OH - Aliyah Myrick, 19 mos, Cincinnati, 7 Oct 2005 *Insanity*

[SewingDeb]

I wonder how soon they got the Amber Alert out? I hope they didn't think the baby ran away from home or that they didn't suspect foul play. It is pretty obvious that the father meant to harm the baby from what the mother said.

This guy is going to use insanity as a defense. Maybe he is insane by the sounds of some of the things he had been doing. I know one thing...if my husband was acting crazy I would have been gone. That would scare me to death.

This is just so horrible. That poor little baby. I can't even think of what she probably went through...at the hands of her daddy. Insane or not this guy doesn't deserve to keep breathing.

They weren't living together. He was facing criminal trespassing charges from July. She had already left him, but he showed up and took the baby while she was unloading groceries from the car.

 

[SewingDeb]

I want to say something....

I understand the outrage... But if truly this person was a special needs child and later an adult??

WTH is wrong with a society that permitted this??

I am going to defend that..
WHY??
Because the schools and most of the parents of these children SUCK.
Its no ones freakin problem until this???

It was... and the schools lied and disobeyed federal laws and the parents WILLFULLY believed them.
SO 20 years later what the heck is the result? OH yes lets put it off on the disabled??
It was noones fault previous? Now that he is over 18 its his fault?

Look, All I am saying is if this person is truly truly disabled to blame him is akin to blaming a child.
For years schools cannot AND WILL NOT teach these children, parents are left on there own with little or no information how to and DR's are no better at helping them.
So this happens and now its the fault of the documented mentally ill father?
Sterilize the mentally ill?
How about teaching them rather then fighting parents who try to?
Is this the same country that cried over Terri?
Lets see? defend one who is disabled but condemn the other because they just did not fall into a coma??

I am sorry this child died. I am sorry this man was not helped.
But there is something seriously wrong with a society that permits, and fights even, to not help disabled people then gets upset when they react in ways we do not understand.
Either we say yes we change this and mean it and fight for it or we shut the hell up and tolerate such consequences.

Where are y'all getting that he was a special needs child? All I am seeing is that he was fine until after he got out of the coast guard (after serving 7 years) and then he started acting wierd.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Where are y'all getting that he was a special needs child? All I am seeing is that he was fine until after he got out of the coast guard (after serving 7 years) and then he started acting wierd.

I asked the same thing and got no answer, either.
There's a great deal of difference between being mentally ill and mentally disabled.

 

[Amraann]

I don't know I read it on the thread ??


But either way someone documented mentally ill.
That issue needs to be addressed.

 

[pardilia]

I asked the same thing and got no answer, either.
There's a great deal of difference between being mentally ill and mentally disabled.

Someone leaped to the conclusion in a very early post. =)

What bothers me is that mother put her 10 year old son in charge of that baby knowing that their father was disturbed and could very well harm them. She could have very well have gotten them into their apartment and locked them in and then gone back to bring the groceries up herself.

Not to mention that apparently NO ONE in the family felt the need to try and get him help beyond suggesting that he get some.

 

[Nore]

I think we need to sterilize the ACLU too.

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Jeana~Boy are you right! Truer words were never spoken.It's time to tell the ACLU to kiss our a** and go after these creeps vigilante style.Sounds stupid but I think it is the only thing that will work.I am also in favor of castration!!!

 

[SewingDeb]

It's more than tragic, it's atrocious. I think the police were definitely negligent in this situation, try though they might to defend their actions (or lack of actions).

I was angry when I read that the 911 had been looked into and the police say the dispatcher handled it correctly. Where is their compassion? And more importantly, where is their common sense?

 

[LinasK]

This case outrages me too, that the dispatcher told the mother the father had a right to his daughter and the police wouldn't go after him, but PLEASE posters,:hand: stop attacking the ACLU!!! Comments like that have no basis in this thread, they belong in the political pavilion! The ACLU defends Civil Liberties, NOT a psychotic murderer who violated his daughter's civil liberties and life!!!!!:behindbar

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

I agree with you Jeana and I am going to step up onto my soap box for a second so just ignore me if you don’t want to hear this. What in the h*ll is going on in this country? When did it become to ok to worry about what other countries are doing instead of what is going on here? We have an epidemic that is only going to get worse and we, as a nation, need to stand up and declare that WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! Parents who could give a cr*p about their kids, parents using the kids to get at the other one, parents who kill their child for one reason or another and the law is so afraid of not being PC that they seem to have more empathy for the offenders than for the parents. A child goes missing, doesn’t matter if they are 2 or 45, they are someone’s child and LE is so afraid of law suits and media that they put their heads in the sand and hide behind hypocritical red tape. GROW A PAIR AND DO WHAT YOU WERE SWORN TO DO… What happened to protect and serve? Did I miss the memo where they changed it to protect and serve the criminal? Sexual predators stalk their prey and there is nothing done about it! Justice, yes you are innocent until proven guilty but once they are guilty they need to take drastic measures. There needs to be laws so tough that once you are convicted you go to jail forever. Not 5 years, not 10, FOREVER. In the cases of sex crimes, there needs to be castration. I am a left wing party member but we need to let party lines go and tell the ACLU to put up or shut up. I live in a nice area, my husband and I are upstanding citizens who work hard and pay our taxes and there is no reason why our 9 and 5 year old have to be stuck in the house all of the time. We have a registered sex offender across the street and I will not allow them outside without someone there. How sad is that? Sorry for the rant but I have had enough! We need to find out how to make our voices heard. Any ideas cuz I will be the first one to get the ball rolling.

