OH OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #4

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  • #181
Snipped.

If Brian's body had been left out in the open, then I think it would have been found. If Brian was murdered, he was probably buried, burned, or put in a dumpster.

I don't believe that any 27-year-old could pull of a voluntary disappearance in the digital age without help from an older, more experienced person. It would be impossible without somehow acquiring the SSN of someone whose death hadn't been reported to the Social Security Administration, and there's nothing to indicate that Brian had the knowledge or connections to pull off something like that.

You have to be joking when it comes to making assumptions about Brian’s intelligence level. I’d like to know your opinion on just how old and mature someone has to be to be able to escape this digital age you are referring to and how this intelligence and know how is acquired.

I never said Brian’s body was left out in the open. That area is full of places that one could hide a body. There are also a lot of dumpsters in that area I’m sure were not checked due to its location.
 
  • #182
You have to be joking when it comes to making assumptions about Brian’s intelligence level. I’d like to know your opinion on just how old and mature someone has to be to be able to escape this digital age you are referring to and how this intelligence and know how is acquired.

I never said Brian’s body was left out in the open. That area is full of places that one could hide a body. There are also a lot of dumpsters in that area I’m sure were not checked due to its location.
If you don't know the difference between knowledge and intelligence, then I don't know how to communicate with you.
 
  • #183
If you don't know the difference between knowledge and intelligence, then I don't know how to communicate with you

lol yeah ok. You make a lot of assumptions that you don’t seem to be able to back up, that’s not my fault.
 
  • #184
Brian’s phone pinged near Kenny and Lane
On Google maps today, if i do street view of Kenny & Lane, there’s a cell tower within view, right by the train tracks that run parallel to 315. Of course, it’s possible the tower has moved since 2006, but I suspect it’s the same tower.

Listening to Hurst on latest podcast, it sounds like the pings back then were not very accurate. It just means the phone was within range of a particular cell tower. Isn’t it possible Brian’s phone was traveling along 315 at the time it pinged on the tower near Kenny and Lane?

I didn’t catch the date/time/place of those cell phone pings. When and where were all the pings?
 
  • #185
On Google maps today, if i do street view of Kenny & Lane, there’s a cell tower within view, right by the train tracks that run parallel to 315. Of course, it’s possible the tower has moved since 2006, but I suspect it’s the same tower.

Listening to Hurst on latest podcast, it sounds like the pings back then were not very accurate. It just means the phone was within range of a particular cell tower. Isn’t it possible Brian’s phone was traveling along 315 at the time it pinged on the tower near Kenny and Lane?

I didn’t catch the date/time/place of those cell phone pings. When and where were all the pings?

I’m not sure how accurate pings are even today and unfortunately Brian’s phone had no gps. Something led them to believe that area was relevant. Im not aware of when these pings took place sorry.
 
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So looks like we are down another rabbit hole or are we? It seems as if Brian’s phone was was pretty busy pinging after he went missing. I’m not 100% sure if his phone was pinging a tower or CPD was having a signal sent to his phone or both? At some point it seems his phone was turned off but is this an assumption because of Meredith saying it went straight to voice mail? As I have said before I think it possible that Brian may have shut his phone off for a short time to avoid Clint. I also had a feeling that his phone was receiving calls after he went missing. I’ll admit that I was thinking this would have been right after Clint and Meredith left as I figured they where calling him on their way to Clintonville. If Brian was temporarily in an area were he was not getting a signal it would also go to VM. According to the phone company I called there would be no way of knowing which one.

When I first started looking into Brian’s disappearance I was trying to find clues that would lead me to believe he was alive. Then I thought maybe if I did the opposite and try to find clues that he was dead that would be a better route. There doesn’t seem to be any solid proof either way. His phone pinging is it’s not really proof he’s dead or alive but it does in my opinion prove that someone had his phone. I never thought that Brian‘s phone died because of the battery. Supposedly his phone charger was still plugged in at his apartment. A lot of people keep your phone plugged in when they are home. Brian had a flip phone and they are known to keep a charge a long time. There is really not much going on those type of phones that drain the battery. If his phone was fully charged when he left that night this phone would stay charged for days maybe weeks.

Brian’s phone pinged near Kenny and Lane so he was either hanging out near the campus or someone dumped his body along or near the railroad tracks imo. If Brian took off on his own I doubt he was hanging out in town with someone. I’m sure it’s possible but this would mean someone else was involved and possibly helping him. If foul play was involved then maybe his phone was on him and if the ringer was off the people involved never bothered to take his phone. I’d guess they would check his wallet for money but would probably ditch his wallet with the body. The phone would be the last thing I would take although I don’t think it out of the realm of possibilities. If Brian was killed I don’t think the people who did it would have been the smartest but I do think they knew the area well enough to get rid of a body.

