OH OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #3

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Hey Cariis, IIRC it was in the interview with the PI in which he stated that Brian didn't approve of his fathers lifestyle. Though he didn't elaborate, some of us here deduct that he was implying that Randy was having an extramarital relationship before Brian's mom passed away. Brian was very close to his mom, so it would make sense that he resented his father for that, IMO.

Thanks for posting the pics again, I've had a hard time being able to see in my mind's eye the entrance to the UT in relation to the other exits down that short yellow corridor.... after all this time it finally clicked for me. :) Those other exits are directly across from the escalator, I was thinking they were down the hallway the other direction from the UT entrance. Makes much more sense to me now that he most likely went out one of those other doors.

the same thing happened for me when I revisited the pics there was a video where a guy walked his route it blew my mind that all that other stuff was between him and the entrance of the actual bar -- today when i did the CCTV again for the first time I pondered drugs (cocaine?) he is really fidgety -
 
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Have always thought, that Brian seemed like he was in flirtatious/showoff mode in the far right escalator pic.
Who ( perhaps other than a pre-teenaged girl) is so immersed in conversation on an escalator that they are turned around and posed/ displayed as Brian appears to be?
speculation, imo.

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speed - coming off of exams? Not that either would necc have anything to do with what happened it just struck me

I would do the turn around on the escalator - I never shut up especially when drinking!!!

here - he was getting good grades and the neighborhood is high crime and creepy ( the myth that he wanted to be jimmy buffet - in grad school you don't just go along if your not performing -- they would put him on probation and then kick him out if he did perform as demanded. He was in his second year -- by that point you are doing fine or gone!!


it also seems as if myths have grown his love for her is expressed here by his brother ( the myth that they did not want to be together)

confirmed there were several exits without cameras the emergency door camera was one of those activated ones -- i would think easy to fail ( motion sensor)

we only have speculation that he went back in the bar........................
 
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the same thing happened for me when I revisited the pics there was a video where a guy walked his route it blew my mind that all that other stuff was between him and the entrance of the actual bar -- today when i did the CCTV again for the first time I pondered drugs (cocaine?) he is really fidgety -
Are you saying you’re seeing Brian as being really fidgety, as in you’re thinking he was using cocaine? If so, yeah, He was apparently by all reports a free thinker type person, so you could be right. But , could you elaborate a little on where you’re actually seeing him as being ‘fidgety ‘ ? TIA

Also, regarding his grades in school, IIRC, the PI also stated his grades weren’t that great, that he wasn’t doing that well in school. Can someone else back me up here? That’s just what I recall from the interview and LookingforBrians report. Wish I could give a link.... I could be wrong. TIA

Who knows how he really felt about getting into a long term relationship with Alexis, from what we’ve heard he and his brother weren’t really that close. And, from what the PI says, it sounds like Brian was somewhat of a wild child, IYKWIM. Maybe he just got to the point he was tired of living his life pleasing everyone, who knows.
But, Regarding the theory he encountered foul play after exiting the bar, I also think that’s quite possible. Unfortunately.
 
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To definitivily state such a thing could only be possible if the escalator and stairs are the ONLY way out that is not the case

there are a whole bunch of ways out of the building other than the escalator

I realize this--I've seen the pictures, and I've been to the building--but IMO it doesn't change anything. For Brian to have chosen any exit other than the ONE extremely obvious public escalator that was right in front of him would be a very odd choice. So even if you make the case for him using some bizarre way of exiting, we are back at stringing together multiple oddities:

For example:

He used some strange exit that night for an unknown reason AND he happened to meet foul play that very same night AND no one saw him after leaving AND no cameras in the surrounding areas picked him up AND no trace of him or his belongings have turned up for 12+ years AND his assailant never tried to use his credit card. Sorry, but to me this just sounds like a lot of conditions.

Regarding the video quality, I think it's plenty easy to tell Brian apart from others in the video. I think his white long sleeve t-shirt is particularly distinctive; and if I can recognize him, I'm 100% confident that LE who are actually trained on this are fully capable of identifying him.
 
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Are you saying you’re seeing Brian as being really fidgety, as in you’re thinking he was using cocaine? If so, yeah, He was apparently by all reports a free thinker type person, so you could be right. But , could you elaborate a little on where you’re actually seeing him as being ‘fidgety ‘ ? TIA

Also, regarding his grades in school, IIRC, the PI also stated his grades weren’t that great, that he wasn’t doing that well in school. Can someone else back me up here? That’s just what I recall from the interview and LookingforBrians report. Wish I could give a link.... I could be wrong. TIA

Who knows how he really felt about getting into a long term relationship with Alexis, from what we’ve heard he and his brother weren’t really that close. And, from what the PI says, it sounds like Brian was somewhat of a wild child, IYKWIM. Maybe he just got to the point he was tired of living his life pleasing everyone, who knows.
But, Regarding the theory he encountered foul play after exiting the bar, I also think that’s quite possible. Unfortunately.

hi

when he is talking with the girls and in that abc report i linked they reported solid grades it would be part of every story i would think if he was about to get kicked out of grad school or placed on probation

