Found Deceased OH - Joey LaBute, 26, Columbus, 4 March 2016 #2

[eric136]

For some reason with the passage of the time, I keep going to strangulation, with decomp preventing discovery.

Dont know why just the way it has gone along, I think this was someone very familiar to Joey as oppossed to a stranger murder. Stagulation fits IMO, a very up close and personal rage fueleld (and or substance enhanced) altercation that went "wronger" than intially thought.

There was no scuffle as far as we know in ters of him getting into vehicle. I visualize an issue, they were gonna go process it, sounds as if Joey was bright, and as they are driving along he starts to really realize , this could be very bad indeed.

Look at his age - those folks can text while chained to a wall!! The jibberish final text , I have this image of someone losing control and escalating, and he made a last ditch effort to let folks know who he was with.

just specualting-- and humm humm or possible characters, if we go by texts that evening is pretty small.

"Lying" in an context can often end up in some sort of confrontation very generally speaking.

"Lying" can never be experienced as a postive "thing". Throw in some jealousy, add a pinch of rage, throw in some feelings of betryal, add in alochol and we end up in a pretty typical sitution that often does not end up well

He def looked as if he was totally READY to leave the club, which only recently hit me --the other day was the first time i had seen video as oppossed to stills.

It def had the pace, the getting through the crowds, as if he was going elsewhere -- the way through the crowd I found very telling and not typically what crusing "looks" like, or is.

Understandably someone who accidently killed someone would be freaked, near water, and it certainly is congruent with keeping ones mouth shut.

There are some pretty high strung/drama queens out there in gayland!! Dont mess with em they can become dangeroues moo


Years ago , unfornutly , I had an encounter with one such individual!!! He was wearing really strange jeans, and I was just being campy- well she walked her little tussie right over to me and flipped me over her shoulder and left me on the ground. Obvioulsy she was escorted from the premises!! I will never forget it - it was so, in terms of all of us throwing around camp -way out of porportion to the stuff going back and forth between several of us!! Wham. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

speculation

"He def looked as if he was totally READY to leave the club, which only recently hit me --the other day was the first time i had seen video as oppossed to stills"

Where is the video ?.

 

[eric136]

I was in Union today following the Doo Dah Parade. It was the first time i had been in there since Joey came up missing. Actually, the first time in about a year.
The distance between the bar seats and the tables (tables permanently built in place) allows for 2 people to walk abreast and no more than that. I don't understand how the cousins and friends he was with that night did not see him walk by. They would have been right on top of him and everyone else that was walking back and forth. And he would have seen them. I know it was the Arnold fitness weekend and it would have been very busy that night. No matter how busy they were, only 2 people can fit abreast between the bar seats and the tables.

They must have been looking in the opposite direction right at the same moment that he was walking by. IMO

 

[CARIIS]

"He def looked as if he was totally READY to leave the club, which only recently hit me --the other day was the first time i had seen video as oppossed to stills"

Where is the video ?.

Hi Eric!

Sorry I thought it had been posted:

In locating for you guys , watched again, he is def LEAVING!!

I dont know why, correct me if I am wrong, for some reason the leaving part is signfigant to me. Cousins said he said he was going to get a drink. There is not drink in his hand. And just the pace of his walking and dodging people, in several instances he does a gentle "push" aside to those he is getting past. He appears IMO, pissed. Its angry body language, angry walking, dodging ahead - if that make any sense-- that is only my take tho

Does it look angry to you??

First watching I thought HAD to pee! But the exit after the bathroom is at the same frnetic place - its not a social, or cruising pace, IMO it is have to be somewhere. Throw the ""lie" in.

Check out datestamps pls!!

He just "looks" angry...............

Did not seem busy at all, maybe just picking up

http://www.10tv.com/article/police-...ention-joey-labute-case-during-pride-festival

 

[CARIIS]

Do you know what I just realzed?

The lying stuff is about Chad.


????

On the text below refreah my memory -- who exactly is he texting to here? Did we ever know??




https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...NzNAhVEbSYKHVq8CHQQMwhmKD4wPg&iact=mrc&uact=8

 

[mpnola]

Hi Eric!

Sorry I thought it had been posted:

In locating for you guys , watched again, he is def LEAVING!!

I dont know why, correct me if I am wrong, for some reason the leaving part is signfigant to me. Cousins said he said he was going to get a drink. There is not drink in his hand. And just the pace of his walking and dodging people, in several instances he does a gentle "push" aside to those he is getting past. He appears IMO, pissed. Its angry body language, angry walking, dodging ahead - if that make any sense-- that is only my take tho

Does it look angry to you??

