OH OH - Harley Dilly, 14, walking to Port Clinton High School, 20 Dec 2019 #2

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Long time lurker, but wanted to post as this one hits closer to home. I have a 13yo with OCD and have been following this case hoping for a positive outcome.

Few things that stand out:

- His constant presence on SM. As others here have pointed out, the fact he has not posted at all since his disappearance does not bode well. If he was hiding out somewhere, wether at a friend's house or on his own he most likely would not be able to resist posting somewhere.

- His reaction in the past when his devices were taken - very angry if the cops had to be called. I find it interesting he went missing when he didn't have his phone. Too coincidental. IMO they are linked. SM was his lifeline.

- leaving so early for school. Did he usually leave at that time? We live too close for bus service and usually kids are out walking around the same time, 30 - 45 minutes before school starts. Were other kids walking around the same time HD was?

- His size. As a 9th grades at 4'9", he would be quite small compared to the average 9th grader. This fact and also that no trail can be found can lean towards abduction.

- His dad's explosive temper as referenced in one of the YouTube videos. If they had fights in the past about revoking devices as punishment, where the police were actually called, maybe something similar happened this time around.

My kid will ask to stay home a lot. School is tough when battling OCD. I wonder if being denied his request to stay home, coupled with not having his devices, had him leaving for school pretty angry that morning. Maybe he made an impulsive decision to get back at his parents somehow, wether by sabotage or running away. And since he is young and probably didn't have the best judgment, it turned out tragic. His clothing choice to me doesn't play into it much, as most teen boys seem to be clueless as to what they should wear in certain weather. I am constantly reminding mine to bring gloves/hat.

I do remember that story in Cleavand I think, where those poor women where held hostage for 10 years!! So there is hope that perhaps his size tricked an abductor into thinking he was younger and grabbed him. But I am more inclined to believe he left angry that morning and either made a choice in anger or had a confrontation that turned tragic. The closeby landfill makes me feel uneasy.

JMO - thanks for reading!

There are certain types of personalities that thrive on reigning over chaos. They stir things up, get everyone around them riled up and battling with others in the family or workplace, and then lord over all that chaos as Boss Omnipresence. Those personalities also tend to fabricate and/or embellish things to add to the drama and they always place themselves in the center of it all in the hero or victim role. My late sister was such a person.

There are some signs that we are dealing with some of these personality factors here:

Harley speaks in one of his YouTube videos about an episode at home where he was really worried because his mom said she called the police. Harley says that he spoke to his mentor or the VP of the school (I can't remember which) and that person said that Harley's mom was not being truthful; she hadn't really called the police. It was as though that person was subtly informing Harley, "Your mom says whatever works to manipulate you and in this case it was that she called the police." It's unlikely a person in that position would venture such an evaluation if that person hadn't themselves observed that kind of manipulation.

In the argument between his parents that occurs in the background of one of Harley's livestreams, an accident happens involving a spilled soda. Dad explodes in anger about the mess all over the table, including the electronics. Mom tells him to just clean it up and reprimands Dad, reminding him he's dealing with someone only 4-years old and Dad responds by claiming that the 4-year old who caused it "knew what he was doing." The argument continues for several minutes, with much profanity back and forth, some indication that Dad grabs what he believes to be Mom's phone, presumably to do something with it (she tells him it belongs to a friend), and then she says something about getting some doctor involved to get Dad out of the house. So, a small accident and mess turns into a big argument, with Mom threatening to involve third parties to discipline Dad. Harley apologizes to his livestream followers and says, "My dad's being an a**hole," and signs out, saying he has to deal with his family. Minor accident, huge blowup, ONLY Dad is the problem, and Harley to the rescue.

Police have been called to the home at least five times, twice involving an "unruly juvenile." Each time the family is settled down and the police leave.

A child disappears from the home and his absence is not reported for at least 41 hours (if the parent's story and the video shot truly evidence HD was home Friday morning) and when the disappearance is reported, it is nearly midnight (so searching is hindered by darkness). So, a long delay from disappearance to report despite the school attempting to reach Mom early Friday and despite the fact that she says her son claimed to be ill that morning. She claims she missed the calls because her phone is broken and her voicemail is full, a story which could plausibly explain why a notification of a missed school call did not reach her to raise alarms, but which does not explain her complete lack of concern for a child who had claimed to be ill the morning he went missing.

Missing child report is made on Facebook and MISSTATES a critical fact (time of disappearance and location last seen) Misstatement moves both the time and the location further away from the family and home than independent evidence does. Misstatement cannot plausibly be checked out by calling school or others at midnight.

See how this all works? One example of bended truth, okay. Two, maybe. But, at some point all the chaos and truth-bending just doesn't make any logical sense.
 
