GUILTY OH - Barb Williams for child abuse, Hancock County, 2014

[gitana1]

Please. She was not assisting or accompanying him. This was not a kind and helpful gesture from a caring teacher.

Why is it an issue with a male teacher and girl, and not the other way around?

I 100% agree that she was not there to help him or assist him. Far from it. I've stated that already. I was responding to a post indicating it is against the law or not allowed or totally inappropriate for Kindergartner teachers to ever go into a bathroom with a student for any reason and that the teacher should be charged for doing that alone, on top of other charges.

My response is that it is not a crime, not against the law and most schools allow it. They have to, because kindergartners aren't always fully potty trained and sometimes have accidents. I know. I was a daycare worker for years. I had to sometimes assist even older kids who had a problem in the bathroom. Sometimes a school nurse is not available.

I just like to clear things up so if people are outraged that a teacher is not arrested for the act of taking a kid into the bathroom, they understand that that is not a crime. Hitting is. Threatening would be too. We don;t know what she said to him in there though. Although I;m sure it wasn't good.

As far as why it would be different if it was a man, well, it still isn't criminal and it has happened, but culturally, we have more of an issue with it so I think school officials would tell a male teacher not to do it. Part of that is because most child molesters are male and because women are seen by society as caretakers of children, while men still aren't. I'm not saying that's right, but it is the way our society is.

Put it this way: Your 5 year old kid is trapped somewhere with a group of unrelated people. He or she has an accident, with diarrhea everywhere and can't clean him or herself up. Would you be more comfortable, in general, with a strange older lady assisting him or her or a stranger older man?

Anyhow, I find everything this woman did inappropriate because it was abusive, not because a teacher of the opposite sex should never be in a bathroom with a kid of the opposite sex. Pedophiles don't necessarily discriminate between male and female victims anyhow. And I was exposed to a culture (Southern Europe), where kids go naked on the public beach until age 8, 9 or 10 and no one blinks, so a teacher just in the bathroom with a little kid while the kid uses the toilet is not an issue for me.

Threatening, grabbing, striking, yelling or otherwise abusing the child, is.

 

[human]

As a retired teacher, believe me. I did not like going into the bathroom with kids . I would usually ask a male passing in the hall to go into the bathroom and shag them out. This could be an older boy like 11 years old.

Here is what little boys do in the bathroom.

Of course, they pee all over.

They pee on each other.

They throw massive quantaties of toilet paper into the toilet.

The worst one happened to another classroom teacher. One of the boys was eating the disinfectant cake that was in the urinal.

I have had children have diarrhea that covered them from head to toe. Those require a shower. Some children like to smear feces on the bathroom walls.

I can't remember anything else right now

 

[Sonya610]

It is quite alarming to most people that anyone would think it's okay for a "very angry teacher" to "grab a child by their shirt collar and get in their face." Holy hell. When a teacher is "very angry" they should step away.

I absolutely agree. Anger should NEVER be mixed with physical discipline of any sort most especially with a weaker individual (human or animal).

I can see the need for a teacher to lay hands on a kid that was being violent/physically threatening but even then anger should not play a part in it and it should NOT be an ongoing thing.

The teacher apparently lost control of the situation and her emotions and the fact she didn't even realize she was out of bounds is very scary indeed.

 

[blue22]

As a retired teacher, believe me. I did not like going into the bathroom with kids . I would usually ask a male passing in the hall to go into the bathroom and shag them out. This could be an older boy like 11 years old.

Here is what little boys do in the bathroom.

Of course, they pee all over.

They pee on each other.

They throw massive quantaties of toilet paper into the toilet.

The worst one happened to another classroom teacher. One of the boys was eating the disinfectant cake that was in the urinal.

I have had children have diarrhea that covered them from head to toe. Those require a shower. Some children like to smear feces on the bathroom walls.

I can't remember anything else right now

With respect to your experiences, I'm assuming you never followed a boy in the restroom directly after you assaulted him in the hallway.

She did not go in there to make sure he didn't pee on the seat

 

[human]

With respect to your experiences, I'm assuming you never followed a boy in the restroom directly after you assaulted him in the hallway.

She did not go in there to make sure he didn't pee on the seat

Seat peeing. Never thought of that. Peeing on other children to me would be the worst. Custodial staff can be called to clean up the physical areas, but peeing on another child is upsetting.

With killing diseases because of bodily fluids and more and more parents using needles, teachers are concerned about the safety of children.

I was responding to the issue that teachers should NEVER go into the bathroom.

I allowed two children to go in at a time and hoped for reporting if a child was doing something inappropriate. Eating a disinfecting cake certainly would be of concern. Kids think of the strangest things to do.

