OH - Emily Noble, 52, Westerville, 24 May 2020 *husband not guilty*

[IceIce9]

Question for anyone familiar with cadaver dogs: would they not be able to find the scent of a body in a tree?

 

[2dozen]

North side of County Line between State and McCorkle. It's directly opposite Nature Trail, which is the entrance to the Ravines at Windemere.

Edited to add: Welcome, 2Dozen!

Thank you! That’s what I thought. I literally walk by that place every morning after work. (I work night shift.) she was definitely not there all summer.

 

[2dozen]

The little patch of woods between her condo and the pedestrian/bike path bridge over County Line. There is a green 'box' (utilities?) on the sidewalk and the area is right behind it

what condos did she live in? There’s quite a few different ones right in that area.

 

[K9Enzo]

Question for anyone familiar with cadaver dogs: would they not be able to find the scent of a body in a tree?

IMO, a well trained HRD dog absolutely smells the decomp, even in a tree. Actually in this case the remains are not even concealed in anything. These dogs train in various environmental conditions with remains put in different scenarios - car, water, buried in dirt, tall thick brush, really any scenario that will reflect 'real life' potential mission conditions.

My disclaimer is always that the dog is well trained but more importantly, the handler that's at the end of that leash, that has trained a solid TFR and knows how to read their dog. Did the dog not even alert? Did the dog alert but searchers didn't locate her?

IMO - it really doesn't mean much to me when LE says we searched this area 3 times. We the public don't know the details of how this search was conducted.

I would imagine the handlers of the dogs used are going through their mission records to see what went wrong, what was missed, etc. IMO, this should all be documented. Or maybe she wasn't there when they searched.

Again, this is all my opinion only.

 

[Truman]

what condos did she live in? There’s quite a few different ones right in that area.

She lived on Abbeycross Ln, the condos on the same side of the street from where she was found, they run right along County Line up to State. The 'find Emily' sign at the corner is right at the end of her condo development. I hope that makes sense!

 

[Coffiecat]

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The utility boxes tell where LE was staged, at the edge of the wooded area. I hit Google Streets, checked other times, and as expected, the June shots show what Spring in the region is like. The vegetation in late May in Ohio‬‏‏, my neighbor to the South, is intensely growing, from ground to treetops. I noticed adjectives being added to the search description, that may not reflect the reality... Without knowing who searched, or how diligently, where the dog(s) were used, the competence of dog and handler, ad nauseam, it's a pretty big leap to suggest a body being moved. Heck, half the population spends the Fall hiding in the woods here. The spot had high traffic around it, but a few yards in to the underbrush, things can hide. Decomp odor was addressed, distance, weather, body fat/mass.

It's too far to carry a body from the condo, unseen, no handy place to park and unload, and too close for me to think a killer would take her from the condo to there. All IMO

Now, an attack of opportunity, despite the respectability of the area, makes a lot more sense. To me, at least.

But not as much as self harm.

 

[evilwise]

Cadaver dogs are not even close to 100% effective. I write this post a lot because we see time and time again that hounds fail - more often than they succeed in these especially difficult cases that make their way to being heavily discussed in this forum.

On top of that, remember that Emily was most likely up in a tree and the gases that hounds are trained to indicate are lighter than air.

You absolutely, positively cannot take hounds having previously swept an area to mean that a body was moved.

 

[Truman]

Cadaver dogs are not even close to 100% effective. I write this post a lot because we see time and time again that hounds fail - more often than they succeed in these especially difficult cases that make their way to being heavily discussed in this forum.

On top of that, remember that Emily was most likely up in a tree and the gases that hounds are trained to indicate are lighter than air.

You absolutely, positively cannot take hounds having previously swept an area to mean that a body was moved.

Very helpful insight, thank you.

Quick question - are handlers always physically present with cadaver dogs? That is, do handlers ever turn dogs loose on a property and wait for an audible or visual signal? Or are the dogs always on leads?

 

[K9Enzo]

Very helpful insight, thank you.

Quick question - are handlers always physically present with cadaver dogs? That is, do handlers ever turn dogs loose on a property and wait for an audible or visual signal? Or are the dogs always on leads?

I’d like to take a shot at your question & give my opinion.

IMO - The handler is responsible for their dog & always present. These dogs where gps tracking collars that the handler can see in live time (the dogs working tracks are downloaded and reviewed later as well) & the handler will cast them off to search without a leash, mostly. But the handler is not usually far behind & usually have eyes on their dog. Some go out of eye sight. It really depends on the handler and dog. Obedience is a big deal. They will leash them when appropriate on a long lead. Some handlers train the final alert as a bark, some a sit, I have even seen some train the dog to come and jump on them. They sometimes have a Flanker which keeps track of their location, communicates back to ICS & really keeps the mission safe. It’s nice if you have one because you can focus solely on your dog. Not all do.

Trailing dogs (looking for a specific live person) are often times leashed (not always) because they are nose to the ground (mostly) and can really get away from you, especially while in odor.

Some folks get disappointed in the dogs but IMO they are a very valuable tool that LE request to use time & time again. I could give plenty of positive find stories but they don’t have a msm article I can site. They didn’t make prime time news. So this is all my opinion.

 

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[Truman]

I’d like to take a shot at your question & give my opinion.

