OH OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #4

[Kaie]

We have discussed the homeless man in Mexico a couple of times here. I have kept quiet that CPD feels it could be Brian. About 2 months ago a lady contacted me about the flyer I released trying to locate the homeless man. She located him and started communicating with him. He said his name is Brian. I’m not saying it’s Brian Shaffer, but it needs looked into. Channel 10 News in Columbus will have a segment on at 11 about Brian and this tip.

I think that due to Brian's case being well known, the resemblance, and the more recent flyers... it's quite possible that this man has been asked a few times whether or not he is Brian Shaffer. If for any reason this man is confused and cannot remember his own identity, then he may have been repeating the suggestion.

 

[janewall]

We have discussed the homeless man in Mexico a couple of times here. I have kept quiet that CPD feels it could be Brian. About 2 months ago a lady contacted me about the flyer I released trying to locate the homeless man. She located him and started communicating with him. He said his name is Brian. I’m not saying it’s Brian Shaffer, but it needs looked into. Channel 10 News in Columbus will have a segment on at 11 about Brian and this tip.

Did the segment on Channel 10 air? I can't find it on their website. Does anyone have a link?

 

[Looking4Brian]

Did the segment on Channel 10 air? I can't find it on their website. Does anyone have a link?

There was an ad on the news last night for the story. It said it will air Monday.

 

[george14]

Columbus 10 aired a segment where the FBI used facial recognition and determined the man in Mexico was not Brian.

 

[embufum]

I think it's great the Brian's case is getting looked at again. This photo was posted on here at least a couple years ago. Wonder why it took so long for them to analyze it.

 

[Tman2004]

Columbus 10 aired a segment where the FBI used facial recognition and determined the man in Mexico was not Brian.

Do you know if they mentioned their facial recognition was done on a picture of the bum or was he actually in contact with someone.

 

[Old Mozez]

As to the 3 CPD working theories Hurst noted, I'd guess that in general terms they are:
1) Willful disappearance - Brian intentionally ran off to a new life
2) Homicide - Brian bailed on Clint and Meredith, ran into foul play nearby outside the UTS
3) Suicide - Brian succumbed to expectations/pressures in his life.

Itsrak, I've heard fmr Det. Hurst mention a couple of times now in interviews that he doesn't believe Brian committed suicide. Could it be that his view is not aligned with the rest of CPD's view of the three theories or... I'm leaning more towards a third theory consisting of mental illness, leading to involuntary retraction from society and dissocial living. Would have liked to hear your views about it.

 

[Valiant]

... I'm leaning more towards a third theory consisting of mental illness, leading to involuntary retraction from society and dissocial living. Would have liked to hear your views about it.

That would seem to fit the circumstances better than a voluntary walk-away. You'd think with a voluntary walk-away there would have been some evidence somewhere found on travel, assuming a new identify, evidence of money hoarding or a secret bank account?

 

[Old Mozez]

That would seem to fit the circumstances better than a voluntary walk-away. You'd think with a voluntary walk-away there would have been some evidence somewhere found on travel, assuming a new identify, evidence of money hoarding or a secret bank account?

Det. Edwards acknowledged to the columbus monthly in 2014 that CPD are working behind 3 theories in Brian's case. But that they won't discuss them, not even in general terms. So if theory 1 is altered to theory 3 (involuntary) we miss out on one of the theories and have to make up for it. They won't accept accident as a theory as I get it. So what's left? I guess with the tweet they went out with last year ( and possibly the secret wording to Neil Rosenberg) that theory 1 as Itsrak put it, is viable.

 

[Kaie]

You'd think that in the three theories, at least one of them would include Clint in its hypothetical scenario. We have all gone back and forth on whether he may know anything. He says he told them everything he knew, and has nothing further to add... and that could all be true. But if CPD has three theories, and it seems they were very interested in trying to get Clint to co-operate further with them, then it just stands to reason that LE place him in one of those theories.