First watching I thought HAD to pee! But the exit after the bathroom is at the same frnetic place - its not a social, or cruising pace, IMO it is have to be somewhere. Throw the ""lie" in.

Check out datestamps pls!!

He just "looks" angry...............

Did not seem busy at all, maybe just picking up

http://www.10tv.com/article/police-...ention-joey-labute-case-during-pride-festival

There was a lot of info in there I don't remember being stated, although it is all stuff we have speculated:

"We're fairly certain somebody was with him and we need to know who that was and they need to come forward and if they don't come forward we're going to find them eventually," Sgt. Dave Sicilian of Columbus Police said.

Sgt. Sicilian confirms officers have reasons to believe LaBute may have gotten into a car with someone who is refusing to come forward, possibly someone who was visiting from another city.

"When we looked at the cell phone towers and the data we were able to get from those towers, at least at this point in the investigation, is a clear indication he was alive and well at least an hour or more after he left the bar,” Sgt. Sicilian said.

"He left the bar with a purpose. He left the bar by himself and he was meeting someone right there at the bar. It was very cold and he didn't leave with a coat, so he obviously left to have someone pick him up,” Sgt. Sicilian said.

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So, they obviously have his cell phone data from the bar, then quickly moving--- as in a vehicle--- to another area. They know he got in the car with someone else. I feel like they have to have an idea of who it was. Either someone he was talking to in the bar (bald man?) who left right before him to go get the car or someone he was contacting on his phone. He didnt go outside without a coat and hope someone came by that he wanted to hop in the car with. So, who? I still feel like he was killed- suffocated or strangled. I know the autopsy didnt show that, but he was in the water and he didnt drown. I am think suffocation or strangulation evidence could be ruined by water.

I couldnt see the time stamps. Can you post them for me, please, cariis? He didnt look angry, to me, but he looked like he was moving fairly quickly in a whole sea of still people. I saw one dude on the dance floor turn and watch him as he walked by. Not in a bad way, but almost like he noticed something was wrong or maybe Joey was saying something. They should ask him.

Thanks!

 

[mpnola]

I'm going to go ahead an throw out a guess real quickly---- if this was an accident, I think it is highly likely that the person with him was a "straight/ married" guy. My best male friend- who happens to be gay- tells me aaaaalllll the time how many straight/ married men come into the clubs hitting on him and his friends, trying to hook up. One sure way for him to stay silent is to not only be exposed for one scandalous act (man died while with you), but also to have to expose another scandalous act (married, church going, family man was having a gay tryst).

 

[eric136]

There was a lot of info in there I don't remember being stated, although it is all stuff we have speculated:

"We're fairly certain somebody was with him and we need to know who that was and they need to come forward and if they don't come forward we're going to find them eventually," Sgt. Dave Sicilian of Columbus Police said.

Sgt. Sicilian confirms officers have reasons to believe LaBute may have gotten into a car with someone who is refusing to come forward, possibly someone who was visiting from another city.

"When we looked at the cell phone towers and the data we were able to get from those towers, at least at this point in the investigation, is a clear indication he was alive and well at least an hour or more after he left the bar,” Sgt. Sicilian said.

"He left the bar with a purpose. He left the bar by himself and he was meeting someone right there at the bar. It was very cold and he didn't leave with a coat, so he obviously left to have someone pick him up,” Sgt. Sicilian said.

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So, they obviously have his cell phone data from the bar, then quickly moving--- as in a vehicle--- to another area. They know he got in the car with someone else. I feel like they have to have an idea of who it was. Either someone he was talking to in the bar (bald man?) who left right before him to go get the car or someone he was contacting on his phone. He didnt go outside without a coat and hope someone came by that he wanted to hop in the car with. So, who? I still feel like he was killed- suffocated or strangled. I know the autopsy didnt show that, but he was in the water and he didnt drown. I am think suffocation or strangulation evidence could be ruined by water.

I couldnt see the time stamps. Can you post them for me, please, cariis? He didnt look angry, to me, but he looked like he was moving fairly quickly in a whole sea of still people. I saw one dude on the dance floor turn and watch him as he walked by. Not in a bad way, but almost like he noticed something was wrong or maybe Joey was saying something. They should ask him.

Thanks!