I’ve said already that I think Brian was going home and I think he walked down Pearl St to avoid being seen by Clint. A piece of info I have leads me to believe I was right about Brian taking Pearl St. While researching some of Brian’s friends I found out about a guy who lived on King St. not too far from Brian. I do not know if Brian knew this guy but I do know that he was friends with at least one guy who Brian was out with that night. I’ve often wondered if Brian did make it to King St maybe he stopped at this guys house on his way home. This guy moved shortly after Brian went missing and he moved pretty far away. I personally know someone who knows him and this person told me that he was into some weird stuff. When I spoke to this person I never mentioned Brian at first because I didn’t want to lead this person in any way. I just asked what type of person he was. There is one other piece of info that imo could also tie this guy to Brian but this info came to me second hand so that person can fill in the rest if they choose to. All this added up imo makes it hard to believe that this is all coincidental but when it comes to Brian’s case I’m not surprised anymore.

If I understand correctly, Brian used Cingular as his cellular provider, and his phone in Sept. '06 (5 months after Brian disappeared) 'pinged' a tower in the Hilliard area (or only seemed to ping a tower if some sort of glitch), which is around 6 miles from where Brian was last seen. A phone can 'ping' a tower whether phone is turned on or off - right?. I'd presume that a phone can't 'ping' a tower if the phone battery is completely dead. Det. Hurst in recent interview stated that circa 2006 a ping would indicate a phone was within 20 miles of the tower pinged.

Also, in addition to the Hilliard ping and seeming ringing of the phone, at some point Brian's phone is said to have pinged 'on the west side' of Columbus (so, perhaps 5-10 miles from where Brian was last seen) and also a tower in the vicinity of Kenny/Lane, which is like 2 miles from where Brian was last seen. Has Det. Hurst identified the date of those pings? How were those locations narrowed down if a phone can ping from 20 miles away? Via triangulation?

Thus, there is no evidence to indicate that Brian's phone was ever out of the Columbus area after Brian disappeared. And the three pings (if not simply glitches) would seem to be evidence that Brian's phone was in the general Columbus area at time of pings after Brian disappeared, and his phone retained some charge at the time of those pings. How long can a phone retain sufficient charge to 'ping' if not charged and not used?

It would seem to me, as Brian's last known location (Gateway Complex where UTS had been located) was well within 20 miles of 1) west side of Columbus, 2) of Hilliard, and 3) of Kenny/Lane, those pings could conceivably have been generated if Brian's phone had the whole time been on his body in the construction area of the Gateway Complex. But only if the phone retained enough charge to ping. But then the question would be, why didn't it ping more regularly before losing all charge - why so intermittently (only 3 time over 5 months)? Perhaps because of difficulty getting signal from lower level of building, and under dirt/concrete?

I think it'd be quite interesting, perhaps even beneficial to case, if a top-flight phone expert conducted a new analysis of the records of Brian's Cingular account and drew conclusions, if any, as to what the records might suggest as to the whereabouts of the phone at the time of the pings (and whether the pings might have been glitches). Fresh look couldn't hurt.
 
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Keep in mind I’m no expert on this. So the Hilliard ping was about 14 miles away. Now I’m not 100% sure on this but I’m pretty sure the phone Brian had would not send out a signal once the phone was turned off. Plus as mentioned before it had no GPS. With today’s phones you have a window where once the battery is dead you cans still trace the phone. I don’t think the 20 mile comment is correct. I’m not even sure the phone Brian had was capable of finding a tower that far away? It would take someone knowledgeable about that specific phone to see what the capabilities were back then.

I’ve done some research on those phones and I’ve had a few myself and if you had a fully charged phone and sat it on a drawer that battery could last for weeks and possibly months. I had someone tell me their flip phone was still changed after a year of it just sitting in a drawer.

The technology of that phone was completely different back then. You’re not going to get a signal from a flip phone and I don’t think from any phone for that matter under dirt or concrete. Six months after Brian went missing his phone not only went to VM but was pinging and I think moving? Could be wrong on that.