I kinda think the jimmy buffet deal has gotten blown off over years who has not said ugh i am ready for the beach a cocktail and were not really thinking of vanishing on everyone they know to go live a life of jimmy buffet without buffets money

just practically speaking you need money to vanish he was not working but focusing on his education so where does he get money to go be catch me if you can movie!!

in terms of brother relationship i dont know much about it but getting married is a reasonably big deal so even if they were not close they would talk about that i would think

either academic problems and or wanting to sneak away from a long term relationship i would think would be part of the narrative i have not heard it in a lot of the reports since that night.

discovering the multitude of exits has been interesting as well recently it has mostly gotten wind as if the escalator was the only way out when that is not is not true and I recently learned that it is a high crime area linked last post

the video of the alley ways are scary!! unlit and boogeyman ish

Ohio state med program is really rigorous according to rankings to get through second year means your doing fine -its totally different than BA programs

they each met each others parents so it would seem the relationship was serious

i think the comment about maybe he would be better off without him was a result of grieving his mothers passing

he was really tired from exam week so possibly a stimulant might have been needed

the more i revisit story the less i think some of the folklore stuff is just that

the first night of spring break would translate to everything being really busy a perfect opportunity for robberies when folks that were intoxicated at closing time so foul play seems even more likely

this is the typical narrative

Which many think is pretty incredible considering the fact that the bar had no other public entrances he could could have exited

the problem is it is far from accurate!! see pics

It might have even been a april fools prank - like leaving without telling them -that ended up him getting mugged and killed on way home

Apparently the trip was all set which translates to charged on credit cards would someone do that if they planned to evaporate that is both foolish and really cruel actually

the story is told as if clint lawyered up right away apparently that is not true all reports indicate he willingly talked to them for some time and then he lawyered up after police kept interviewing him which is something folks with resources would do

any lawyer would not let there client do a polygraph that is routine

he also had tickets for pearl jam i do not think people who plan on vanishing have vacations paid for a concerts lined up these things also contradict folks getting close to killing self they are forward looking activities

he was not isolating he attended finals (an activity which would in all likelihood would not be successfully completed if his depression was more intense than typical greiving_was with friends that night apparently he was present for his father and brother regarding mom again behaviors not typically related to a suicidal thinking especially when the attempt gets closer

his mothers passing was not sudden there was prep time another thing that imo likely translates to normative grieving as opposed to a suicidal depressive episode

by virtue of his vocation he probably would have awareness regarding grieving [process

on attorneys advise his refusal to take lie detector ended up over time translating into clint knew he was planning on vanishing from what on most angles appeared to have been a forward looking life with a person described as fun warm outgoing

he had a bright future - at 27 losing a parent is pretty typical

the suicide notion becomes less compelling no body was ever found which correlates more with foul play - most folks don't seek a place to never be found when killing self

just rambling!!


https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/ohio-state-university-04089
 
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Here are some earlier posts re Corbett's interview where he stated Brian wasn't doing so well in med school.

Thanks for summarizing your thoughts. I just listened to the podcast, too. Thanks to those who made it happen.

FWIW, the points that were of most interest to me:

1) Some time after Randy died, the gal he'd been dating had a convo with Corbett and told him that a while after Brian disappeared the father of one of Brian's friends had been cleaning out the basement of his home and found a box of stuff that belonged to Brian that included some writing that the GF told Corbett about, and the gist of it was she and/or Corbett felt that the writings were 'bizarre' and basically very dark.
2) There'd been at least some history of suicide in Brian's family - mom's or dad's side or both
3) Brian had incurred a lot of student loan debt and some credit card debt, may have been feeling financial strain
4) Brian hadn't been doing particularly well grade-wise in med school, may have also been source of strain

Having learned these things, the possibility of suicide seems perhaps slightly more probable. But still a lower probability IMO. I would still contend that most likely outcome was that Brian died in the building in an accident, most likely in the 'completely dug up' construction area, and his remains are still there.

I found the bizarre and dark writing stuff interesting too. I really found the not doing well in school surprising. I feel as if we were led to believe he was doing good before. That small detail just adds one more stress on Brian’s shoulders at the time.
 
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Here are some earlier posts re Corbett's interview where he stated Brian wasn't doing so well in med school.

Hi honey

not sure if corbett is accurate - in grad school it does not work like that tho! They have invested in you screened you for ages and will toss you

so i think that maybe a rumor

he just completed his second year

Florence said: “While I appreciate any effort in trying to determine what happened to Brain [sic] that night, I must decline your request. ANY and ALL questions you have for me should be directed to my attorney, Neil Rosenberg.”


this is an totally appropriate response for someone who has retained council

clint seemed bright Florence, 32, works for the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at the Vanderbilt University Medical School, where he is a postdoctoral fellow, according to a Vanderbilt Web site.

msnbc is running a special on the cave in 5 minutes!
 
