GUILTY OH - Barb Williams for child abuse, Hancock County, 2014

[pistolina]

I will admit I too have one of those problem children that her teacher considers disruptive to the class and one of the main things she does is goes to the bathroom without permission. I have talked to her a thousand times about it and explained to her the danger she puts herself in but she doesn’t care. And why? Because twice in Kindergarten she asked to go the bathroom during recess and was told no and then she peed her pants on the playground and in the school office. Now this year she is having a lot of stomach issues and has diarrhea all the time. (which I have spoken to her teacher about numerous times) She is terrified that if she asks, she will be told no, so she goes without permission or in an emergency situation she doesn’t have time to ask. In her mind, it is better to get into trouble than to poop on herself in front of her friends. It happened again last week when she stopped in the bathroom after she got off the bus but before she went to her classroom – she walked into class and her teacher started screaming at her in front of the whole class & then for punishment she was forced to do worksheets in the hall while the other kids watched the movie Frozen. Then I get this snarky note sent home from the teacher to again talk to her because she argued with her teacher on whether or not she was actually using the bathroom or playing around in there. Well, the teacher didn’t care for my note back, which explained to her that managing the classroom was her responsibility and I was done trying to mend the relationship between her and my child. Because of her (the teacher) I am fighting with my child to go to school EVERYDAY!!!! In my daughter’s words, “her teacher doesn’t listen to her, her teacher doesn’t care about her, & she gets into trouble for just standing next to someone” (which is no exaggeration – she is not allowed to talk to her best friend or be anywhere near her during class – and the teacher made the point of telling me in the note that she would make sure my daughter and her best friend are separated in 2nd grade) My child makes almost daily trips to the nurse because in her words, “at the nurse’s office they have to care about you and they make you feel loved”. How bad is the classroom that she has to go to the nurse’s office to feel cared about? Trust me, I know my child isn’t perfect but neither is her teacher. And being a teacher does not give you a pass to be a bully or abusive.

 

[Knitty]

Could somebody please give me the link to where it talks about the child's defiance, wandering and bathroom habits occurring since last November? I've seen where the father asked for the child to be moved to another class, but nothing about why.

TYA

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

He did defiantly pee his pants, many times, and no one broke his limbs. I just hope next year goes better for him, and he's able to adjust to the structure of public school.

I don't know if you were here for the Kyron Horman missing persons case, but let me tell you, posters climbed up the spine of school teachers and administrators for not knowing where Kyron was once he entered the school.

I don't know how many dealings you've had with public school, but it is REALLY a big deal if a child chronically goes missing and the teacher responsible at the time has missed that the child has wandered off and has to be found again.

So what. So what if he peed everyday?! Some kids have issues and that peeing is just a sign of either something medical or immature in them. It does not at all give a teacher the right to assault him.

IT does not make a difference what the child was doing. SHE IS TO BE IN CONTROL AT ALL TIMES when dealing with kids.

This is ALLLLLLLLL her.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Well, I hope this case stays in the news so we can find out what happens further - whether the sheriff agrees to file charges and if so, what becomes of that.

She looks like she may be old enough to retire with benefits. Maybe that's what should be allowed to happen.

I do have a bit of a concern for this generation of children, if that incident viewed on camera is considered enough to scar him permanently. This is going down a bit of a rabbit trail, I know, and not related specifically to this case where we have so few details, but are we wrapping our children in cotton wool and then expecting them to be able to cope with adversity later in life with zero experience with it? I'm gravely concerned about the number of children who commit suicide in our culture - I believe we FAR outweigh other cultures in suicide rate - and is it because our children have had absolutely no training in "getting over it"?

Maybe I'm older than most in this thread. I'm 54. When I was a kid, if you openly defied a kinder teacher and walked out of your computer class to go wander the halls and had to be tracked down when the teacher was able to make time to track you down, and this had been happening since November as well as willfull urinating accidents in the classroom, THIS scene is what you would expect. An angry teacher to snatch you up by your collar and yell in your face. And likely you'd face much, much worse at home for this.

"The greatest generation" of Americans - those who fought in WWII and then went on to create changes and improvements the likes of which no other generation has been able to accomplish - certainly raised their kids with this treatment if they were as difficult as Ian appears to be in some of the newer articles.

I'm sorry. I'm in the 'get over it' camp when kids can. This kid didn't even mention it to his parents. He's got more flexibility than his mother and dad, and in my opinion, they should rethink how to get him to stop behaving this way in school.

