OH - Clermont County father lined up sons 3, 4, and 7, executed with rifle, mother injured trying to protect them, June 2023

  • #161
Why is he crying?
Even after the DA described him chasing down his little boy and bringing him back to kill him (which makes me think he wanted mom to witness it), he didn’t sob. That didn’t happen until AFTER the DA called his act cowardly. Yes. It took a few seconds and didn’t really start until the DA said it was the worst crime he’s ever seen, but I think the term cowardly is what really set him off. I think he felt “relief” when it was described as the worst crime ever, because in his mind, he was justified in punishing his wife because he was pushed over the edge to do the unthinkable.

I notice that twice, he stared hard at the DA. Once when he was called a coward. And the second time when the defendant said something at the end of the hearing that could have been a reference to a mental health evaluation or something. He had a look of defiance on his face when he said that and stared at the DA, like, “Oh you want to call me a coward? No. I was sirven over the edge by that [expletive]. SHE caused me to go crazy and do this.”

He has the mannerisms and demeanor of entitled, rage-filled criminals and domestic abusers I have known.
 
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Yes, I know that, thank you.



Psychosis can be manifesting in many different ways. One can be also criminally insane, yet not psychotic.




He looked like a man content with the work he done well, IMO. Note that he seems to be totally oblivious to his wife, screaming in the background. He is not boasting, not triumphant as a narcissist person who got their revenge would be. He is, well, serene and kinda hollow. That's a raging contrast with the horrible thing he just did.



Exactly.
I disagree that someone can be not guilty by reason of insanity but not psychotic at the time of the crimes.
 
  • #164
I am having a hard time seeing the planning for several months, that LE says occurred. He lined his children up and killed them and then sat on the steps and waited for the police. I can understand if he thought about doing this for several months but if this was the result of planning then he is lousy at it. MOO MOO MOO
It looks like he didn’t plan to escape. Just to murder his kids.
 
  • #165
I hope today on Father's Day the last images of what he did to his Children are haunting him.
Not shooting himself is a damn shame.
 
  • #166
I have no words.
 
  • #167
I honestly feel anger that this abomination of a human being is still exchanging my northern hemispheric oxygen. IMO, He doesn't belong occupying space or time...anymore...ever. Can someone slip him some Jeffrey Epstein how to info? I personally would not be upset if...

MOO

RIP, Three Little Brother Angels

Peace
 
  • #168
I am having a hard time seeing the planning for several months, that LE says occurred. He lined his children up and killed them and then sat on the steps and waited for the police. I can understand if he thought about doing this for several months but if this was the result of planning then he is lousy at it. MOO MOO MOO
Was he keeping his wife prisoner on the front yard with the rifle?
 
  • #169
If I had to guess, I'd say to punish the mother. If he'd wanted to kill her, he wouldn't have left her alive. He wanted her to watch him kill them in front of her, and her be unable to stop him. The cruelty and the suffering all four of the victims endured was the point.

Does Ohio have the DP? Because if it does, there's no way I can see this not qualifying.

MOO
Yes, Ohio does have the DP, and if ever a case should qualify, this would be it. I'm also thinking of the older child, the daughter who escaped. I can't imagine what she'll live with, her mother, too. Those poor babies. For him to go hunt down the one boy who escaped, drag him back to the yard, and execute him in front of witnesses...I have no words.
 
  • #170
I’m heartbroken for the mother and her daughter - I just ache for them! I’m disgusted by this “father” - he and his actions make me want to puke. I admire the police officers who kept their cool with this 🤬🤬🤬. I could not have.

I want to believe he is severely mentally Ill. But my blood boils when the officers tell him to stand up and he doesn’t, he asks to roll over because he is uncomfortable, he says he’s not going to hurt anyone (WTF?) and finally the “CC02” or whatever he said at the end in court. If he really was mentioning CCO in the context of a psychiatric hospital, it makes me believe he is completely sane and calculating.
 