Can’t imagine the state Brian’s body would be in by that time if he was buried under dirt rebar and concrete. I do not know when these other pings occurred but I’m my mind if a phone is pinging then it’s capable of accepting a call. If that’s the case I’d assume this particular phone would have to be on and it would ring first before going to VM. I’d have to go back and look to find out when Alexis first called him the next day. I think she said it went to VM but not sure. Plus you had Clint and Meredith calling him also. According to Alexis she never got his phone to ring until the pings in Hilliard and she called it every night up until that time.
 
  • #188
I wonder where Clint and Meredith's phones may have been pinging from April 1-2... CPD looked at their cars. Did CPD look at their phones? Any OnStar or similar accounts or chips onboard vehicles...
So John has told me that Clint and Meredith were followed on camera leaving the bar for a while and they went in the direction of the Professors house. I have also been told that all phone records matched the story given from Clint and Meredith. Now I’m not sure if by this they mean that they obtained all 3 phone records or just Brian’s. As far as the pinging activity on Clint and Meredith’s phone, I have no clue but I will see if I can find out.
 
  • #189
Do you know whether LE examined every container that left that building in the days following Brian’s disappearance? For example, band equipment cases, trash bins, crates, etc.
I know the trash compactor was checked very thoroughly. Each band would bring their own equipment. I know they interviewed the band playing the night Brian disappeared and they don’t believe they had any information to offer. As far as any thing else they searched I’m not sure, but I will see if I can get an answer to this.
 
  • #190
The phone pings confused me a little. Did I understand correctly that there were THREE locations of pings? West side (no specific location), area of Lane and Kenny and finally Hilliard? I hadn't realized all this time the phone appeared to ping in different areas. I know that John stated that the technology wasn't as precise back then, but these three areas aren't so clustered to make one think different towers were flipping back and forth on a stationary signal. I'd like to know where exactly on the west side and Hilliard the pings were indicated.

Oh, one more thing...How would Randy have gained access to the money willed to Brian in order to use it on the searches? Brian hadn't been declared dead. It seems that money should actually still be sitting somewhere to this day.

The phone pinging is super confusing. Let me try to break it down a little better. There were multiple pings! On Monday CPD paid close to $3000 for Cingular wireless to send pings to Brian’s phone. Initially there was nothing, and there was no activity from 2:11 A.M. on Saturday April 1, 2006 until Monday April 3, 2006. Many believe this to mean the phone was shut off. Then on Monday evening April 3, 2006 the phone began responding to pings being sent to it from Cingular. So these were not usage pings they were communication pings. When the phone would ping it would ping a cellular tower. There were multiple locations pinged including the ones that John listed. This made LE believe the phone was moving. The money CPD used only paid for the pinging service from Cingular for one month. After the one month was up they were not allowed to pay again and there is nothing more known about the activity on Brian’s phone. However, like I said it pinged multiple times in that month. Now when the phone started ringing in September 2006, Cingular said it was either 2 things...1) The phone came on and began communicating with a tower in the Hilliard area or 2) It was glitch due to overloaded towers that caused it to ring while searching for a cell tower to communicate with. I hope that explains it better. Now as far as Randy getting access to Brian’s funds. I have been told that they don’t know how Randy did it, but he obtained a court document and was able to get access and control Brian’s finances due to his disappearance. I have not seen this document, but I have had more than one person tell me this and they are both highly credible.
 
  • #191
Good point. Unless there is some strange legal loophole we are unaware of.

On the construction site, I am sure Hurst and the rest of CPD consulted the construction team on what work was done, when, where and so on. I don’t think the fact that these sites change quite a bit was lost on them. I was also never under the impression work was done over the weekend which could conceal his remains if he had died there. All the stories I read were that they halted construction right as they were about to get back to work and Looking4Brian confirms this in a prior post.

Had that not been the case, I’m pretty sure the CPD would have had the construction company uproot everything and then some from the 31st on.

This episode also has me rethinking a statement Clint made at the time of the disappearance where he flippantly stated Brian was doing the usual thing of running his mouth or something to that effect. Why say that?

Then again, if he really was a problem and missing link, why hasn’t the CPD turned up the heat on him?

If there is something that rules him out, I’d love to know what it is other than he hired a lawyer. That’s never stopped the police before.

I do hope a search with radar can be done to rule out the construction site entirely. I’m satisfied with what Hurst had to say but the radar would be about as definitive as you can get in this case.
Good point. Unless there is some strange legal loophole we are unaware of.

On the construction site, I am sure Hurst and the rest of CPD consulted the construction team on what work was done, when, where and so on. I don’t think the fact that these sites change quite a bit was lost on them. I was also never under the impression work was done over the weekend which could conceal his remains if he had died there. All the stories I read were that they halted construction right as they were about to get back to work and Looking4Brian confirms this in a prior post.

