink?
Play on the computer?
can't picture what his life was like.

I can't picture it either, but it seems ripe for festering sick thoughts and spiraling downward.

I don't have a solution, but this situation seems like it was going nowhere good, even if it didn't end with violence.

If you asked him what did he want to be doing in five years, I bet he wouldn't have an answer, imo.

Directionless plus having sick thoughts...that was his life, apparently. Add a gun to that.

jmo

 

[Gardenista]

MSM has mentioned a post still on his father's
fb when CB was 14, and dad says something like
'This is for you CB' and it showed a pic of some
super dooper powerful pistol. I would interpret that as dad supported CB's gun interest.
MOO

That was not MSM and it was the CB that was posted several times here in error. Not sure if those posts were removed.

 

[margarita25]

Those who are directly affected are suffering a horrible loss, and nothing else matters.

But for others, it's probably worth putting this in context.

Humanity has a long history of violence. Blood lust has been part of the human condition forever. Think of the names and the atrocities they've committed: ISIS, Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler (and Eichmann, Himmler, Mengele, and others), Vladimir Lenin, Talat, H.H. Holmes, Jack the Ripper, King Leopold, Elizabeth Bathory, Queen Mary I, Ivan the Terrible, Timur, Vlad the Impaler, Genghis Kahn, Atilla the Hun, Caligula, Nero.....

So yes, there will always be violence. It's human nature. Fortunately, the world is less violent now than it has been.

And as for mass shootings, they remain rare.

https://everytownresearch.org/reports/mass-shootings-analysis/

9-year period from January 2009 and December 2017

173 mass shootings

1,793 people shot, including 1,001 killed, or an average of 111 deaths per year.

Domestic/family violence accounts for more than half of these shootings, and 102 of the 173 shootings took place entirely in private homes.

BEHIND THE BLOODSHED: THE UNTOLD STORY OF AMERICA'S MASS KILLINGS

From 2006 to 2017, there have been more than 350 mass killings in the United States, 272 of which were shootings. Those 272 shootings killed 1,483 people, or an average of approximately 123 deaths per year.

130 of those 272 shootings were domestic/family situations that killed 597 people.

31 of those 272 were robbery/burglaries that killed 137 people.

58 of those 272 were “public killings” that killed 517 people, so an average of 5 public mass shootings that kill 43 people year.

Only 5 of the mass killers had an automatic weapon on them.

Other causes of death in the US:

• Accidental poisoning: 64,000 per year
• Flu: 55,000 per year (1,700 under age 45)
• Car accidents: 40,000 per year
• Falls: 36,000 per year (1,100 under age 45)
• Alcohol induced liver disease: 20,000 to 25,000 per year (3,000 under age 45)
• Accidental strangulation: 6,900 per year
• HIV: 5,000 to 6,000 per year
• Accidental drowning: 3,700 per year (400 pool drownings)
• Mother childbirth complications: 1,200 per year
• Bicycle accidents: 700 to 800 per year
• Accidental gun discharge: 400 to 500 per year
• Flesh eating bacteria: 150 to 200 per year
• Food allergies: 150 to 200 per year
• Mass shootings: 100 to 120 per year
• Dog bites: 30 to 50 per year
• Skiing/snowboarding: 35 to 40 per year
• Lightning strikes: 20 to 40 per year

Indeed, there has been violence in all of time. And mass shootings account for only a portion of deaths and violence.

However, my concern is specifically the increase of mass shootings over just the last few years, and the inability for people to stop it due to various factors.

Last year’s charts as far as the increase were astounding.

From your stats above:

“year period from January 2009 and December 2017

173 mass shootings

I,793 people shot, including 1,001 killed, or an average of 111 deaths per year.”

This stat is not really relevant to the increase imo as it addresses the average since 2009.

Instead, take a look at the rate of increase in the last few years. That to me is the significant statistic.

Rate of mass shootings has tripled since 2011, new research from Harvard shows

“The FBI’s data set contains 44 cases in which four or more people were murdered; as the chart below shows, the process underlying this set of events shifted between late 2011 and early 2012, with mass shootings occurring more frequently since.“

——

Mass shootings involving schools are also clearly on the rise:

Rapid rise in mass school shootings in the United States, study shows: Researchers call for action to address worrying increase in the number of mass school shootings in past two decades

 

[Gardenista]

How do we know it's a true photo?
Yesterday, I became confused, because it seems there were several photos released of the El Paso murderer firing a gun, and standing in front of a Trump Tower sign...neither of which were him. And as stated in the El Paso murderer's manifesto he was not fond of either political party.

Yes it kept being posted even though the first names were spelled differently.

 

[enelram]

I don't think the issue was that the sister didn't live up to his standards, but that he didn't live up to the family standards - he couldn't achieve whatever she and the parents had achieved, so he destroyed her and any reminder of her.

JMOpinion at this time.

Agree, and this problem probably started many years back in his early childhood. If he was a PIA kid
he may have felt rejected way back then.
Would be interesting to hear what he was like
as a small child. Was he whiney? Mischievous? Demanding? Temper tantrums?
Jealous of new baby sister?
Maybe over the years he was disenchanted
w/ his younger sister getting more favoritism
in the family because she was an easier child.
this does happen in families when parents are
very busy in the outside world.

