OH - Clermont County father lined up sons 3, 4, and 7, executed with rifle, mother injured trying to protect them, June 2023

[Cindizzi]

I truly hated reading this tonight. I thank my lucky stars my daughter and two grandchildren survived a fire her husband purposely set on Thursday at 3 a.m. while they slept after dousing the home with gasoline. You never think it will happen so close to home. I truly don't understand these men who chose to take the lives of their innocent children to satisfy their own selfish needs. Just sickning.

Oh my God, @PaulaDC I‘m so sorry you and your kids went through that trauma.
I should say are still going through it - I can’t even imagine.

Sending you positive vibes.

 

[gitana1]

If hurting his wife was his goal, why didn't he kill her, too? He had the chance when she tried to take away his gun. Why didn't he kill her daughter? He let her run away.

I can't begin to fathom the emotional trauma they have endured.

JMO

Like others who have murdered their children but left their spouse alive, he wanted her to suffer for life. Killing her would end her suffering.

 

[DeDee]

https://www.fox19.com/2023/06/19/reaction-father-killing-three-young-sons-clermont-county/

“... just disgusted and appalled and it’s heart-wrenching and there’s been so much crime really lately in Clermont County, and it’s just to the point where it’s so disturbing - you can’t not say something about it,” Thomas explained.


I can't imagine lining up my boys so they could be shot in the head with a shotgun.

The Crime Scene (CS) is not clear to me. Were they laying on the ground or did he make them stand? Where was their mother when this was happening? Did the mom hear her husband shooting at the step-daughter? Did she see him chasing the little one into the field?

Fox 19: The children’s mother called 911 and screamed her “babies had been shot,” sheriff’s officials wrote in a news release.

Premed takes the blink of an eye. Was he planning their assassination for a month of longer? Why was he always so angry? Was he unemployable? Did he ever verbally threaten to kill his children? These beautiful children

 

[DeDee]

I truly hated reading this tonight. I thank my lucky stars my daughter and two grandchildren survived a fire her husband purposely set on Thursday at 3 a.m. while they slept after dousing the home with gasoline. You never think it will happen so close to home. I truly don't understand these men who chose to take the lives of their innocent children to satisfy their own selfish needs. Just sickning.

Please know we are thankful your DD and GC survived. As survivors of such a horrendous and terrifying act, they'll need lots of love and reassurance for a long time to come. Is there anything we can do? Is there a fund-raiser, for instance?

 

[BrownRice]

He didn’t kill his wife so she will suffer more.

Yep. Killing her would have been compassionate. She will literally suffer everyday of her life now.

 

[tlcya]

The Doerman brothers, 7, 4, and 3, were inseparable.


“I would see them at the ball park,” Kristen Bennett, president of the New Richmond Youth Sports Association of New Richmond, Ohio, tells PEOPLE.

“They were always playing with each other,” she says. “They got along so well. They were always encouraging each other.”

She remembers how the oldest brother, 7, who was learning how to play baseball, would try to make the middle brother, 4, who was still playing T-ball, feel better if he didn’t hit the ball.


“’That’s no problem,’ I heard him say to him,” says Bennett. “’I struck out too.’”

Their 3-year-old brother was too young to play baseball. “But he loved wearing the oldest brother’s jersey,” she says.

When the boys weren’t at baseball practice or at school, they were usually at home. “If I drove by there, I would see them playing outside in the yard.”
3 Young Boys Shot and Killed by Dad Had Strong Bond: ‘Always Encouraging Each Other’

 

[Teche]

I truly hated reading this tonight. I thank my lucky stars my daughter and two grandchildren survived a fire her husband purposely set on Thursday at 3 a.m. while they slept after dousing the home with gasoline. You never think it will happen so close to home. I truly don't understand these men who chose to take the lives of their innocent children to satisfy their own selfish needs. Just sickning.

Hopefully, your daughter and grandchildren are safe. Sending prayers.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

If hurting his wife was his goal, why didn't he kill her, too? He had the chance when she tried to take away his gun. Why didn't he kill her daughter? He let her run away.

I can't begin to fathom the emotional trauma they have endured.

JMO

This article says she was running down the street screaming. No mention of him shooting at her. If his goal was to make the mother suffer as some are theorizing, it makes no sense that he allowed both the mother and her daughter to live.

The father ran after the son who ran away, brought him back and executed him.

JMO

Ohio man charged with murder after 3 young sons found shot, surviving daughter screaming her father was 'killing everyone'

Three brothers, aged 3, 4 and 7, were found shot at a home in Monroe Township Thursday. Their mother was also shot in the hand, officials said.

www.nbcnews.com

Dispatch had received two alarming calls Thursday just after 4 p.m.: One from a woman yelling “her babies had been shot” and another from a person driving who reported seeing a girl running down the road “stating that ‘her father was killing everyone,’” the release said.

Killing her doesn't hurt her, it just makes her dead, there's no power in that for him.
Of course it makes sense that he let the mother live, that is her punishment, to live everyday of the rest of her life without her children, very likely knowing that he killed them to spite her, and with the daughter he wins either way, because if he managed to kill her as he was shooting after her he hurts his wife, and even with her left alive, she is traumatised forever and Mum will blame herself for that too.

 

[ch_13]

This article says she was running down the street screaming. No mention of him shooting at her. If his goal was to make the mother suffer as some are theorizing, it makes no sense that he allowed both the mother and her daughter to live.

The father ran after the son who ran away, brought him back and executed him.