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Hi honey

not sure if corbett is accurate - in grad school it does not work like that tho! They have invested in you screened you for ages and will toss you

so i think that maybe a rumor

he just completed his second year

Florence said: “While I appreciate any effort in trying to determine what happened to Brain [sic] that night, I must decline your request. ANY and ALL questions you have for me should be directed to my attorney, Neil Rosenberg.”


this is an totally appropriate response for someone who has retained council

clint seemed bright Florence, 32, works for the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at the Vanderbilt University Medical School, where he is a postdoctoral fellow, according to a Vanderbilt Web site.

msnbc is running a special on the cave in 5 minutes!
The cave? What is that? TIA
 
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Hi honey

not sure if corbett is accurate - in grad school it does not work like that tho! They have invested in you screened you for ages and will toss you

so i think that maybe a rumor

he just completed his second year

Florence said: “While I appreciate any effort in trying to determine what happened to Brain [sic] that night, I must decline your request. ANY and ALL questions you have for me should be directed to my attorney, Neil Rosenberg.”


this is an totally appropriate response for someone who has retained council

clint seemed bright Florence, 32, works for the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at the Vanderbilt University Medical School, where he is a postdoctoral fellow, according to a Vanderbilt Web site.

msnbc is running a special on the cave in 5 minutes!
Hey dear Cariis, I do get your point about the grades, then again some of us who are overachievers, IYKWIM, May have such high expectations we are disappointed in our performance. I guess I’m assuming too he must have confided in his dad or someone about being concerned about his grades.
Idk, it’s just possible he wasn’t happy with his grades if they say, weren’t straight A’s. Which could lead one to being disillusioned and questioning their path. Just a thought! :)
 
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ha was on wrong thread no delete button the boys in the cave!!!!!
Ok, Do you mean in Thailand ? I'm not sure! LOL!
 
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Have there been problems with the Podcasts? I have not heard anything from "Comeback."

Satch
 
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The problem with this case is that people are drawn to the nefarious. IMO, they read far too much into Brian's personal life, his body language on CCTV, the other people on the footage, and his friend's cagey behaviour etc. The most logical explanation: that a drunk Brian took a wrong turn and died in the construction site is a dead-end and doesn't stimulate much debate. Unless they use some kind of ground penetrating radar, we'll never know, but I'm fairly sure that's what happened. It fits the circumstances perfectly compared to anything else.
 
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The estimated age range would be a factor in it being him, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.

20-40 is quite non-specific to say it's a close match for Brian.
 
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20-40 is quite non-specific to say it's a close match for Brian.

That wasn't my point though. My point was to show there were several things that matched (before it was updated). Hair color, age range, race, height, weight, gender, etc. It wasn't to say "see it says 20-40....it must be him!" There were several coincidental factors here.
 
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The problem with this case is that people are drawn to the nefarious. IMO, they read far too much into Brian's personal life, his body language on CCTV, the other people on the footage, and his friend's cagey behaviour etc. The most logical explanation: that a drunk Brian took a wrong turn and died in the construction site is a dead-end and doesn't stimulate much debate. Unless they use some kind of ground penetrating radar, we'll never know, but I'm fairly sure that's what happened. It fits the circumstances perfectly compared to anything else.

IMO a young college man - partying with friends -at closing time- in a high crime area-alone makes whatever makes dozens of these happen is more likely than construction crew ignored a dead body and cemented over a dead human being.

The building was built and being adjusted not built from the ground up - the notion that there were deep crevices in an established building IMO is unlikely.

Cement needs to be poured - which is kinda like placing whipped cream on ice cream - one has to look where they are putting it! The cant poor concrete in the dark - so IMO they would see a 6 foot man lying on the ground in front of them is high - just mo

The only reason this whole missing case went into legend land is the cop stating he absolutely, without a doubt accounted for every person other than Brian ( in and of itself somewhat propersterious as it is IMO) .

They then incorrectly reported that there were very few exits other than the escalor which is not the case.

They then reported - as if it is fact - he went into the bar instnatly when he left the horrible CCTV footage is not true.

tHE small area before the bar entrance has a multitude of exits before the entrance to the bar .

If the story were accurately reported

A xx year old man has been missing since last night after bar hopping with friends has loved ones concerned. BS left the Ugly Tuna around closing time and has not been seen or heard from since.

His gfriend report it appears he had not slept in his bed and his cell phone went directly to his VM when attempts to contact him were made after he got seperated from his friends.


etc etc

how many of these do we read all the time.
 
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IMO a young college man - partying with friends -at closing time- in a high crime area-alone makes whatever makes dozens of these happen is more likely than construction crew ignored a dead body and cemented over a dead human being.
You continue to make your straw-man argument.

Most of us who believe that Brian is still on the site have not focused on his having been "cemented over."

There are numerous gaps/crevices/out of the way places in any large commercial building; finish carpentry eventually seals most of them. In this case, it is extremely plausible that Brian made his way into such a crevice above ground.
 
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You continue to make your straw-man argument.

Most of us who believe that Brian is still on the site have not focused on his having been "cemented over."

There are numerous gaps/crevices/out of the way places in any large commercial building; finish carpentry eventually seals most of them. In this case, it is extremely plausible that Brian made his way into such a crevice above ground.

Yes, that is where we disagree! I think he got out of the building and then something happened drug deal mugged fight overdose etc etc

How does something above ground not get located when 100's are looking at the ground in the area looking for something that does not belong there? A 6 foot man would qualify!
 
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