You said "He didnt go outside without a coat". That means he was wearing a coat when he left. I think Sgt. Sicilian was saying he went outside with no coat on (coatless). Which is an interesting aspect to me. Even if i was going to be picked up by someone, i would still take my coat with me. Was he meeting someone right outside the door out on the covered porch area ? He must of thought he was going to be right back in shortly ? Decided to ride in the car with this person and then forgot about his coat ?

Just my thoughts.

 

[eric136]

I'm going to go ahead an throw out a guess real quickly---- if this was an accident, I think it is highly likely that the person with him was a "straight/ married" guy. My best male friend- who happens to be gay- tells me aaaaalllll the time how many straight/ married men come into the clubs hitting on him and his friends, trying to hook up. One sure way for him to stay silent is to not only be exposed for one scandalous act (man died while with you), but also to have to expose another scandalous act (married, church going, family man was having a gay tryst).

That is an interesting idea and possibility.

 

[mpnola]

You said "He didnt go outside without a coat". That means he was wearing a coat when he left. I think Sgt. Sicilian was saying he went outside with no coat on (coatless). Which is an interesting aspect to me. Even if i was going to be picked up by someone, i would still take my coat with me. Was he meeting someone right outside the door out on the covered porch area ? He must of thought he was going to be right back in shortly ? Decided to ride in the car with this person and then forgot about his coat ?

Just my thoughts.

Sorry about that! What I meant was that he would not go outside without the coat (as he did) just hoping to find someone to hop in a car with. Meaning, clearly, he had plans to meet someone and would meet them right outside on the street or whatever. So, that person was either found/ met/ seen in the bar or was set up through his phone. It wasn't random and unplanned. Same as what you are saying, but I didn't type very clearly.

I agree- I think he went to go ride with someone for a little while, intending to come back. He was alive for an hour or more, so either things got out of hand and took longer than expected or he was being held against his will (even if that just means driver refused to drive back and he wasn't ready to take that trek without a coat on).

I hope they can figure it out soon. It doesnt seem like this one would be that difficult. A car will have pulled up to get him. He either talked to them inside or had phone/ internet contact with them. Please, solve this. His smile makes me smile.

 

[CARIIS]

There was a lot of info in there I don't remember being stated, although it is all stuff we have speculated:

"We're fairly certain somebody was with him and we need to know who that was and they need to come forward and if they don't come forward we're going to find them eventually," Sgt. Dave Sicilian of Columbus Police said.

Sgt. Sicilian confirms officers have reasons to believe LaBute may have gotten into a car with someone who is refusing to come forward, possibly someone who was visiting from another city.

"When we looked at the cell phone towers and the data we were able to get from those towers, at least at this point in the investigation, is a clear indication he was alive and well at least an hour or more after he left the bar,” Sgt. Sicilian said.

"He left the bar with a purpose. He left the bar by himself and he was meeting someone right there at the bar. It was very cold and he didn't leave with a coat, so he obviously left to have someone pick him up,” Sgt. Sicilian said.

-----------------------------
So, they obviously have his cell phone data from the bar, then quickly moving--- as in a vehicle--- to another area. They know he got in the car with someone else. I feel like they have to have an idea of who it was. Either someone he was talking to in the bar (bald man?) who left right before him to go get the car or someone he was contacting on his phone. He didnt go outside without a coat and hope someone came by that he wanted to hop in the car with. So, who? I still feel like he was killed- suffocated or strangled. I know the autopsy didnt show that, but he was in the water and he didnt drown. I am think suffocation or strangulation evidence could be ruined by water.

I couldnt see the time stamps. Can you post them for me, please, cariis? He didnt look angry, to me, but he looked like he was moving fairly quickly in a whole sea of still people. I saw one dude on the dance floor turn and watch him as he walked by. Not in a bad way, but almost like he noticed something was wrong or maybe Joey was saying something. They should ask him.

Thanks!

The only one I could see a time on had to military time was IIRC, 12:10. On one of them I could not see it either. I am thinking strangulation too --it had to be something not "violent" I think.

I also think it might be interesting that they really have never said roughly (and they can do that) how long he had been in the water. I have wondered if he was "kept" deceased, for a while to delay finding him

I dont think they will ever solve it tho mo

 

[dotr]

Joey was a good-looking young dude, you can be sure he was noticed by someone!
Were there any older guys at the club, perhaps longtime patrons of that club or other similar clubs?
The senior guys in the neighbourhood are the ones to ask, imo- they notice, hear about, and remember everyone!
imo speculation.

 

[eric136]

Channel 6 aired an update tonight. The detective indicated that further forensic testing is being done and results are being waited on such as clothing. He indicated that further interviews would like to be done.