Had that not been the case, I’m pretty sure the CPD would have had the construction company uproot everything and then some from the 31st on.

This episode also has me rethinking a statement Clint made at the time of the disappearance where he flippantly stated Brian was doing the usual thing of running his mouth or something to that effect. Why say that?

Then again, if he really was a problem and missing link, why hasn’t the CPD turned up the heat on him?

If there is something that rules him out, I’d love to know what it is other than he hired a lawyer. That’s never stopped the police before.

I do hope a search with radar can be done to rule out the construction site entirely. I’m satisfied with what Hurst had to say but the radar would be about as definitive as you can get in this case.
I have questioned not turning the heat up on Clint as well. I have seen several cases with a missing person where the classify it a homicide without a body, but there is absolutely no evidence that Brian Shaffer is deceased. This hinders a lot of the things that LE can actually do. IMO the biggest reason this has never been done is because CPD believes Brian is out there. CPD actually tweeted several months ago, “That they have reason to believe Brian Shaffer is alive and well”! I will say that no one has ruled Clint out of anything. I think it’s time for him to be reinterviewed.
 
  • #192
So John has told me that Clint and Meredith were followed on camera leaving the bar for a while and they went in the direction of the Professors house. I have also been told that all phone records matched the story given from Clint and Meredith. Now I’m not sure if by this they mean that they obtained all 3 phone records or just Brian’s. As far as the pinging activity on Clint and Meredith’s phone, I have no clue but I will see if I can find out.
Well, if (big if) Clint was involved in Brian's disappearance, I'd think there'd be a good chance a review of his phone records for 3/31/06 to say 4/4/06, and especially ping locations, might be revealing. Was surprised to learn that Clint had, IIUC, refused to answer - verbally or in writing - any grand jury questions. It is one thing to put a lawyer between you and LE and media, but another thing entirely to refuse to answer grand jury questions. In my view, the former is sensible/understandable, the latter rather damning. If LE in 2006 could legally have reviewed Clint's phone records and phone locations (pings), but didn't, that would seem like a blunder, bit like the DNA not getting input into the database until you pushed for it last year....

And if I may repeat a prior question: at some point Brian's phone is said to have pinged 'on the west side' of Columbus (so, perhaps 5-10 miles from where Brian was last seen) and also a tower in the vicinity of Kenny/Lane, which is like 2 miles from where Brian was last seen. Has Det. Hurst identified the date of those pings - days after disappearance, or months or years? How were those locations narrowed down if a phone can ping from 20 miles away? Via triangulation?

Thx. You do yeoman's work.
 
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Well, if (big if) Clint was involved in Brian's disappearance, I'd think there'd be a good chance a review of his phone records for 3/31/06 to say 4/4/06, and especially ping locations, might be revealing. Was surprised to learn that Clint had, IIUC, refused to answer - verbally or in writing - any grand jury questions. It is one thing to put a lawyer between you and LE and media, but another thing entirely to refuse to answer grand jury questions. In my view, the former is sensible/understandable, the latter rather damning. If LE in 2006 could legally have reviewed Clint's phone records and phone locations (pings), but didn't, that would be unfortunate.

And if I may repeat a prior question: at some point Brian's phone is said to have pinged 'on the west side' of Columbus (so, perhaps 5-10 miles from where Brian was last seen) and also a tower in the vicinity of Kenny/Lane, which is like 2 miles from where Brian was last seen. Has Det. Hurst identified the date of those pings? How were those locations narrowed down if a phone can ping from 20 miles away? Via triangulation?

I break down the phone pings a little better in a previous post. I think it will answer a couple of your questions. I was quite shocked to learn about Clint’s refusal of the Grand Jury questions. If I was Clint and I had nothing to hide I would answer the questions rather than letting everyone think I am somehow responsible for a missing person.
 
  • #194
So looks like we are down another rabbit hole or are we? It seems as if Brian’s phone was was pretty busy pinging after he went missing. I’m not 100% sure if his phone was pinging a tower or CPD was having a signal sent to his phone or both? At some point it seems his phone was turned off but is this an assumption because of Meredith saying it went straight to voice mail? As I have said before I think it possible that Brian may have shut his phone off for a short time to avoid Clint. I also had a feeling that his phone was receiving calls after he went missing. I’ll admit that I was thinking this would have been right after Clint and Meredith left as I figured they where calling him on their way to Clintonville. If Brian was temporarily in an area were he was not getting a signal it would also go to VM. According to the phone company I called there would be no way of knowing which one.