 

[Elley Mae]

The Ohio gunman described himself on social media as a pro-Satan “leftist” who wanted Joe Biden’s generation to die off, hated President Trump and law enforcement, and hoped to vote for Sen. Elizabeth Warren for president.


Connor Betts, Ohio gunman, was Elizabeth Warren supporter

“Vote blue for gods sake,” he wrote last Nov. 2. On the day of the senator’s death, Betts wrote “F—k John McCain.”

 

[enelram]

That was not MSM and it was the CB that was posted several times here in error. Not sure if those posts were removed.

No, it's still on fb. under SB, I checked.

 

[ConnieC420]

How many times do we have to go through this? Dude claimed to be leftist, sure, but when you look closer he was barely leftist - and virtually every leftist believes what he did was wrong.

 

[danzn16]

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Reporter stating female reported CB to police about his threats in 2009 however police state they have no record of it, will look into it.

Only minor traffic violations.

Family hasnot yet designated a speaker for them, police hoping they do.

Police can not confirm if there was a hit list.

Family being treated as victims.

There are people at family's home "helping them with other issues they are facing but police are not ready to share that with you right now".

No information on what has been taken from house or investigation will be shared.

Basically no new information shared.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Those who are directly affected are suffering a horrible loss, and nothing else matters.

But for others, it's probably worth putting this in context.

Humanity has a long history of violence. Blood lust has been part of the human condition forever. Think of the names and the atrocities they've committed: ISIS, Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler (and Eichmann, Himmler, Mengele, and others), Vladimir Lenin, Talat, H.H. Holmes, Jack the Ripper, King Leopold, Elizabeth Bathory, Queen Mary I, Ivan the Terrible, Timur, Vlad the Impaler, Genghis Kahn, Atilla the Hun, Caligula, Nero.....

So yes, there will always be violence. It's human nature. Fortunately, the world is less violent now than it has been.

And as for mass shootings, they remain rare.

https://everytownresearch.org/reports/mass-shootings-analysis/

9-year period from January 2009 and December 2017

173 mass shootings

1,793 people shot, including 1,001 killed, or an average of 111 deaths per year.

Domestic/family violence accounts for more than half of these shootings, and 102 of the 173 shootings took place entirely in private homes.

BEHIND THE BLOODSHED: THE UNTOLD STORY OF AMERICA'S MASS KILLINGS

From 2006 to 2017, there have been more than 350 mass killings in the United States, 272 of which were shootings. Those 272 shootings killed 1,483 people, or an average of approximately 123 deaths per year.

130 of those 272 shootings were domestic/family situations that killed 597 people.

31 of those 272 were robbery/burglaries that killed 137 people.

58 of those 272 were “public killings” that killed 517 people, so an average of 5 public mass shootings that kill 43 people year.

Only 5 of the mass killers had an automatic weapon on them.

Other causes of death in the US:

• Accidental poisoning: 64,000 per year
• Flu: 55,000 per year (1,700 under age 45)
• Car accidents: 40,000 per year
• Falls: 36,000 per year (1,100 under age 45)
• Alcohol induced liver disease: 20,000 to 25,000 per year (3,000 under age 45)
• Accidental strangulation: 6,900 per year
• HIV: 5,000 to 6,000 per year
• Accidental drowning: 3,700 per year (400 pool drownings)
• Mother childbirth complications: 1,200 per year
• Bicycle accidents: 700 to 800 per year
• Accidental gun discharge: 400 to 500 per year
• Flesh eating bacteria: 150 to 200 per year
• Food allergies: 150 to 200 per year
• Mass shootings: 100 to 120 per year
• Dog bites: 30 to 50 per year
• Skiing/snowboarding: 35 to 40 per year
• Lightning strikes: 20 to 40 per year

Thank you for putting it all into context. Context means everything, when it comes to vital information.

Sadly many including MSM like nothing better than to lump them altogether as if the total are public mass shootings where the soft targets were almost always total strangers to the suspects.

Why they have such a need to mislead I've never quite understood. Why not just state the truth about public mass shootings which shows they are still very rare? And it shows far more handguns have been used by far than long guns. But just by listening to the pundits we would think they were all done using long guns. Why the need to be so deceptive I wonder?

Many more mass homicides are as you have listed...are domestic violence homicides or even done in home invasions committed by criminals.

Why not just layout the facts like you have done. It's there for everyone to read for themselves. Then everyone has the facts.

Imo, all misleading information does is confuse people for many seem to just believe what others say rather than searching for the factual truth themselves. I find that very sad.

In the past administration iirc they even wanted mass murder to be three or more when the FBI has always used four or more, and continue to do now how it's been done for decades. Was it intended to make like it seemed more public mass shooting were happening? IDK, but it doesnt make sense to abruptly want to change FBI guidelines which has been the accepted number in place for decades now. The same guideline still used.

Everyone should be aware of the facts about anything they discuss, and care about.

Just believing anything because anyone says so is not only misleading..misinformationcan an be dangerous.

Out of the facts you have posted I find it alarming even in modern times we are losing 1200 mothers due to childbirth complications. I knew it was a high number, but not that high so thank you for enlightening us all bringing it to our attention, and all of the other causes for death.

The overdose deaths each year should be very alarming to everyone. It's more than the size of many towns.

Jmho