 

[dotr]

The LaBute case is a death investigation.

It's getting the same treatment as a homicide.
The trail hasn't gone cold.
"Definitely it's not a cold case it's still an active investigation we have several interviews we want to accomplish," said Sgt. Sicilian.

But Sgt. Sicilian said the path is not an easy one.

Don't let fear keep you silent. The message from Columbus Police Homicide.

http://abc6onyourside.com/news/loca...lp-in-solving-joey-labute-death-investigation

 

[CARIIS]

Columbus Police Homicide pleas for help in solving Joey LaBute death investigation


'If you're afraid we'll work with you and try to determine at least your role or if you played any role in his death we just really need to know," said CPD Homicide Supervisor Sgt. Dave Sicilian.



http://abc6onyourside.com/news/loca...lp-in-solving-joey-labute-death-investigation

 

[CARIIS]

I thought of Joey at 13:37 on this not devil angle generalties!

[video=youtube;vopnpygoSFQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vopnpygoSFQ[/video]

 

[dotr]

I thought of Joey at 13:37 on this not devil angle generalties!

[video=youtube;vopnpygoSFQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vopnpygoSFQ[/video]

That was good, very interesting the concept of "washing away" one's own weaknesses, so to speak. Also, liked the very direct caution to not walk along waterways after attending a club by oneself, and if walking with someone else, to make sure that it is somebody you know well.imo.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?268131-UK-Fears-of-a-serial-killer-in-Manchester-dumping-in-Canals&p=12442232&highlight=manchester+serial+killer+gays#post12442232
[h=2]UK - Fears of a serial killer in Manchester dumping in Canals[/h]

 

[CARIIS]

[video=youtube;8rwkl5Nt9l4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwkl5Nt9l4[/video]

Nightmares ?

 

[Vail]

Henry McCabe was likely drowned by an associate in a pond near an apartment complex in the middle of a suburb in Minnesota - it had nothing to do with bigfoot.


For those of you still following Joey's case, please take a look at George Sandoval - his partner is at a loss and it doesn't seem like the LVPD are doing much to solve his case. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eorge-Tony-Sandoval-31-Henderson-21-June-2015

 

[CARIIS]

Henry McCabe was likely drowned by an associate in a pond near an apartment complex in the middle of a suburb in Minnesota - it had nothing to do with bigfoot.


For those of you still following Joey's case, please take a look at George Sandoval - his partner is at a loss and it doesn't seem like the LVPD are doing much to solve his case. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eorge-Tony-Sandoval-31-Henderson-21-June-2015

Hi

Your post on his thread is remarkable!

RE: I am really surprised this case doesn't have a single comment, especially seeing how popular Joey LaBute became!

I too, as I am sure all of us, at times confused as to why or which cases get followed. I think first it depends on both media and LE. How both present the sitution to the public.

Sadly you have answered your own question "a hispanic gay male in his 30s with a history of drug use" Throw in mental illiness and you are where you are.

If we look at Joey there are many missing people in Ohio. Why did both Joey and Zachary get such media coverage. First they were white. I am confident AA go mising all the time- do we see news? Prositudes go missing all the time. Noone reports on these.

Joey had a very verbal community around him, that gave the media legs on which to run the story - many interviews. The bar was apparently known, which translates to it could happen to anyone.

Family was willing to be interviewed, as were cousins, bar management, again "legs". I also think the other case does not have a real starting point, so the media does not have a place to start on, which translates to a whole bunch of Le agencies, making each think it might not have happened in their jurdication, so they are not (cops) going to invest manpower.

BOth Joey and Zach gave mainstream society a notion of no reason to think there was any other reason but something afoot. By that I mean , excluding the items you mentioned. Drug use, turbulent relationship , mental illiness, all reasons for mainstream to think that one of those "explains" him being gone.

Sex sells everything. JOey had a sexual possiblity to it. Looks sell. Many thought Joey and Zach were appealing.

The bottom line really is the media either get a story going, then keep it going. It is actually the same here, If we notice all threads slow, and cease basically - authorities stop - most of them end up inconclusive, and LE pushes them away - so there is nothing to "report". Poof.

Finding a body gives the stories some more legs.

Personally, I have cases, I am sure all of us do, that we check in from time to time on.

LVPD are (not) doing much to solve his case. I feel that way about a lot of cases.


The sad realtiy here is they were white, males,young and gone...........................

The evevator stuff IS weird.

 

[Midge Montana]

Nothing new on this case?