When I first started looking into Brian’s disappearance I was trying to find clues that would lead me to believe he was alive. Then I thought maybe if I did the opposite and try to find clues that he was dead that would be a better route. There doesn’t seem to be any solid proof either way. His phone pinging is it’s not really proof he’s dead or alive but it does in my opinion prove that someone had his phone. I never thought that Brian‘s phone died because of the battery. Supposedly his phone charger was still plugged in at his apartment. A lot of people keep your phone plugged in when they are home. Brian had a flip phone and they are known to keep a charge a long time. There is really not much going on those type of phones that drain the battery. If his phone was fully charged when he left that night this phone would stay charged for days maybe weeks.

Brian’s phone pinged near Kenny and Lane so he was either hanging out near the campus or someone dumped his body along or near the railroad tracks imo. If Brian took off on his own I doubt he was hanging out in town with someone. I’m sure it’s possible but this would mean someone else was involved and possibly helping him. If foul play was involved then maybe his phone was on him and if the ringer was off the people involved never bothered to take his phone. I’d guess they would check his wallet for money but would probably ditch his wallet with the body. The phone would be the last thing I would take although I don’t think it out of the realm of possibilities. If Brian was killed I don’t think the people who did it would have been the smartest but I do think they knew the area well enough to get rid of a body.

I’ve said already that I think Brian was going home and I think he walked down Pearl St to avoid being seen by Clint. A piece of info I have leads me to believe I was right about Brian taking Pearl St. While researching some of Brian’s friends I found out about a guy who lived on King St. not too far from Brian. I do not know if Brian knew this guy but I do know that he was friends with at least one guy who Brian was out with that night. I’ve often wondered if Brian did make it to King St maybe he stopped at this guys house on his way home. This guy moved shortly after Brian went missing and he moved pretty far away. I personally know someone who knows him and this person told me that he was into some weird stuff. When I spoke to this person I never mentioned Brian at first because I didn’t want to lead this person in any way. I just asked what type of person he was. There is one other piece of info that imo could also tie this guy to Brian but this info came to me second hand so that person can fill in the rest if they choose to. All this added up imo makes it hard to believe that this is all coincidental but when it comes to Brian’s case I’m not surprised anymore.
I go more in detail on a previous post about the phone pings, but yes the phone was very active after appearing to off on Saturday and Sunday.
 
  • #195
On Google maps today, if i do street view of Kenny & Lane, there’s a cell tower within view, right by the train tracks that run parallel to 315. Of course, it’s possible the tower has moved since 2006, but I suspect it’s the same tower.

Listening to Hurst on latest podcast, it sounds like the pings back then were not very accurate. It just means the phone was within range of a particular cell tower. Isn’t it possible Brian’s phone was traveling along 315 at the time it pinged on the tower near Kenny and Lane?

I didn’t catch the date/time/place of those cell phone pings. When and where were all the pings?
CPD places a pinging service through Cingular on Monday April 3, 2006. There was nothing on Saturday after 2:11 a.m. until Monday evening. It appeared the phone was shut off and came back on. The pings started that Monday evening. The Pinging service was put on the phone for 30 days. There were multiple pings in that 30 days.
 
  • #196
The phone pinging is super confusing. Let me try to break it down a little better. There were multiple pings! On Monday CPD paid close to $3000 for Cingular wireless to send pings to Brian’s phone. Initially there was nothing, and there was no activity from 2:11 A.M. on Saturday April 1, 2006 until Monday April 3, 2006. Many believe this to mean the phone was shut off. Then on Monday evening April 3, 2006 the phone began responding to pings being sent to it from Cingular. So these were not usage pings they were communication pings. When the phone would ping it would ping a cellular tower. There were multiple locations pinged including the ones that John listed. This made LE believe the phone was moving. The money CPD used only paid for the pinging service from Cingular for one month. After the one month was up they were not allowed to pay again and there is nothing more known about the activity on Brian’s phone. However, like I said it pinged multiple times in that month.
Whoa - new case info. Call me crazy, but as to these pings, here's a hypothesis. Between 1:55am and 2:11am Saturday morn 4/1/06 Brian entered the construction area, and around 2:11am died in an accidental fall in which he wound up in dirt cutting off phone signal, which would make phone unable to ping a tower due to signal blockage (earth is dense, blocks cellular) and would make phone seem to be turned off. Two days later on afternoon of Monday 4/3/06 construction worker(s) get wind of the fact that a guy last seen in the building over the weekend has gone missing. Worker(s) have a look around the 'completely dug up' construction site. Brian's body is discovered/unearthed by worker(s). Phone still on body in pocket, still retains charge, and so communication pings again begin. Worker(s), horrified at gruesome discovery, panicked, cover-up ensued. Body, phone still on it, moved out of building and disposed of, still not discovered 13+ years later...