 

[itsrak]

Itsrak, I've heard fmr Det. Hurst mention a couple of times now in interviews that he doesn't believe Brian committed suicide. Could it be that his view is not aligned with the rest of CPD's view of the three theories or... I'm leaning more towards a third theory consisting of mental illness, leading to involuntary retraction from society and dissocial living. Would have liked to hear your views about it.

Yeah, Hurst needn't personally ascribe to a theory for it to remain a CPD theory.

My theories today would be:
1) Accidental death (90%). In the Gateway complex. Within a few minutes of last seen. Remains still buried there. No perp (though property owner and construction contractor potentially negligent). No witnesses. Searchers failed. Hurst wrong.
2) Homicide (5%). This would potentially involve Clint as perp, but probably not.
3) All other (5%). Ran-off, suicide, lost his mind, alien abduction, ...

The only thing that sort of sticks in my craw is that Alexis' father seemed to suspect that Clint knows what happened. He is on record pointing finger in Clint's direction, which one wouldn't or at least shouldn't do lightly. Presumably he based this on some sort of inside info, but he never provided detail in support of his position. See last paragraph: Is Brian Shaffer alive?

 

[Old Mozez]

Yeah, Hurst needn't personally ascribe to a theory for it to remain a CPD theory.

My theories today would be:
1) Accidental death (90%). In the Gateway complex. Within a few minutes of last seen. Remains still buried there. No perp (though property owner potentially negligent). No witnesses. Searchers failed. Hurst wrong.
2) Homicide (5%). This would potentially involve Clint as perp, but probably not.
3) Other (5%). Ran-off, suicide, lost his mind, alien abduction, ...

The only thing that sort of sticks in my craw is that Alexis' father seemed to suspect that Clint knows what happened. Presumably he based this on some sort of inside info, but he never provided detail in support of is position.

I'd sure would've liked to know exactly what their theories are, but somehow your post has stayed in my head. Hearing Det. Hurst recently just confused me is all. (Isn't 90% a little low? )

 

[itsrak]

I'd sure would've liked to know exactly what their theories are, but somehow your post has stayed in my head. Hearing Det. Hurst recently just confused me is all. (Isn't 90% a little low? )

Yeah, 90% feels a bit low, but I try hard to keep an open mind, to not have tunnel vision. I really do! Pardon the pun.

 

[Old Mozez]

It's hard with Clint because I remember the host of the podcast I linked to some pages back, he pretty much convinced me that Clint didn't have anything to do with it. Clint wasn't restricting Brian's movement at all, Brian was unhindered in his endeavours that night and in the UTS. What he did, he did with his own accord.
Possibly Clint could have lured him to enter that part of the building for some reason and then what happened happened and he felt guilty at first. Or he could have seen Brian enter that way and looked the other way acting like he hadn't seen him. I think it's more something like that then that he hired someone to kill Brian or that he finished him off himself.

 

[Looking4Brian]

I am so happy that this picture got the attention it did. The whole point in me investigating Brian’s disappearance is to take away theories. This is now one we can lay to rest. Today is Brian’s 41st Birthday. Hoping we have answers before another birthday passes. Brian’s cold case detective seems like she is taking this very serious. Hopefully fresh eyes will lead to new clues.

 

[neesaki]

Did the segment on Channel 10 air? I can't find it on their website. Does anyone have a link?

Here it is. Really good to seem some activity on Brian’s case.
What happened to Brian Shaffer? Columbus police continue to work case 14 years after his disappearance

Foul play has never been ruled out in the Shaffer case, nor has the fact that he perhaps just took off. Detectives have long suspected that the stresses of life, medical school and losing a mother to cancer may have played a part in his disappearance.

After all, "adults can disappear," says Det. Tucker, but she still believes his case is rather suspicious given the family he left behind.

Tucker says she plans to re-interview people from the case, hoping to uncover one more clue. She believes someone already interviewed is withholding information.