She should lose her job and her benefits.

You need some education if you think this is okay.

 

[screecher]

Alrighty. So we have here a kindergartener who supposedly the teacher had issues with (I say teacher because she's the professional, and no doubt in my mind, this little boy wasn't her first student who wasn't 'compliant') since at least November. As an educator, the onus is on HER to create and foster an environment where the children feel safe, the children develop a love of learning, and a respect for fellow students and teachers. The onus is on the teacher to engage and teach to the student in a manner which the student will learn. IMO.

I'm appalled a few here are treating the victim as the provocateur and the assaulter as a victim. Lest not forget the teacher has around 150lbs and about 4 feet over the victim...oh, and years and more years of education on him.

IMO, she has issues, and they're not coming from the kids.

I'm hoping she gets fired, losing her pension and health benefits and get charged and convicted of assault.

 

[Knitty]

Alrighty. So we have here a kindergartener who supposedly the teacher had issues with (I say teacher because she's the professional, and no doubt in my mind, this little boy wasn't her first student who wasn't 'compliant') since at least November. As an educator, the onus is on HER to create and foster an environment where the children feel safe, the children develop a love of learning, and a respect for fellow students and teachers. The onus is on the teacher to engage and teach to the student in a manner which the student will learn. IMO.

I'm appalled a few here are treating the victim as the provocateur and the assaulter as a victim. Lest not forget the teacher has around 150lbs and about 4 feet over the victim...oh, and years and more years of education on him.

IMO, she has issues, and they're not coming from the kids.

I'm hoping she gets fired, losing her pension and health benefits and get charged and convicted of assault.

I absolutely agree with this. Blame the 5 year old. Jeez.

 

[LadyL]

These evil, defiant six year olds wandering out of their classrooms to use the wrong bathroom. Good thing he didn't "defiantly" pee his pants or the poor embattled woman might have had to break one of his limbs.

:clap:

:gthanks:

 

[MyBelle]

I will admit I too have one of those problem children that her teacher considers disruptive to the class and one of the main things she does is goes to the bathroom without permission. I have talked to her a thousand times about it and explained to her the danger she puts herself in but she doesn’t care. And why? Because twice in Kindergarten she asked to go the bathroom during recess and was told no and then she peed her pants on the playground and in the school office. Now this year she is having a lot of stomach issues and has diarrhea all the time. (which I have spoken to her teacher about numerous times) She is terrified that if she asks, she will be told no, so she goes without permission or in an emergency situation she doesn’t have time to ask. In her mind, it is better to get into trouble than to poop on herself in front of her friends. It happened again last week when she stopped in the bathroom after she got off the bus but before she went to her classroom – she walked into class and her teacher started screaming at her in front of the whole class & then for punishment she was forced to do worksheets in the hall while the other kids watched the movie Frozen. Then I get this snarky note sent home from the teacher to again talk to her because she argued with her teacher on whether or not she was actually using the bathroom or playing around in there. Well, the teacher didn’t care for my note back, which explained to her that managing the classroom was her responsibility and I was done trying to mend the relationship between her and my child. Because of her (the teacher) I am fighting with my child to go to school EVERYDAY!!!! In my daughter’s words, “her teacher doesn’t listen to her, her teacher doesn’t care about her, & she gets into trouble for just standing next to someone” (which is no exaggeration – she is not allowed to talk to her best friend or be anywhere near her during class – and the teacher made the point of telling me in the note that she would make sure my daughter and her best friend are separated in 2nd grade) My child makes almost daily trips to the nurse because in her words, “at the nurse’s office they have to care about you and they make you feel loved”. How bad is the classroom that she has to go to the nurse’s office to feel cared about? Trust me, I know my child isn’t perfect but neither is her teacher. And being a teacher does not give you a pass to be a bully or abusive.

If I were in your shoes, (actually, I have been) I'd take my daughter to the pediatrician and discuss "over active bladder." Explain the stress your daughter is having at school. Have Dr. write a note to the principal requesting the teacher and nurse work together to ensure your daughter be allowed frequent bathroom breaks so that she won't have embarrassing accidents. Keep a photocopy of the pediatrician's note.

That should solve your daughter's stressful problem with the teacher unless she is the type who likes to bully little kids and provoke their mothers.

If the situation doesn't improve, write another note to the principal and send it along with a copy of the pediatrician's note to the Superintendent's office. Don't call. Put it in writing.