What was date of last ping during that 30 day April 2006 period during which Cingular was providing records of pings of Brian's phone? What were the locations of the pinged towers? All in the Columbus area?
 
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Whoa - new case info. Call me crazy, but as to these pings, here's a hypothesis. Between 1:55am and 2:11am Saturday morn 4/1/06 Brian entered the construction area, and around 2:11am died in an accidental fall in which he wound up in dirt cutting off phone signal, which would make phone unable to ping a tower due to signal blockage (earth is dense, blocks cellular) and would make phone seem to be turned off. Two days later on afternoon of Monday 4/3/06 construction worker(s) get wind of the fact that a guy last seen in the building over the weekend has gone missing. Worker(s) have a look around the 'completely dug up' construction site. Brian's body is discovered/unearthed by worker(s). Phone still on body in pocket, still retains charge, and so communication pings again begin. Worker(s), horrified at gruesome discovery, panicked, cover-up ensued. Body, phone still on it, moved out of building and disposed of, still not discovered 13+ years later...

What was date of last ping during that 30 day April 2006 period during which Cingular was providing records of pings of Brian's phone? What were the locations of the pinged towers? All in the Columbus area?
I will try to get all the dates. My thoughts are either Brian or his killer turned the phone on or Brian was tossed in a dumpster And when the dumpster was emptied into the trash truck it caused his phone to come back on. This causing the movement of the pings.
 
  • #198
I know the trash compactor was checked very thoroughly. Each band would bring their own equipment. I know they interviewed the band playing the night Brian disappeared and they don’t believe they had any information to offer. As far as any thing else they searched I’m not sure, but I will see if I can get an answer to this.
Thank you. I recall a case where a woman was seen on surveillance video getting onto an elevator at the hotel where she was staying, and then never seen leaving. Her body was later found in a field nearby. It was an astute private investigator who watched and rewatched the surveillance video and determined that the random guy who got on the elevator with her (she didn’t appear to know him) was later seen dragging a very heavy suitcase out.

And just last night, there was a Dateline (or 48 hours?), where a young woman is on video going into an apartment building with a guy she was dating, and then she went missing, no video of her exiting. Cadaver dogs alerted all over the guys apartment and at his car in the parking garage. Another girlfriend was shown pictures of his apartment and noticed that his travel golf bag was missing from his apartment. (It had been on the living room floor for a while.) The missing woman’s body was discovered a year or two later, “coincidentally” in an area near where the guy’s phone had pinged in the days following her disappearance, an hour or so drive away from his apartment.

So, I’m just thinking of all the containers that could have left the Ugly Tuna building on April 1-2. Would anyone notice an extra trash can or a case for band equipment?
 
  • #199
I will try to get all the dates. My thoughts are either Brian or his killer turned the phone on or Brian was tossed in a dumpster And when the dumpster was emptied into the trash truck it caused his phone to come back on. This causing the movement of the pings.
Those ping dates during the 30 day window contracted with Cingular would be of interest. If the pings occurred from 4/3/06 to the end of the 30 days, it might suggest that the phone may well have stayed charged beyond the 30 days (could be wrong, but don't see how a phone with dead battery could ping a tower), which might suggest that someone was charging it. Also, if phone pinged a tower well outside the Columbus area, would seem to suggest phone was being moved/carried But if all towers pinged were in the metro area, it would seem possible that might suggest the phone could have been stationary the entire time. If the pings came to a halt say around 4/7/06, it might suggest that is when battery lost all charge from last time Brian charged it up.
 
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I will try to get all the dates. My thoughts are either Brian or his killer turned the phone on or Brian was tossed in a dumpster And when the dumpster was emptied into the trash truck it caused his phone to come back on. This causing the movement of the pings.
But one thing - if it is true as Hurst seemed to assert that a phone circa 2006 could ping towers 20 miles away (and there were doubtless many many cell towers in the Columbus metro area - dozens? hundreds?) then even a stationary phone could ping lots of different towers and thus appear to be moving even though not moving at all. Right?
 
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