I bet most people who have children would not appreciate another child peeing on their child. I bet a parent would be on the phone faster than the speed of light if a child did that to his/her child.

 

[screecher]

On the face of it, it doesn't seem fair - but in fact, the likelihood of a female k teacher sexually assaulting a 6 year old boy is so very far down in the stats compared to a man sexually assaulting a 6 year old girl OR boy.

Although there seem to have been a disturbing rash of young good looking female teachers having affairs with high school boys, it's so exceptionally rare for a woman to sexually assault a small child that it doesn't appear on the radar screen as a danger that needs to be addressed.

BBM

Remove the word "sexually" from that sentence...Barbara Williams DID take him in the bathroom, continuing her assault on him. IMO.

 

[screecher]

You were the one who said it was inappropriate and against school rules for a K teacher (not specifically this one, a K teacher in general) to go into the bathroom with a kindergartner.

I'm done too. It in fact, isn't inappropriate for a K teacher to go into a bathroom with a K student.

BBM

It was more than 'inappropriate' for THIS teacher, Barbara Williams, to drag THIS kindergartener in the bathroom after just assaulting him. There's NO getting around that.

 

[screecher]

My 'gut feeling' has always been Barbara Williams has assaulted before...

http://www.13abc.com/story/25792712/2nd-family-claims-child-abused-by-riverdale-teacher

and this...

http://www.toledoblade.com/Education/2014/06/16/Hancock-county-teacher-targeted-again.html

 

[JeannaT]

I don't understand the picture. The boy has a picture of Ms. Williams, making the shh sound with her finger to her lips, and the text saying there are times he's not to talk out loud.

Umm. I don't get it. This is their evidence of abuse?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't understand the picture. The boy has a picture of Ms. Williams, making the shh sound with her finger to her lips, and the text saying there are times he's not to talk out loud.

Umm. I don't get it. This is their evidence of abuse?

The picture is not the proof. It just shows her shushing him. I think this woman is a monster so I hope all the kids she abused come out of the woodwork. She should be prosecuted on as much as they can get her on.

 

[JeannaT]

The picture is not the proof. It just shows her shushing him. I think this woman is a monster so I hope all the kids she abused come out of the woodwork. She should be prosecuted on as much as they can get her on.

If I had a picture of a teacher shushing my child, with her finger to her lips and text that says sometimes we don't speak out loud, I wouldn't enter it into an investigation into abuse.

To me, it would be evidence of a patient caring teacher who tries different methods to get appropriate classroom behavior.

Children who disrupt class get shushed. I know, I was one of them. ;D

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If I had a picture of a teacher shushing my child, with her finger to her lips and text that says sometimes we don't speak out loud, I wouldn't enter it into an investigation into abuse.

To me, it would be evidence of a patient caring teacher who tries different methods to get appropriate classroom behavior.

Children who disrupt class get shushed. I know, I was one of them. ;D

If she was abusive to the child and told him he was not allowed to speak than yes it is pertinent. It is not the whole case.

Teachers like this one also are abusive and try it stifle children from speaking at all. I have no trouble after seeing the video that this woman was abusive to many kids and part of that was wanting them to be silent and out of her way.

 

[blue22]

If she was abusive to the child and told him he was not allowed to speak than yes it is pertinent. It is not the whole case.

Teachers like this one also are abusive and try it stifle children from speaking at all. I have no trouble after seeing the video that this woman was abusive to many kids and part of that was wanting them to be silent and out of her way.

I agree. It also REALLY bothers me that people assume the boy was disruptive.

I was a really good kid and never caused problems. I had a teacher that was really mean to me. As an adult, I know that it was because she knew I wouldn't tell. That's how abusers work. They know how to pick the correct kids. I think she lost it and forgot about the cameras (or did not know they recorded in that spot.) I'm sure she knew he wouldn't say anything.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What worries me more is that she was not on camera more. I bet this woman has been doing this for years.

It was a kindergartner. If they get you that upset you should not be teaching.

 

[Hejlena]

If she was abusive to the child and told him he was not allowed to speak than yes it is pertinent. It is not the whole case.

Teachers like this one also are abusive and try it stifle children from speaking at all. I have no trouble after seeing the video that this woman was abusive to many kids and part of that was wanting them to be silent and out of her way.

I am of the opinion that this woman has abused in the past and will continue to do so given the chance.

That said, the picture of her with her fingers to her lips is simply IMO a visual aide. We use them a lot in speciL education-some kids process visually a lot more effectively than auditorily. Most of these little signs we use are premade black and whites with sparse text, but I can remember at least one where we used the teacher's school yearbook photo with a symbol that said "look" as a cue to watch the teacher to follow what was being taught.

Now, these visual symbols can be misused and abused like everything else, I just wanted to point out they are entirely appropriate when used correctly.

