OH OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #2

[dotr]

This missing person case is unrelated to Brian, but came across this photo of an mp from Canada, who, imo looks very similar to Brian.
Am i imagining that, could it be relevant in some way? speculation.
http://www.missingadults.ca/viewMAcase.php?case=ON-MM-1984-10-01448#moreImages

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05 October 1984

Edmonton, Alberta

25 years

178 cm (5'10")

74 kg (163 lbs)

Brown

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On October 5th, 1984, Gregory was honourably discharged from the army at C.F.B. Wainwright in Alberta. He told people that he was going to British Columbia to drive a taxi.

 

[Alleykins]

No, it's not your imagination. I found a few male MP's that went missing about that time resemble Brian.

 

[ekardh]

Brian left the bar via the construction elevator, possibly intoxicated, fell to his death and got cemented over.

That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

 

[Satch]

Brian left the bar via the construction elevator, possibly intoxicated, fell to his death and got cemented over.

That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

Greetings,

Where was this construction elevator in relation to the bar? Where was Brian last seen in relation to this elevator? What else is known about the elevator?

Satch

 

[snowleopard]

Hi Satch, I think the elevator may be mentioned in this article, it's a good interview with Brian's dad anyway. >>>http://missingpiecesshow.homestead.com/MissingPiecesEpisode64Archive.html >> This is a good one too >>http://www.magcloud.com/webviewer/900141?__r=563315&s=w.

 

[Jbrown324320]

I wonder if Brian fell victim to this scheme:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...go-area-students-abducted-20160106-story.html

 

[Jbrown324320]

the women talked with college aged men, convinced them to go to an off campus party. then they were kidnapped and tortured
http://13wham.com/news/top-stories/2nd-suspect-in-u-of-r-abduction-case-pleads-guilty

 

[dotr]

the women talked with college aged men, convinced them to go to an off campus party. then they were kidnapped and tortured
http://13wham.com/news/top-stories/2nd-suspect-in-u-of-r-abduction-case-pleads-guilty

Had posted about that somewhere, but now cannot recall where, there are many missing young, talented students- and probably just as many envious, violent people who get a kick out of, and feel socially justified, dragging those beloved young people down.
imo, speculation.

 

[Jbrown324320]

dotr. these people were drug sellers from the Rochester NY area to kidnap naïve people for cash, but I can see this scheme catching on across the country. Brian was talking with a few women before entering the bar.

 

[snowleopard]

dotr. these people were drug sellers from the Rochester NY area to kidnap naïve people for cash, but I can see this scheme catching on across the country. Brian was talking with a few women before entering the bar.

I'm pretty sure the women with Brian were identified, interviewed, and 'cleared' by the police ( not including the 2 'friends').

 

[Brainy]

Wow... this story is just crazy. It is more interesting because it sounds like Brian vanished from a very crowded area, no surveillance video indicating that he left the bar and no one remembers seeing him? Very, very odd. From what I have read, it just sounds like it was just another day... nothing unusual or out of sorts happening, then boom... he is never heard of or seen again. How absolutely bizarre is that!

I have read some theories too, that he could have left the bar dressed as a woman. Why would he do that? What reason(s) we have to believe that he would do that?
If Brian was killed at the bar, how would people at the bar get rid of his body? There are still surveillance cameras in the bar and right outside of it. If this ever happened, the bar wasn't in a desert. Somebody must have seen something.
Did he just leave the bar undetected? How would that be possible if no camera in and around the bar indicated that such thing happened? Ok, let's say he left the bar. Why would he leave the bar without letting his friends know? a) He wanted to start a new life so he just vanished... but none of his belongings... credit cards, phone, car were disturbed/used after he disappeared. Plus, you've got to be one really cruel person to disappear this way no matter what your reasons are. You've got to have no heart to leave your loved ones
wondering what happened to you. b) Ok, he left the bar. Let's say he got into a fight and got killed and the killer got rid of the body. Well, this one sounds plausible, but did Brian have enemies?