JMO

Ohio man charged with murder after 3 young sons found shot, surviving daughter screaming her father was 'killing everyone'

Three brothers, aged 3, 4 and 7, were found shot at a home in Monroe Township Thursday. Their mother was also shot in the hand, officials said.

www.nbcnews.com

Dispatch had received two alarming calls Thursday just after 4 p.m.: One from a woman yelling “her babies had been shot” and another from a person driving who reported seeing a girl running down the road “stating that ‘her father was killing everyone,’” the release said.

The girl was his step-daughter, not his own flesh-and-blood. Maybe that made a difference in his mind. Or maybe he didn't ascribe the same value to a girl vs the boys.

But people who commit these sorts of crimes have disordered thinking. Trying to rationalize their thought process is always going to be an exercise in frustration.

 

[Megnut]

I shudder to think what he may have been saying as he was shooting. Guessing anything he said would have been designed by him for maximum effect/pain. Likely cruel beyond cruel.

Guessing that the mother tried desperately to intervene, resulting in the injury to her hand. Guessing too the mother managed to yell RUN. Two did. IMO the only reason the stepdaughter survived is because the murderer couldn't run after two children simultaneously. She ran faster, she ran farther. She outran the bullet/s intended for her.

IMO the murderer had no intention of leaving the mother with anything to hold onto.

I suspect we'll learn divorce was in the air and the thought of shared custody, visitation, child support, another man in the sons' lives was more than he cared to shoulder. Take his own life? Then she wins. (In his twisted mind.) Kill her? No, kill everything she loves because (again, in his demented mind) she was "killing" everything that mattered to him. So he showed her.

I hate this story. Hate hate hate.

Marriages end. People divorce. Children live.

He could've worked through it like a million other dads have.

He didn't snap. He was a monster under the denim the whole time.

Jmo

 

[PaulaDC]

Oh my God, @PaulaDC I‘m so sorry you and your kids went through that trauma.
I should say are still going through it - I can’t even imagine.

Sending you positive vibes.

Thank you. Much appreciated.

 

[NyxNY]

I read that the death penalty has been suspended in Ohio at the moment, waiting for an alternative to lethal injection, so would they still seek the DP?. I'm not usually pro DP, but I do occasionally find myself making exceptions and this waste of skin is one of them, so I hope so.

Hoping for the alternative method to be by firing squad. Like they did in Idaho. MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

In my opinion I don't see mental illness, other than being a worthless bully changing it up to murder, because even constantly yelling at the whole family didn't work anymore. As others have guessed, I too think we'll find out she was leaving.

He was manipulative from when the le arrived, shouting at the dog, asking to be repositioned because he was uncomfortable (!). (And his being within a few yards of his executed kids!!). Then asking the cop to take out his wallet, why? And what we suspect he was referring to in court. This wasn't a guy numb with the realization of what he did. He was content.

Those tears weren't for sorrow. Imo, rather for affect. Notice he openly grits his teeth during his brief tear episode, I don't think a tooth display would accompany sudden grief hitting a person who snapped. Instead it would be sudden slack mouth. He had plenty of time before the tears to realize he had "snapped", imo.

I'm curious if he had a history of rejection by women who always left after seeing past the farm boy good looks. Also I suspect he could never keep a job with his angry personality.

 

[cvaldez1975]

If hurting his wife was his goal, why didn't he kill her, too? He had the chance when she tried to take away his gun. Why didn't he kill her daughter? He let her run away.

I can't begin to fathom the emotional trauma they have endured.

JMO

so she had to live w it. also, he prob treated her daughter as less than because she wasnt his. spec only his wife was done w him so he was going to take back what HE gave her.

 

[tlcya]

so she had to live w it. also, he prob treated her daughter as less than because she wasnt his. spec only his wife was done w him so he was going to take back what HE gave her.

agree with this theory 100%

The girl wasn't "his" but the boys were and his wife was not going to keep "his" boys. He'd kill them first. Narc tendencies. They view their children as possessions, not people.

 

[TxLady2]

If hurting his wife was his goal, why didn't he kill her, too? He had the chance when she tried to take away his gun. Why didn't he kill her daughter? He let her run away.

I can't begin to fathom the emotional trauma they have endured.

J

None of us know or have all the answers, we're just guessing but IMO, killing his wife would have been too easy, he wanted her to suffer for a long, long time.

 

[MyBelle]

None of us know or have all the answers, we're just guessing but IMO, killing his wife would have been too easy, he wanted her to suffer for a long, long time.

Still too much I don't know for me to try to guess at this point.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

Hoping for the alternative method to be by firing squad. Like they did in Idaho. MOO

AFAIK, Governor DeWine and our state legislators in Ohio are not considering death by firing squad as an alternative for the death penalty. At least I hope not.

 

[PaulaDC]

Please know we are thankful your DD and GC survived. As survivors of such a horrendous and terrifying act, they'll need lots of love and reassurance for a long time to come. Is there anything we can do? Is there a fund-raiser, for instance?

No fundraiser. Thank you for offering. I doubt her home owners insurance will cover this. She can't even get them to house her. It takes time to sort through everything. Her house is condemned and she lives almost 2 hours from me. I'll head back up and organize her trunk so she can move around. She wants to keep her kids in school and keep her job. It's going to be challenging. I just hate that all these children suffer so needlessly.

 

[gitana1]

The girl was his step-daughter, not his own flesh-and-blood. Maybe that made a difference in his mind. Or maybe he didn't ascribe the same value to a girl vs the boys.

But people who commit these sorts of crimes have disordered thinking. Trying to rationalize their thought process is always going to be an exercise in frustration.

She doesn't "belong" to him. That's why he didn't kill her. Either that or she was old enough to flee when she saw what was happening.