 

[Hejlena]

I also just want to point out, as a general aside but very much related to this case, IMO, that despite the efforts to mainstream special education students, even in the most attentive schools, we are still very much isolated from the rest of the population-still stuck in the basement in a sense. People just don't see us.

The aides in my district are barely trained beyond CPR and first aide, and many come in with an idea that they are mini correctional officers. It's a power thing for some.

I worked with an aide all of this year who began falling asleep sitting up in class. An autism class. With runners. And fighters. And I'm talking about every day. I spoke to her privately. I spoke to my teacher. I reported her to the principal, as did others.

My straw broke one day when she was sitting next to a seven year old who is severely autistic and has some pretty challenging disruptive behaviors. He was doing a puzzle and she was falling asleep. The puzzle was finished. He was quiet. Waiting for something else to do. And every time he moved a muscle she would start awake, show him the "quiet" visual, and say, "settle down." Then she would nod off again. This culminated in her starting awake and saying, "so and so, if you don't calm down I'm going to give you a time out".

Needless to say she was reported. Unfortunately she is still with us, but I can guarantee with this principal she is on thin ice.

My whole long-winded point of this tho, is this crappy behavior on the part of adults doesn't get caught as easily in our special-ed neck of the woods. Our kids are not always verbal and when they are, they either don't tell or they do tell and many don't believe them because, well, the kid has behavior issues.

I find myself leaning toward agreeing with the cameras-in-the-classroom proponents. And for our nonverbal kids? I'm already there.

 

[screecher]

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/06/12/teacher-says-she-didnt-push-student.html

She enters a written 'not guilty' instead of appearing at an arraignment. :floorlaugh:

 

[screecher]

I also just want to point out, as a general aside but very much related to this case, IMO, that despite the efforts to mainstream special education students, even in the most attentive schools, we are still very much isolated from the rest of the population-still stuck in the basement in a sense. People just don't see us.

The aides in my district are barely trained beyond CPR and first aide, and many come in with an idea that they are mini correctional officers. It's a power thing for some.

I worked with an aide all of this year who began falling asleep sitting up in class. An autism class. With runners. And fighters. And I'm talking about every day. I spoke to her privately. I spoke to my teacher. I reported her to the principal, as did others.

My straw broke one day when she was sitting next to a seven year old who is severely autistic and has some pretty challenging disruptive behaviors. He was doing a puzzle and she was falling asleep. The puzzle was finished. He was quiet. Waiting for something else to do. And every time he moved a muscle she would start awake, show him the "quiet" visual, and say, "settle down." Then she would nod off again. This culminated in her starting awake and saying, "so and so, if you don't calm down I'm going to give you a time out".

Needless to say she was reported. Unfortunately she is still with us, but I can guarantee with this principal she is on thin ice.

My whole long-winded point of this tho, is this crappy behavior on the part of adults doesn't get caught as easily in our special-ed neck of the woods. Our kids are not always verbal and when they are, they either don't tell or they do tell and many don't believe them because, well, the kid has behavior issues.

I find myself leaning toward agreeing with the cameras-in-the-classroom proponents. And for our nonverbal kids? I'm already there.

BBM

First bold, I so agree with the power thing. It's really pathetic. It speaks more to the adult than to the student and the student's 'behavior' or 'handicap', 'special needs'.

Second bold, I wonder how many complaints this principal needs to receive about this aide? More importantly, has this aide been 'counseled'? And most importantly, this principal, IMO, needs to be held accountable.

Those kids are fortunate to have you.

 

[screecher]

I don't understand the picture. The boy has a picture of Ms. Williams, making the shh sound with her finger to her lips, and the text saying there are times he's not to talk out loud.

Umm. I don't get it. This is their evidence of abuse?

Umm. Perhaps you didn't read the second link?

"April and Bryce Blanton filed a report on Saturday with the sheriff's department claiming their 8-year-old son was physically abused in Riverdale Elementary School by Ms. Williams during the 2011-2012 school year, said Dan Margolis, a Cleveland attorney."

"... the Blantons took their son to a pediatric neurtologist to whom the boy disclosed that he had been physically abused,...."


Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Educatio...acher-targeted-again.html#LurqFu7jhTQJZiQI.99

 

[Hejlena]

BBM

First bold, I so agree with the power thing. It's really pathetic. It speaks more to the adult than to the student and the student's 'behavior' or 'handicap', 'special needs'.

Second bold, I wonder how many complaints this principal needs to receive about this aide? More importantly, has this aide been 'counseled'? And most importantly, this principal, IMO, needs to be held accountable.

Those kids are fortunate to have you.

You're right, and of course I don't know what happened personnel-wise. I would guess that there is a paper trail began.

Thank you for your compliment.