JMO

 

[zippitydoda]

"I will rip you apart" This "highly recommended" teacher allegedly said this to six year old Ian.

http://www.[link removed]/1253385/teacher-slams-student-into-wall/

“As you know,” Hoffman wrote, “your responsibilities as a professional educator do not include yelling, ‘I am sick of you,’ ‘I am sick of your parents,’ and ‘I will rip you apart’ to a kindergarten student.”

 

[LadyL]

Could somebody please give me the link to where it talks about the child's defiance, wandering and bathroom habits occurring since last November? I've seen where the father asked for the child to be moved to another class, but nothing about why.

TYA

I haven't seen that information anywhere. This link provides the only info I've seen relevant to his 'wandering', which happened when he poked his head in the staffroom prior to going to the bathroom.

http://www.walb.com/slideshow?widgetid=114156

 

[Knitty]

I haven't seen that information anywhere. This link provides the only info I've seen relevant to his 'wandering', which happened when he poked his head in the staffroom prior to going to the bathroom.

http://www.walb.com/slideshow?widgetid=114156

Thank you, I hadn't seen that. Or anything else, though I see some talking about him being defiant and peeing in the classroom.

Not that he should be assaulted if he DID do those things.

 

[blue22]

Thank you, I hadn't seen that. Or anything else, though I see some talking about him being defiant and peeing in the classroom.

Not that he should be assaulted if he DID do those things.

I have also not read any articles about him peeing and being defiant. I am honestly not sure where that came from.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I have also not read any articles about him peeing and being defiant. I am honestly not sure where that came from.

I don't care if he was peeing or defecating in class. He is a kindergartener. It is up to the adult to remain calm and be helpful not harmful. This woman should not ever be around kids. People are who they are in secret. They can pretend in the public.. In secret, or what they think is secret they let it all out.

 

[blue22]

I don't care if he was peeing or defecating in class. He is a kindergartener. It is up to the adult to remain calm and be helpful not harmful. This woman should not ever be around kids. People are who they are in secret. They can pretend in the public.. In secret, or what they think is secret they let it all out.

Oh, I totally agree. She should be fired and never allowed to teach supervise children EVER.

I'm just curious where the stories about his behavior came from. I can't find anything about it. Not that it matters, of course...he is a child, it's HER behavior that people should worry about.

 

[LaLaw2000]

"I will rip you apart" This "highly recommended" teacher allegedly said this to six year old Ian.

http://www.[link removed]/1253385/teacher-slams-student-into-wall/

“As you know,” Hoffman wrote, “your responsibilities as a professional educator do not include yelling, ‘I am sick of you,’ ‘I am sick of your parents,’ and ‘I will rip you apart’ to a kindergarten student.”

OMG!

This is worse than I thought! What is the delay in arresting this woman?

 

[LyndyLoo]

Ive been watching this video of a youngster going to the bathroom all day...Listened to TH and reading poster comments..This child did NOT appear to be in any difficuty going to the bathromm ala..Having any accidental leakage or the other....He came out of that same bathroom..got met with this very angry teacher..appeared he was on his way back to class....I do find it inappropriate toatack this child..manhandle him..obviously lecturing him meanwhile pulling shirt and HE did appear scared of her...Creating FEAR is a whole different story compared to creating respect :seeya:

Have no inside info..But it appears this teacher held some sort of anger pent up towards this child for some unknown reasons...But as to control..I think that wee child exhibited far more self control than this supposed seasoned teacher...:facepalm:

Having said all that..What I do disagree with is the family doing an interview this morning with same child on daddys lap..NOT good IMO..This child didnt have to see mother upset..crying whatsoever..He really doesnt understand it all..His little mind doesnt comprehend.....I say..Bad on the Media outlet or even alowwing that..take the child elsewhere..away from such crap...It makes me very angry really..:facepalm:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Ive been watching this video of a youngster going to the bathroom all day...Listened to TH and reading poster comments..This child did NOT appear to be in any difficuty going to the bathromm ala..Having any accidental leakage or the other....He came out of that same bathroom..got met with this very angry teacher..appeared he was on his way back to class....I do find it inappropriate toatack this child..manhandle him..obviously lecturing him meanwhile pulling shirt and HE did appear scared of her...Creating FEAR is a whole different story compared to creating respect :seeya:

Have no inside info..But it appears this teacher held some sort of anger pent up towards this child for some unknown reasons...But as to control..I think that wee child exhibited far more self control than this supposed seasoned teacher...:facepalm:

Having said all that..What I do disagree with is the family doing an interview this morning with same child on daddys lap..NOT good IMO..This child didnt have to see mother upset..crying whatsoever..He really doesnt understand it all..His little mind doesnt comprehend.....I say..Bad on the Media outlet or even alowwing that..take the child elsewhere..away from such crap...It makes me very angry really..:facepalm:

I think it shows the child that his parents are sticking up for him. And that is important. I think it shows that his momma is hurt that this happened to him and that his parents are not going to let anyone treat him like this and get away with it.