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There’s one hang up that keeps coming back to me.

Mom says she talked to Harley at 6:50am.
Surveillance cam time is 6:08am.

While it’s possible that mom is just mistaken on the time being half asleep, her time actually seems more in line with and realistic for when he would have left for school.

I think this part of it is significant.

So possibly he left his house earlier,maybe bumped into someone,went back in and asked to stay home is told no and then leaves again?
 
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I keep going back to what Harley said in the video where he is locked outside.
He says, very defeatedly,

If you knew what was going on in my life…

I think this simple comment speaks volumes.
 
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A couple of more possibilities:
  • HD headed southeast instead of southwest from the alley.
  • HD went to a location situated somewhere b/t the alley and the school.
JMO.

How can you make his making it out if the alley without being seen on the hospital surveillance?

Um, can a local please visit the hospital parking lot and give us and diagram of the parking lot and no location of cameras? Tia
 
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I keep going back to what Harley said in the video where he is locked outside.
He says, very defeatedly,

If you knew what was going on in my life…

I think this simple comment speaks volumes.
Yes, it seems he had his plate full for a child of his age. Sadly, in the “me” society of today, the needs of children don’t seem properly prioritized in many cases.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
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I think I will have to take a break from WS if he is found deceased. I am too involved with this kid's disappearance. He just seems so good and funny and it's heartbreaking, everything he has had to deal with.

My mom used to lock me out of the house as a manipulation tactic also. I cried watching Harley's video. I completely understand how that feels. You feel, honestly, unloved, unheard, uncared for.

I wonder if Harley ran away on purpose at first and then got lost. That's a fear of mine.
 
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(((Hugs))) to you Kelsie :(
 
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There’s one hang up that keeps coming back to me.

Mom says she talked to Harley at 6:50am.
Surveillance cam time is 6:08am.

While it’s possible that mom is just mistaken on the time being half asleep, her time actually seems more in line with and realistic for when he would have left for school.

I think this part of it is significant.

okay whoa. What if he left, was caught on camera at 6:08, then came back, talked to mom and left again, heading for a different route that was not picked up on camera. Is that a possibility?
 
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How can you make his making it out if the alley without being seen on the hospital surveillance?

Um, can a local please visit the hospital parking lot and give us and diagram of the parking lot and no location of cameras? Tia

Who says HD's route that morning was such that he would be caught on hospital surveillance cameras walking to school, though?

I'm not making that assumption.
 
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Where are you Harley? This case is just heartbreaking... I cannot help but wonder if we have anywhere near the truth...and that may very well be the reason we can’t figure out what happened. I really hope that LE has much more than they are sharing with us and that soon there will be clarity and accountability. I believe it’s possible that someone close to Harley has harmed him ... my own opinion of course. Hugs to Harley.
 
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There’s one hang up that keeps coming back to me.

Mom says she talked to Harley at 6:50am.
Surveillance cam time is 6:08am.

While it’s possible that mom is just mistaken on the time being half asleep, her time actually seems more in line with and realistic for when he would have left for school.

I think this part of it is significant.


Where did you she see talked to him at 6:50 am ? I thought it was between 6-7am .

Port Clinton PD holds press conference regarding missing 14-year-old boy at about the 9:55 mark says between 6-7am
 
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Maybe HD really, really did not want to go to school, and doubled back home, creating further complications.
I actually thought this myself thinking that mom was not supposed to be home. I guess she works out of her house though.
 
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okay whoa. What if he left, was caught on camera at 6:08, then came back, talked to mom and left again, heading for a different route that was not picked up on camera. Is that a possibility?

I keep thinking of the "I didn't see him, I spoke to him. There's a difference"

So he was captured on camera just after 6am but maybe spoke to his mum a little later?
 
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How can you make his making it out if the alley without being seen on the hospital surveillance?

Um, can a local please visit the hospital parking lot and give us and diagram of the parking lot and no location of cameras? Tia

I can't do a diagram, but I can say I've seen a camera from the hospital which points North directly down the alley.
 
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okay whoa. What if he left, was caught on camera at 6:08, then came back, talked to mom and left again, heading for a different route that was not picked up on camera. Is that a possibility?

Or maybe he never left a second time.
 
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Or maybe he never left a second time.

Maybe he never left at all.
Maybe he never came home Thursday night from his friends house.
There are way to many " maybe" theories and speculation due to misleading and changing information being provided.
 
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There are certain types of personalities that thrive on reigning over chaos. They stir things up, get everyone around them riled up and battling with others in the family or workplace, and then lord over all that chaos as Boss Omnipresence. Those personalities also tend to fabricate and/or embellish things to add to the drama and they always place themselves in the center of it all in the hero or victim role. My late sister was such a person.

