OH - Amish on Amish crime on rise; loss of beards, hair, reported during break-ins

[jjw]

This may be a stupid question, but don't the Amish not like to be photographed? I understand they had to be photographed while being booked but can their attorneys ask the press to not take pics?

I remember after that shooting at the amish school a few years ago, there was no pics of the victims and others in the community refused to be photographed at the time.

Just wondering.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This may be a stupid question, but don't the Amish not like to be photographed? I understand they had to be photographed while being booked but can their attorneys ask the press to not take pics?

I remember after that shooting at the amish school a few years ago, there was no pics of the victims and others in the community refused to be photographed at the time.

Just wondering.

You are correct. They do not like to be photographed.

Even their baby dolls are faceless.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The Amish hold humility as a highly-cherished value and view pride as a threat to community harmony. Because items such as personal photographs can accentuate individuality and call attention to one's self, they are prohibited from the home. Moreover, the Amish believe that photographs in which they can be recognized violate the Biblical commandment, "Thou shalt not make unto thyself a graven image." They want to be remembered by the lives they lived and the examples they left, not by physical appearance.

http://www.padutchcountry.com/towns-and-heritage/amish-country/amish-and-photographs.asp

 

[mysteriew]

Here are the masterminds behind this;

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/21/article-2077032-0F3E9A7700000578-692_468x286.jpg

I was looking at that and thinking that being in that courtroom must be surreal. Think of the usual faces seen in a criminal court. The attitudes, the faces, the style of dress. Then take another look at this pic. Very surreal. Except for the faces. And somehow behind the long beards and odd looking hair, the looks on the faces are not that much different from the gang pics. The same dead eyes, bored faces.

We look at the Muslim extremists and wonder how. But this case is a reminder that extremism is extremism no matter what the religion. Most of us are more familiar with the Amish religion than the Muslim. And we know that the Amish takes peacefulness to the extreme. Yet even in the Amish religion there are extremists that take the religion and pervert it's tenets and values to suit their own purposes. Perhaps it makes it easier to accept that it could be the same even in the Muslim religion.

 

[SuziQ]

Four more Amish women arrested in beard cutting attacks as charges of destroying evidence including photographs, shears and prescription drugs are added

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-prescription-drugs-added.html#ixzz1qVru4kAI

 

[wfgodot]

16 Amish in Ohio reject beard-cutting plea deals (newsok.com)

 

[4Jacy]

What kind of wacko's go around cutting off hair and beards??!!

 

[oh_gal]

I was looking at that and thinking that being in that courtroom must be surreal. Think of the usual faces seen in a criminal court. The attitudes, the faces, the style of dress. Then take another look at this pic. Very surreal. Except for the faces. And somehow behind the long beards and odd looking hair, the looks on the faces are not that much different from the gang pics. The same dead eyes, bored faces.

We look at the Muslim extremists and wonder how. But this case is a reminder that extremism is extremism no matter what the religion. Most of us are more familiar with the Amish religion than the Muslim. And we know that the Amish takes peacefulness to the extreme. Yet even in the Amish religion there are extremists that take the religion and pervert it's tenets and values to suit their own purposes. Perhaps it makes it easier to accept that it could be the same even in the Muslim religion.

Amish people (unless among their own people, at family gatherings, etc.) show very little emotion. It's their culture. I've seen them laughing amongst themselves, and, at times, with a very good friend, who just happened to be non-Amish, but as a general rule, they are very non-expressive when out in public. So what "we" might consider as dead eyes or boredom is a pretty typical look to them when out in public -- I would call it more of a "blank" look on their faces. They're not trying to be rude, I don't think, but they have been conditioned, from birth, to adopt that stoic nature around the rest of the world. Hope this explanation helps.

They also don't believe in PDA, and you will never see them holding hands, kissing or touching a member of the opposite sex unless they are drunk (sorry, but there you have it). Now, what goes on behind closed doors...I don't know, but can imagine. All those kids come from somewhere

 

[mikkismom]

Revealed: The 'sex counseling' sessions when Amish beard cutting cult leader 'bedded his followers' wives'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-beard-cutting-mastermind.html#ixzz23qiuq4vo

 

[wfgodot]

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Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters
Amish sect leader Samuel Mullet Sr. sentenced to 15 years for hair and beard-cutting attacks in Ohio hate crime case #BREAKING

 

[wfgodot]

Ohio Amish beard-cutting ringleader gets 15 years; others also sentenced (AP)

 

[HMSHood]

I was looking at that and thinking that being in that courtroom must be surreal. Think of the usual faces seen in a criminal court. The attitudes, the faces, the style of dress. Then take another look at this pic. Very surreal. Except for the faces. And somehow behind the long beards and odd looking hair, the looks on the faces are not that much different from the gang pics. The same dead eyes, bored faces.