 

[LyndyLoo]

I think it shows the child that his parents are sticking up for him. And that is important. I think it shows that his momma is hurt that this happened to him and that his parents are not going to let anyone treat him like this and get away with it.

I agree with the notion this young 6 year old needs to feel supported..But having some understanding of "Child psychology"..Parental support is a private, controlled situations..

I watched this young boy watching his mom cry and go on and on..He was obviously concerned for his mommy..He's on his Daddy's lap who had to constantly reassure him throughout that interview. I have no doubt this child feels loved..supported and where I disagree is that to expose this child to such a media circus...

Guess I dealt with too many traumatized kids in my career...:truce:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I agree with the notion this young 6 year old needs to feel supported..But having some understanding of "Child psychology"..Parental support is a private, controlled situations..

I watched this young boy watching his mom cry and go on and on..He was obviously concerned for his mommy..He's on his Daddy's lap who had to constantly reassure him throughout that interview. I have no doubt this child feels loved..supported and where I disagree is that to expose this child to such a media circus...

Guess I dealt with too many traumatized kids in my career...:truce:

I think it is okay for kids to see their parents sad. I don't have an issue with it. I don't know that I would parade him all over to tell this story again and again, But I don't have an issue with him seeing his parents upset over it.

If it were me, I would have probably would not have had him on TV. I would have kept him off limits.

But again, the focus here is the woman who assaulted him. Not him and his parents.

 

[JeannaT]

Ive been watching this video of a youngster going to the bathroom all day...Listened to TH and reading poster comments..This child did NOT appear to be in any difficuty going to the bathromm ala..Having any accidental leakage or the other....He came out of that same bathroom..got met with this very angry teacher..appeared he was on his way back to class....I do find it inappropriate toatack this child..manhandle him..obviously lecturing him meanwhile pulling shirt and HE did appear scared of her...Creating FEAR is a whole different story compared to creating respect :seeya:

Have no inside info..But it appears this teacher held some sort of anger pent up towards this child for some unknown reasons...But as to control..I think that wee child exhibited far more self control than this supposed seasoned teacher...:facepalm:

Having said all that..What I do disagree with is the family doing an interview this morning with same child on daddys lap..NOT good IMO..This child didnt have to see mother upset..crying whatsoever..He really doesnt understand it all..His little mind doesnt comprehend.....I say..Bad on the Media outlet or even alowwing that..take the child elsewhere..away from such crap...It makes me very angry really..:facepalm:

I had that same thought, too. When this boy is 16 years old, that video is still going to be out there and easily accessible. The sheriff was working with this family, and making progress. Why go on national TV with this child's image and story? I can't think that this boy will be happy to have this video of this situation out there on social media ad infinitum. And whatever comes after this, discussion of what his difficulties were with the teacher, his behaviors, his mother crying and calling his teacher a "complete stranger" and putting him on the Today show to recreate the scene. REALLY???? I had three boys and there is no way I would have subjected them to the media spotlight that would follow them until they're 50. This kind of parading a child out in the media NEVER works for anyone except media ad sales. It works for the media. It's a train wreck for everyone else.

edited to add: I think it's good for kids to see their parents cry occasionally. Makes a huge impact. My dad cried when his mother died, my mom cried when her parents died, and my mom also cried when JFK was shot. Those are poignant moments in my life and I remember and fully respect them. This sweet boy seems to look at his mom with some surprise when she's crying about this - he kind of tries to recreate it but appears to not really be able to remember or recreate the whole scene, and then he looks at his mother and she's sitting there crying.

I'm sorry to be so harsh about this, but really. This child seems to be fully willing to continue on as normal, can we let him move on? Can we let the sheriff office do their job and let this kid get out of the ravenous media spotlight? I sense if he weren't such a beautiful child, he wouldn't be thrust into the media spotlight so quickly for their profit.