  • #171
For sympathy? Because he's in custody? JMO
‘The most heinous, monstrous crime’: Man accused of killing his 3 sons confesses; prosecutors say he planned it for months

https://twitter.com/evanmillward
Or because he now has to face the consequences of his evil behavior. He had no tears to shed for the sons whose lives he had just ended when he was arrested. That tells me everything I need to know.
 
  • #172
Scary as it is to accept, I think he was calm because he did exactly what he intended to do and achieved the result he had hoped for. And that is frightening as hell.

I don't see mental illness at all. I see control. Abject control.

Not an act of desperation, not a crime of passion, not some misguided delusion -- his method grotesque, his motive simple -- he wanted to hurt his wife spectacularly.

He might have every inbred personality disorder there is, but he is and was IMO fully sane. Just altogether disordered. Living out some corrupt moral code of his own making. Evil, vindictive, void of compassion. Void of humanity. Void of all decency. Barking orders at a dog when he'd just created utter mayhem, the likes of which a dog could never understand. Gunning down his own babies, reign of terror, in broad daylight. There's more humanity in that traumatized canine than in this sorry shape of s father.

That is one sick, jaded, nasty cruel streak, and if it buys him 3 LWOPs, it won't come close to justice enough.

Jmo
This wins best comment ever
 
  • #173
Was he keeping his wife prisoner on the front yard with the rifle?

Before or after? Before I could see it, after he wouldn't need to :(
 
  • #174
Hearing the boys Mom in the background of the police body cam tore me up.
Me too. Her asking over and over if they are all dead -- you could tell she knew but she was so hoping she was wrong. There ought to be a separate charge just for the trauma he has caused Mom and sister.
 
  • #175
Planning a murder and then calmly waiting for cops to arrive doesn’t suggest he “snapped” to me. And why didn’t he kill himself then, if something happened in his life that he couldn’t handle? Instead he takes it out on his three, beautiful little boys? Taking their lives in a terrifying, horrific manner?

Nah. I’m not buying it.
Me either. And he chased whichever one managed to get away briefly. And even then he didn't shoot him where he was, he paraded him back to the house, probably so Mom could watch him die.
 
  • #176
Me too. Her asking over and over if they are all dead -- you could tell she knew but she was so hoping she was wrong. There ought to be a separate charge just for the trauma he has caused Mom and sister.
I totally agree. Her and her Daughter will never unsee or unhear what they witnessed. God Bless them.
Mom saying " their so little" ..I just can't.
 
  • #177
Was he keeping his wife prisoner on the front yard with the rifle?

It is hard to imagine the situation. Mum was shot in the hand trying to wrestle the gun from him. Then he killed the children.

It could be that the mum tried to grab the gun while yelling "run" to the children. Two children ran, one was caught and brought back. Mum suffering from her own gunshot injury, while he killed the three little ones. Older sister running and yelling to try to get help.

After reading that he choked his own father (who then did not show up in court to testify against his son), I think it is possible that the family - especially the mum - were subject to previous unreported DV.


It doesn't sound as if a gunshot to the hand is trivial. It can involve fractures as well as vascular injury.
This National Library of Medicine article says (about hand/wrist gunshot injury) that .... "All patients underwent surgical debridement and repair followed by an early aggressive rehabilitation program. Mean length of hospital stay was 5.0 (±5.1) days, with 9.7% of patients requiring ICU care for 3.3 (±1.4) days,

Outcomes of complex gunshot wounds to the hand and wrist: a 10-year level I urban trauma center experience
 
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  • #178

"He wasn't that type of person," Keith Doerman said. "He was a fun-loving guy."

Though Keith Doerman said he's angry with Chad, he went on to call him a "super father" remembering him laughing and joking with his sons.

"He was a good kid," Keith Doerman said while crying. "It's awful. I can't handle this no more.
Bbm.
My .02 is that he wasn't that great of a dad IF he was facing a divorce or separation ?
Maybe his spouse was planning to leave because she saw the 'real' CD ?
Something happened that put him into a rage, and iirc, this was planned for a while.

Seems disrespectful to hear CD being called a "super father", esp. today !
I realize this is KD's memories of what went before, but I'm sensing he was 'nice' when things were going his way only, and not at other times.
Imo.
 
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