We look at the Muslim extremists and wonder how. But this case is a reminder that extremism is extremism no matter what the religion. Most of us are more familiar with the Amish religion than the Muslim. And we know that the Amish takes peacefulness to the extreme. Yet even in the Amish religion there are extremists that take the religion and pervert it's tenets and values to suit their own purposes. Perhaps it makes it easier to accept that it could be the same even in the Muslim religion.

Very true. Any extreme whatever take it religion or lifestyle is very repressive in nature.

 

[oh_gal]

I was looking at that and thinking that being in that courtroom must be surreal. Think of the usual faces seen in a criminal court. The attitudes, the faces, the style of dress. Then take another look at this pic. Very surreal. Except for the faces. And somehow behind the long beards and odd looking hair, the looks on the faces are not that much different from the gang pics. The same dead eyes, bored faces. We look at the Muslim extremists and wonder how. But this case is a reminder that extremism is extremism no matter what the religion. Most of us are more familiar with the Amish religion than the Muslim. And we know that the Amish takes peacefulness to the extreme. Yet even in the Amish religion there are extremists that take the religion and pervert it's tenets and values to suit their own purposes. Perhaps it makes it easier to accept that it could be the same even in the Muslim religion.

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They are not trying to appear bored or dead. Appearing animated or full of expression is something that they would attribute to a "worldly" person (us). They are taught, from early childhood (infancy, if possible) to not call attention to themselves by either their dress or their manner.

Unless they are talking to one another, it is very rare to see them exhibit any type of emotion on their face, or by their facial expressions.

I know this because I've lived near/among an Amish community for the last 35 years. I've gone to school with Amish kids -- I've even shared a beer with them (in my younger years, of course!).

 

[Paul]

There is a good article here, with a lot of recent photos.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-amish-cut-beards-foes-face-sentencing-article-1.1258799

However, the grandson (age 19) of the convicted ringleader seems to have an attitude problem, he's upset that he's stuck there to do all the farm work himself (with younger kids helping him).

This quote is from the grandson...

As for the victims, he added, “They got their beard back again, so what’s the big deal about it?”

:steamed:

 

[MsFacetious]

The ceremony is typically in late April, but this school year was cut short to allow some youngsters a few more days of family time before their parents leave for federal prison.

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That timing made Tuesday's event the last big gathering before the five depart, and the participants gave The Associated Press a rare glimpse into their largely insular community.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23063882&ni...e-prison-terms-&fm=home_page&s_cid=featured-3

 

[dotr]

Updo, er update.
Oct. 5 2016
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/0...acks-asking-supreme-court-to-review-case.html

FILE - In this Oct. 10, 2011, file photo, Samuel Mullet Sr. stands in front of his home in Bergholz, Ohio. (AP)

COLUMBUS, Ohio – The leader of a breakaway group that was accused in hair- and beard-cutting attacks on fellow Amish is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review the case.

The petition was filed last month on behalf of Samuel Mullet Sr. and two of the 15 followers sentenced in the case. They're challenging the constitutionality of the federal hate crimes law, and how a kidnapping allegation was used to stiffen Mullet's sentence.
The court hears relatively few of the cases brought to it, making the appeal a long shot, but attorneys for the defendants argue it's a one-of-a-kind case with important issues for the justices to consider.

 

[SophieRose]

A new book on the crime, another one was written in 2014.

http://lancasteronline.com/features...cle_0d903614-81ae-11e6-a877-af0c13320e0f.html

Now, with the help of Lancaster writer Shawn Smucker, the 26-year-old Mast has told his searing coming-of-age story in “Breakaway Amish: Growing Up With the Bergholz Beard Cutters.” (Book signings are planned at Shady Maple Farm Market in East Earl and Pequea Valley Public Library in Intercourse on dates to be determined.)