 

[Brainy]

Brian left the bar via the construction elevator, possibly intoxicated, fell to his death and got cemented over.

That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

how does it make sense? Let's say he fell from the elevator... the police was looking for him the next day and they did search the bar and the surrounding area...

do you know that a decomposing body has a very distinct smell? a body is not a needle to just disappear. Imagine the constructing continuing... the workers have to come back, prepare and turn on their equipment, check the area...

 

[dotr]

Wow... this story is just crazy. It is more interesting because it sounds like Brian vanished from a very crowded area, no surveillance video indicating that he left the bar and no one remembers seeing him? Very, very odd. From what I have read, it just sounds like it was just another day... nothing unusual or out of sorts happening, then boom... he is never heard of or seen again. How absolutely bizarre is that!

I have read some theories too, that he could have left the bar dressed as a woman. Why would he do that? What reason(s) we have to believe that he would do that?
If Brian was killed at the bar, how would people at the bar get rid of his body? There are still surveillance cameras in the bar and right outside of it. If this ever happened, the bar wasn't in a desert. Somebody must have seen something.
Did he just leave the bar undetected? How would that be possible if no camera in and around the bar indicated that such thing happened? Ok, let's say he left the bar. Why would he leave the bar without letting his friends know? a) He wanted to start a new life so he just vanished... but none of his belongings... credit cards, phone, car were disturbed/used after he disappeared. Plus, you've got to be one really cruel person to disappear this way no matter what your reasons are. You've got to have no heart to leave your loved ones
wondering what happened to you. b) Ok, he left the bar. Let's say he got into a fight and got killed and the killer got rid of the body. Well, this one sounds plausible, but did Brian have enemies?

Rbbm.
Not saying that it is even likely that Brian left the bar dressed as a female, but, if he did- the reason he might do that is so nobody would know he did that.
Let's say he went into the bathroom where he had stashed, or changed into female clothing under his clothes, added makeup, or whatever and maybe slips off to a bar or other place where he might feel comfortable" transitioned" that way.
Maybe he planned to return to the Tuna and switch back to" Brian", maybe something or someone stopped that process.
Years ago, a (attractive and feminine) female i knew just to nod at in the street, had mentioned her beloved father had died, some months after that, the same person had cut her hair and began dressing " like a man".( an old man).
She then moved away, i wondered if dressing like that helped her feel closer to her father and to cope with his death, or if she finally felt free to embrace a different aspect of herself?
Anyway, not to say that Brian did that, or anything like that, but- this is how and why he might.

imo, speculation.

 

[Picachu]

*Sorry, did an accidental double post.*

 

[Picachu]

Rbbm.
Not saying that it is even likely that Brian left the bar dressed as a female, but, if he did- the reason he might do that is so nobody would know he did that.
Let's say he went into the bathroom where he had stashed, or changed into female clothing under his clothes, added makeup, or whatever and maybe slips off to a bar or other place where he might feel comfortable" transitioned" that way.
Maybe he planned to return to the Tuna and switch back to" Brian", maybe something or someone stopped that process.
Years ago, a (attractive and feminine) female i knew just to nod at in the street, had mentioned her beloved father had died, some months after that, the same person had cut her hair and began dressing " like a man".( an old man).
She then moved away, i wondered if dressing like that helped her feel closer to her father and to cope with his death, or if she finally felt free to embrace a different aspect of herself?
Anyway, not to say that Brian did that, or anything like that, but- this is how and why he might.

imo, speculation.

I have actually touched on that scenario too, whether he could potentially have left disguised as a woman and if that was because no one saw (noticed) him leave. However I am very sceptical that had been possible, given his facial features are very male and would have made him very noticeable. I believe that he had not been able to "pass", so to speak, and that people at the bar, when later questioned, would have suddenly had this recollection popping up in their heads and went; "Oh wait, yeah there was this tall guy dressed as a woman sneaking out".

But as I said, I otherwise pondered the very same possibility. Just no longer feels it had been something he had been able to pull off.