There are some signs that we are dealing with some of these personality factors here:

Harley speaks in one of his YouTube videos about an episode at home where he was really worried because his mom said she called the police. Harley says that he spoke to his mentor or the VP of the school (I can't remember which) and that person said that Harley's mom was not being truthful; she hadn't really called the police. It was as though that person was subtly informing Harley, "Your mom says whatever works to manipulate you and in this case it was that she called the police." It's unlikely a person in that position would venture such an evaluation if that person hadn't themselves observed that kind of manipulation.

In the argument between his parents that occurs in the background of one of Harley's livestreams, an accident happens involving a spilled soda. Dad explodes in anger about the mess all over the table, including the electronics. Mom tells him to just clean it up and reprimands Dad, reminding him he's dealing with someone only 4-years old and Dad responds by claiming that the 4-year old who caused it "knew what he was doing." The argument continues for several minutes, with much profanity back and forth, some indication that Dad grabs what he believes to be Mom's phone, presumably to do something with it (she tells him it belongs to a friend), and then she says something about getting some doctor involved to get Dad out of the house. So, a small accident and mess turns into a big argument, with Mom threatening to involve third parties to discipline Dad. Harley apologizes to his livestream followers and says, "My dad's being an a**hole," and signs out, saying he has to deal with his family. Minor accident, huge blowup, ONLY Dad is the problem, and Harley to the rescue.

Police have been called to the home at least five times, twice involving an "unruly juvenile." Each time the family is settled down and the police leave.

A child disappears from the home and his absence is not reported for at least 41 hours (if the parent's story and the video shot truly evidence HD was home Friday morning) and when the disappearance is reported, it is nearly midnight (so searching is hindered by darkness). So, a long delay from disappearance to report despite the school attempting to reach Mom early Friday and despite the fact that she says her son claimed to be ill that morning. She claims she missed the calls because her phone is broken and her voicemail is full, a story which could plausibly explain why a notification of a missed school call did not reach her to raise alarms, but which does not explain her complete lack of concern for a child who had claimed to be ill the morning he went missing.

Missing child report is made on Facebook and MISSTATES a critical fact (time of disappearance and location last seen) Misstatement moves both the time and the location further away from the family and home than independent evidence does. Misstatement cannot plausibly be checked out by calling school or others at midnight.

See how this all works? One example of bended truth, okay. Two, maybe. But, at some point all the chaos and truth-bending just doesn't make any logical sense.

Well said! I think the household was toxic and has been toxic for quite some time. I so hope Harley is safe <modsnip: not victim friendly>

JMO
 
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I've just had a really bad thought about this case.

What if Harley was posting somewhere on the dark web, like 4Chan or one of those type platforms?

4chan is not the dark web, and in spite of its reputation is largely innocuous. Here is a link, knock yourself out!
While I believe it is possible for a 14 year old to know what the dark web is and how to access it, Harley doesn't have the presence/trail (or total lack of one) I have personally seen in dark web users. That doesn't mean he didn't, just that it isn't likely. IMO if he is with an online friend, they are from discord/game clan.

18 degrees outside! HD was definitely meeting someone in a car or going over to someone's house. doubt HD was walking to wood hideout or walking to let off some steam without more clothing. maybe he was going to talk to someone he confides in about the recent confiscation of his cell phone. A school teacher, counselor, coach, or internet friend, or parent of one of his friends, etc.? his phone was gone, so HD only had xbox , school, and possibly social media/email to communicate. if he was meeting someone, there has to be record of it somewhere.

Careful using 'definitely'- we totally don't know what happened. I have had fights as a kid where I left in leggings and a sweater only to be mad at myself 30 mins later when I had to duck into an open business to warm my hands because I wasn't ready to go home. Which brings me to...

I keep going back to what Harley said in the video where he is locked outside.
He says, very defeatedly,

If you knew what was going on in my life…

I think this simple comment speaks volumes.

I can't get this one out of my mind either. Not gonna lie, I can totally see her locking him out in what he was said to be wearing.

A person posted on Talk of Port Clinton (Original) Facebook site yesterday or day before that she heard a pack of coyotes in the morning near Wilcox Rd (which is a few blocks south of the high school and is south of the freeway). She said that has seen a coyote on Fulton Rd, which is the road that passes east of the high school.
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When we start to reach for explanations like coyotes or mountain lions (or sasquatch or missing manhole covers) it is usually because the person is hidden, not just missing. IMO Harley is with someone and never wants to go home, or he is deceased and concealed. I don't know why the chief thinks offering a personal phone call will appeal to this poor kid. Tell him to reach out so they can help him and promise him he will be safe and cared for and not in any trouble. Of course...if he is already feeling safe, he has 0 incentive to ever resurface. I hope if he is alive, he is warm and happy.
 
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