 

[pardilia]

I'm kind of tired of seeing people rag on the dispatcher for saying that the father had a right to see the child. She didn't know the situation. For all she knew, the situation was just the opposite - the father could have been snatching the kid back from a whacko mother. Of course, I'm sure if she knew what she knew now her reaction would have been different.

I wholeheartedly agree, though. I'm so tired of us being far more concerned with foreign affairs then domestic. It's disgusting. These everyday tragedies go relatively unnoticed because we're still counting how many people are getting killed in Iraq when we have no right to be there in the first place. Ugh. We need to get ourselves straightened out first before we go around telling people that our way is the best way.

 

[mysteriew]

Ok, I have a little personal experience here. In Ohio LE looks at custody arrangements and divorce as civil court arrangements. They routinely refer the complaintant to their attorney to take the person being complained about back to court.
They seem to feel the only way they should get involved is if there is a suspicion of violence being involved. Then most of them will accompany a complaining parent as a peacekeeping role, but they will not usually enforce the court order. In other words they would accompany Mom to Dad's address and let Mom demand the child back, but they wouldn't force the issue if Dad says no.
According to the LE here, they investigate and deal with crime issues and as the custody and divorce issues are ordered by a civil court- they are outside of their jurisdiction.
I'm not saying it is right (I think it is wrong) but it is what I have been told.
I would love to see pressure put on Ohio's LE to make them get more involved in divorce, custody issues enforcement as they are such hot button areas prone to violence.

 

[mindi77]

I agree with you Jeana and I am going to step up onto my soap box for a second so just ignore me if you don’t want to hear this. What in the h*ll is going on in this country? When did it become to ok to worry about what other countries are doing instead of what is going on here? We have an epidemic that is only going to get worse and we, as a nation, need to stand up and declare that WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! Parents who could give a cr*p about their kids, parents using the kids to get at the other one, parents who kill their child for one reason or another and the law is so afraid of not being PC that they seem to have more empathy for the offenders than for the parents. A child goes missing, doesn’t matter if they are 2 or 45, they are someone’s child and LE is so afraid of law suits and media that they put their heads in the sand and hid behind hypocritical red tape. GROW A PAIR AND DO WHAT YOU WERE SWORN TO DO… What happened to protect and serve? Did I miss the memo where they changed it to protect and serve the criminal? Sexual predators stalk their prey and there is nothing done about it! Justice, yes you are innocent until proven guilty but once they are guilty they need to take drastic measures. There needs to be laws so tough that once you are convicted you go to jail forever. Not 5 years, not 10, FOREVER. In the cases of sex crimes, there needs to be castration. I am a left wing party member but we need to let party lines go and tell the ACLU to put up or shut up. I live in a nice area, my husband and I are upstanding citizens who work hard and pay our taxes and there is no reason why out 9 and 5 year old have to be stuck in the house all of the time. We have a registered sex offender across the street and I will not allow them outside without someone there. How sad is that? Sorry for the rant but I have had enough! We need to find out how to make our voices heard. Any ideas cuz I will be the first one to get the ball rolling.

Totally agree!!!!!

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

So let's do something! As much as I dislike him, Bill O'Reily is trying to get Jessica's Law passed. I will post the link below, let's put our heads together and do something! We are all caring and smart people and can be very loud if we want to be....


http://billoreilly.com/outragefunnels

 

[meggilyweggily]

I suppose they don't want to be seen publicly admitting fault in case of a possible lawsuit.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Where are y'all getting that he was a special needs child? All I am seeing is that he was fine until after he got out of the coast guard (after serving 7 years) and then he started acting wierd.

I also don't understand where "special needs" came from.. They say the man is mentally ill.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

I'm kind of tired of seeing people rag on the dispatcher for saying that the father had a right to see the child. She didn't know the situation. For all she knew, the situation was just the opposite - the father could have been snatching the kid back from a whacko mother. Of course, I'm sure if she knew what she knew now her reaction would have been different.

I wholeheartedly agree, though. I'm so tired of us being far more concerned with foreign affairs then domestic. It's disgusting. These everyday tragedies go relatively unnoticed because we're still counting how many people are getting killed in Iraq when we have no right to be there in the first place. Ugh. We need to get ourselves straightened out first before we go around telling people that our way is the best way.

the dispatcher should've taken the call seriously... it's not the place of the dispatcher to judge... send out police. if it's a false alarm then it is. better safe than sorry. that's the job of the dispatcher when they get frantic calls like that. the system failed.

and to the other posters who say why is the baby in the son's arms...
i see nothing wrong with that while they are taking groceries from the car into the house... i'm sure they weren't anticipating the father lurking there at that particular moment.