I know however that those doing the investigation of the footage stated that Brian could potentially have put on a hat and kept his head down when leaving the place, so I guess they refer to a certain person they saw in the footage that they are not 100% certain whether it was Brian or not.

 

[dotr]

I have actually touched on that scenario too, whether he could potentially have left disguised as a woman and if that was because no one saw (noticed) him leave. However I am very sceptical that had been possible, given his facial features are very male and would have made him very noticeable. I believe that he had not been able to "pass", so to speak, and that people at the bar, when later questioned, would have suddenly had this recollection popping up in their heads and went; "Oh wait, yeah there was this tall guy dressed as a woman sneaking out".

But as I said, I otherwise pondered the very same possibility. Just no longer feels it had been something he had been able to pull off.

I know however that those doing the investigation of the footage stated that Brian could potentially have put on a hat and kept his head down when leaving the place, so I guess they refer to a certain person they saw in the footage that they are not 100% certain whether it was Brian or not.

For that matter, Brian could have slipped out disguised as a different guy.
He could have done something like suggested, putting a hat on, head down, not so much to avoid the cctv. but because he just wanted to discretely take off from the people he was with for whatever reason.
Forgot now if there was a bathroom with a window at the club, some celebrities have been known to slip out that way to avoid people, maybe there was someone in particular Brian wanted to get away from?
speculation,

 

[Brainy]

I did some research and read the note of a student from OSU who frequented the same bar. The person mentioned that the bar seemed to have 1 public entrance, 1 emergency entrance, and another one for employees. There would have also been an additional entrance during the construction. It may not be true, but I am not sure if all the entrances had cameras when Brian went missing….
Ok, here is another theory… what if Brian was intoxicated and decided to leave the bar through another entrance. He was then struck by a car. The driver, and perhaps others who were in the car took his body with them and hid it somewhere to never be found again.

 

[Alleykins]

For that matter, Brian could have slipped out disguised as a different guy.
He could have done something like suggested, putting a hat on, head down, not so much to avoid the cctv. but because he just wanted to discretely take off from the people he was with for whatever reason.
Forgot now if there was a bathroom with a window at the club, some celebrities have been known to slip out that way to avoid people, maybe there was someone in particular Brian wanted to get away from?
speculation,

You bring up a good point, Dot. Just how much scrutiny did they give each patron captured on video leaving the bar that night? How clear was the footage? If it's anything like some of low quality surveillance vids from stores around here, he could have been missed, especially if he did change his clothes or his appearance in some way. Heck, if he were in a large group, maybe he blended in.

 

[Brainy]

You bring up a good point, Dot. Just how much scrutiny did they give each patron captured on video leaving the bar that night? How clear was the footage? If it's anything like some of low quality surveillance vids from stores around here, he could have been missed, especially if he did change his clothes or his appearance in some way. Heck, if he were in a large group, maybe he blended in.

Good point, all the theories of leaving the bar in disguise are a good idea. However.... what makes us speculate that Brian had such a reason? also consider, where would he get women's clothing, maybe a wig...? Considering that he was very possibly intoxicated, he wouldn’t have thought through something so complicated in 10 minutes or so. He is seen on video footage at 1:55am, his friends called him around 2:00am, couldn’t find him and left the bar at 2:08am. That’s a very short window of time.

 

[Alleykins]

Good point, all the theories of leaving the bar in disguise are a good idea. However.... what makes us speculate that Brian had such a reason? also consider, where would he get women's clothing, maybe a wig...? Considering that he was very possibly intoxicated, he wouldn’t have thought through something so complicated in 10 minutes or so. He is seen on video footage at 1:55am, his friends called him around 2:00am, couldn’t find him and left the bar at 2:08am. That’s a very short window of time.

I couldn't really find an answer, but was he seen re-entering the bar after he was talking to the two women outside and they left? What I read stated he is seen going off camera heading toward the bar, but it doesn't show him going back inside so they don't really know if he did? I didn't quite know how to take that. I was confused by that.