IMO - The handler is responsible for their dog & always present. These dogs where gps tracking collars that the handler can see in live time (the dogs working tracks are downloaded and reviewed later as well) & the handler will cast them off to search without a leash, mostly. But the handler is not usually far behind & usually have eyes on their dog. Some go out of eye sight. It really depends on the handler and dog. Obedience is a big deal. They will leash them when appropriate on a long lead. Some handlers train the final alert as a bark, some a sit, I have even seen some train the dog to come and jump on them. They sometimes have a Flanker which keeps track of their location, communicates back to ICS & really keeps the mission safe. It’s nice if you have one because you can focus solely on your dog. Not all do.

Trailing dogs (looking for a specific live person) are often times leashed (not always) because they are nose to the ground (mostly) and can really get away from you, especially while in odor.

Some folks get disappointed in the dogs but IMO they are a very valuable tool that LE request to use time & time again. I could give plenty of positive find stories but they don’t have a msm article I can site. They didn’t make prime time news. So this is all my opinion.

Thank you for the very helpful and thoughtful reply.

The lot where Emily was found is quite small, about two acres. With discussion about cadaver dogs possibly missing her scent because she might have been above ground, I was confused by how a human handler would visually miss her, regardless of the dog alerting or not.

Perhaps the dog(s) had on a gps collar like you stated, and a handler wasn't physically with the dog.

It seems strange this would be the case, since a) the location is directly adjacent to where Emily was last seen, and would therefore be a high-priority area to search, b) the lot is small enough to be canvassed in a fairly short period of time, and c) in late May, the foliage would not make the lot exceedingly difficult for a human handler to navigate. I wonder when that lot was searched? Perhaps not until late June or July, when poison ivy etc might dissuade a handler from walking through with his/her dog?

I'm not making any suggestions, I honestly don't even have a theory. It's just astonishing that she was right there.

 

[HannahHistory]

I am glad she has been found- I have been following this case closely. Sad of the outcome, she was well respected and loved in her community it seems.

 

[kelsie]

Friends, family hold vigil to honor Emily Noble | NBC4 WCMH-TV
Noble’s friends said she loved watching the sunset, so that’s when the vigil will begin at Hoover Reservoir.

Noble loved nature and photography.

Her sister-in-law said she was the kind of person who could make anyone in a room feel like they are the most important there.

Family and friends organize vigil for Emily Noble | 10tv.com
Friends of Emily Noble honor her at Kossuth Street Garden
As friends wait for positive identification, they honored her in one of her favorite places on Saturday.

"Emily was a huge spirit," said Sioux Cavanaugh, who says she met Emily in the '90s at Ohio State. "Whenever we saw something we wanted to do, we just bought two tickets because I was taking her, or she was taking me, and we just stayed in touch."

They plotted a juniper plant in her name. "Grow my little friend. You are Emily to us," Doody said as he placed it into the ground. "For Emily we're going to memorialize her in one of her favorite ways and that's nature."

The group also plotted another plant in honor of the lives lost to COVID-19.

 

[Truman]

Update: DNA confirmation of Emily's remains, still no cause of death.

DNA confirms body found in Westerville is Emily Noble | NBC4 WCMH-TV

 

[oviedo]

Update: DNA confirmation of Emily's remains, still no cause of death.

DNA confirms body found in Westerville is Emily Noble | NBC4 WCMH-TV

Lawsuit seeks to take control of Emily Noble’s finances away from husband | NBC4 WCMH-TV

so now my question is did she have a Will? if not, under intestate law in OH - who inherits? my guess is her husband.

Interesting timeline IMO
married in August 2018, POA to husband in May 2019, missing in May 2020 and now confirmed deceased. She never put the condo in both their names.
JMO

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

So sad... for those with doubts that this happens... please take a minute to learn about Leanne Bearden.
Found Deceased - TX - Leanne Bearden, 33, Garden Ridge, 17 Jan 2014 #11

People who are making travel plans, growing flowers, having children, caring for loved ones, working amazing jobs... they do commit suicide too.

It happens... there is no road map, there are no absolutes. Please don't assume that because someone has an awesome vacation scheduled, just got a hair cut, just got married, won the lottery, promised you they'd never kill themselves... it happens...

 

[Cagle]

Emily Noble ‘selfless, caring’: a year after disappearance no final autopsy report | NBC4 WCMH-TV

A year after Westerville woman Emily Noble was reported missing, the final autopsy report is not complete.

Westerville Police Department said in a statement: “WPD is considering the investigation ongoing and awaiting a final report on the autopsy.”

Delaware County Prosecutor told NBC4 it has “no updates at this time.”

A lawsuit has been filed in Delaware County Courts in regards to Noble’s estate.

 

[Dre]

So sad... for those with doubts that this happens... please take a minute to learn about Leanne Bearden.
Found Deceased - TX - Leanne Bearden, 33, Garden Ridge, 17 Jan 2014 #11

People who are making travel plans, growing flowers, having children, caring for loved ones, working amazing jobs... they do commit suicide too.

It happens... there is no road map, there are no absolutes. Please don't assume that because someone has an awesome vacation scheduled, just got a hair cut, just got married, won the lottery, promised you they'd never kill themselves... it happens...

Exactly! totally agree @AzPistonsGirl !

someone on a different thread had said something along the lines of:

taking ones life is not an event usually planned for, its a continual, and sometimes constant urge that one is fighting and battling, struggling with moment by moment, day by day, and sometimes, they succumb.

I thought that illustrated the concept quite well for those of use who don't know those depths of depression. moo

 

[Acorunadepor]

Emily Noble ‘selfless, caring’: a year after disappearance no final autopsy report | NBC4 WCMH-TV

Very moving that her friend wrote a song for her.

 

[K9Enzo]

Emily Noble’s Husband, Matheau Moore, charged with murder | NBC4 WCMH-TV