 

[Bobbisangel]

This is just so horrible. That poor mom trying to catch up with him knowing right where he was and then that idoit dispatcher telling her to go home that her husband...ex-husband..had a right to have the baby.

I'm sure the police are proud of themselves because they put out an Amber Alert...6 hours after the fact. Did it really take 6 darn hours to find out the mother was telling the truth. Seems to me that one simple call...telling them the guy had problems and was an addict and a felon should have done the job.

If that alert had gone out even 5 hours earlier or better yet if the dam cops had listened to the mother when she was following that creep the baby would probably still be alive.

I'm just so sick of cops and the Amber Alert. Why do they usually wait until it is to late. Why not take the mother at her word...get the darn alert out there and then if the mother is lying deal with her. Cops are always doing this. Just makes me want to scream.

This reminds me of the dad that took his three little girls when it wasn't his visitation day. The mother made 10 calls to the police department...I believe...went over there..told them where he had the kids and they did nothing because they were with their dad..even though he wasn't supposed to have them. Seems like he took them to a carnival and then he killed all three of those little girls. Revenge on the mother. They could have easily caught him and saved those little girls.

It seems to me that the cops just don't want to be bothered and a good excuse is "he/she or they are with their dad...what's the problem lady?"
It just makes me so angry. It is just plain ignorance.

They need to do something about the Amber Alert. There have to be exceptions to the rule. Everything that happened after he took that baby points to tragedy. He calls the baby satan's daughter!!! He grabs her and runs when he knows he isn't supposed to have her. If the brother had gone with him he too would be dead now.

Did the mother stop following the dad when that ignorant dispatcher told her to stop chasing him and go home? We look to the cops...or used to anyway...
to serve and protect. That poor mom must have been on such an emotional rollercoaster that she didn't know whether to follow her gut feelings or listen to that ignorant dispatcher.

I don't know about anyone else but I believe the cops and that dispatcher should carry some responsibility for this baby's death. That baby was probably already dead by the time they put out the Amber Alert. What a tragedy that didn't have to happen. IMO.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't know I read it on the thread ??


But either way someone documented mentally ill.
That issue needs to be addressed.

Do you have any thoughts you'd like to share on how this could be addressed?
I'd love to hear them and perhaps share a couple of my own ideas.

 

[SewingDeb]

Ok, I have a little personal experience here. In Ohio LE looks at custody arrangements and divorce as civil court arrangements. They routinely refer the complaintant to their attorney to take the person being complained about back to court.
They seem to feel the only way they should get involved is if there is a suspicion of violence being involved. Then most of them will accompany a complaining parent as a peacekeeping role, but they will not usually enforce the court order. In other words they would accompany Mom to Dad's address and let Mom demand the child back, but they wouldn't force the issue if Dad says no.
According to the LE here, they investigate and deal with crime issues and as the custody and divorce issues are ordered by a civil court- they are outside of their jurisdiction.
I'm not saying it is right (I think it is wrong) but it is what I have been told.
I would love to see pressure put on Ohio's LE to make them get more involved in divorce, custody issues enforcement as they are such hot button areas prone to violence.

I hope this little girl's death may show them the way they should go in the future.

 

[SewingDeb]

I agree with you Jeana and I am going to step up onto my soap box for a second so just ignore me if you don’t want to hear this. What in the h*ll is going on in this country? When did it become to ok to worry about what other countries are doing instead of what is going on here? We have an epidemic that is only going to get worse and we, as a nation, need to stand up and declare that WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! Parents who could give a cr*p about their kids, parents using the kids to get at the other one, parents who kill their child for one reason or another and the law is so afraid of not being PC that they seem to have more empathy for the offenders than for the parents. A child goes missing, doesn’t matter if they are 2 or 45, they are someone’s child and LE is so afraid of law suits and media that they put their heads in the sand and hid behind hypocritical red tape. GROW A PAIR AND DO WHAT YOU WERE SWORN TO DO… What happened to protect and serve? Did I miss the memo where they changed it to protect and serve the criminal? Sexual predators stalk their prey and there is nothing done about it! Justice, yes you are innocent until proven guilty but once they are guilty they need to take drastic measures. There needs to be laws so tough that once you are convicted you go to jail forever. Not 5 years, not 10, FOREVER. In the cases of sex crimes, there needs to be castration. I am a left wing party member but we need to let party lines go and tell the ACLU to put up or shut up. I live in a nice area, my husband and I are upstanding citizens who work hard and pay our taxes and there is no reason why out 9 and 5 year old have to be stuck in the house all of the time. We have a registered sex offender across the street and I will not allow them outside without someone there. How sad is that? Sorry for the rant but I have had enough! We need to find out how to make our voices heard. Any ideas cuz I will be the first one to get the ball rolling.

I hear you! Would you mind if I posted your post on another crime forum? I think this message needs to be spread far and wide.