 

[Kaie]

It's hard with Clint because I remember the host of the podcast I linked to some pages back, he pretty much convinced me that Clint didn't have anything to do with it. Clint wasn't restricting Brian's movement at all, Brian was unhindered in his endeavours that night and in the UTS. What he did, he did with his own accord.
Possibly Clint could have lured him to enter that part of the building for some reason and then what happened happened and he felt guilty at first. Or he could have seen Brian enter that way and looked the other way acting like he hadn't seen him. I think it's more something like that then that he hired someone to kill Brian or that he finished him off himself.

If there is more to what Clint knows, he doesn't necessarily need to be a perpetrator, or in any way the cause of Brian's disappearance. If Brian purposely took off, and had some assistance in doing so, that could be something Clint has knowledge of.

Here it is. Really good to seem some activity on Brian’s case.
What happened to Brian Shaffer? Columbus police continue to work case 14 years after his disappearance

That was worth watching. I'm particularly interested in the fact that when the question was asked "Do you feel that someone that has been interviewed in the past maybe withheld information?" Det. Tucker responded affirmatively. She didn't say "it's possible"... Det. Tucker actually does believe this, but just can't say publicly comment on who that person is.

 

[Old Mozez]

If there is more to what Clint knows, he doesn't necessarily need to be a perpetrator, or in any way the cause of Brian's disappearance. If Brian purposely took off, and had some assistance in doing so, that could be something Clint has knowledge of.

if Clint knows something it’s not something pleasent, like Brian enjoying his life on a paraside island somewhere.
I mean if a drinking buddie, fmr room-mate you havent spoken to in 1,5 month before you go out with asked you to keep a secret as a favor because you wanna disappear and get away, and it ends with Clint changing h is name and moving out of the Columbus area, that’s too much of a favor to ask. Why would you also partecipate in the searches for Brian, as a deceptive maneuver?
It seems everyone got pissed on him after he said Brian was a ladies man on NBC like Randy put it. Just wasn’t worth for him sticking around after Brian was gone. He had his own career and all that to care about. If Brian took off also, why was Clint to take the blame and suffer for it also, didnt seem right to him, he got lawyered up and put the lid on. Goodbye y’all.

 

[Kaie]

if Clint knows something it’s not something pleasent, like Brian enjoying his life on a paraside island somewhere.
I mean if a drinking buddie, fmr room-mate you havent spoken to in 1,5 month before you go out with asked you to keep a secret as a favor because you wanna disappear and get away, and it ends with Clint changing h is name and moving out of the Columbus area, that’s too much of a favor to ask. Why would you also partecipate in the searches for Brian, as a deceptive maneuver?
It seems everyone got pissed on him after he said Brian was a ladies man on NBC like Randy put it. Just wasn’t worth for him sticking around after Brian was gone. He had his own career and all that to care about. If Brian took off also, why was Clint to take the blame and suffer for it also, doesn’t seem right.

That scenario you put forward there is awfully specific, and I was purposefully being very general. Someone deliberately taking off could mean so many things, plenty of them unpleasant. I didn't mention life on a paradise island in my post.

But as far as people, who later become persons of interest, participating in searches of missing people as a deceptive manoeuvre goes... that is as common as dirt.

 

[Old Mozez]

That scenario you put forward there is awfully specific, and I was purposefully being very general. Someone deliberately taking off could mean so many things, plenty of them unpleasant. I didn't mention life on a paradise island in my post.

But as far as people, who later become persons of interest, participating in searches of missing people as a deceptive manoeuvre goes... that is as common as dirt.

With Clint , just saying if he knew something probably that meant Brian was never going to come back, a definitive type of knowledge. With missing persons you never know if the'll show up or not.
He choose not to be around is for sure, but after all it was Brian who decided which friends to pick for whatever situation. Clint clearly wasn't the most reliable figure to be around if you happened to go missing for whatever reason. (This guy isn't really worth any more time, just writing about his behaviour gives me the creeps)