OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #1

[~SuperSleuth~]

I'm sorry if I'm repeating information already posted here... but John Carter's sister posted on another forum this morning that he has already taken a lie detector test. (Though she didn't say what the results were, come to think of it.)

Personally, I put no stock in lie detector tests.
I'd refuse one under any circumstance, guilty or not. :twocents:

 

[ShouldBWorking]

Does anyone know if her laundry facilities were located inside of her unit or somewhere else in the building? I used to have to use my building's shared washers and dryers, and would sometimes run down late at night to see if there were any open to be used (before taking any laundry with me). I wouldn't take anything with me but my phone.

Just a thought, my apologies if this has been covered already!

it's not a building, it's 2 story units that are connected

 

[ShouldBWorking]

I'm sorry if I'm repeating information already posted here... but John Carter's sister posted on another forum this morning that he has already taken a lie detector test. (Though she didn't say what the results were, come to think of it.)

I'm not calling anyone a liar but I don't know that I believe everything that is coming out of JC's camp. Common sense tells me if he took a LDT and passed it he would be all over the news telling everyone.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

Is it possible that she got dressed and walked to a corner store? Maybe she had a craving for chocolate, started (her period) and was out of supplies at home, or smoked cigs? I'm sure LE looked at the stores' videos around her home..right? It's plausible she could grab her phone and put it in one pocket and shove another 10 or 20 bucks in the other. But that doesn't explain the dog's location? Or maybe if she thought she would be right back, she let the dog sleep on her bed...?

The one thing I want to know is whether she always parked her car in the back lot. And has her car been towed by LE?

Pretty sure the street is no parking, I didn't see ANY cars parked on the street when I drove by. I believe the closest store that would be open that late is a little far for a nightly stroll. IMO

 

[ShouldBWorking]

:fence:

Tons of questions but no answers. I really wish her family or a close friend would start speaking out some just to tell the public a little more about her. I never turn my phone off either but I wonder if it was her habit to turn her cell off at night. Did she have a landline also? I'd really love to get my hands on the record of her pings for Saturday into Sunday (and while I'm making wishes it would be nice to have JC's thrown in too).

I am starting to think LE has told the family something and they are just laying low. It's the only reason I can see why this family isn't representing their daughter. The announcer on 700WLW out and out said, "Where is this girl's family?"

 

[cluciano63]

:fence:

I am starting to think LE has told the family something and they are just laying low. It's the only reason I can see why this family isn't representing their daughter. The announcer on 700WLW out and out said, "Where is this girl's family?"

Told them something like what? LE said they have no idea what happened to Katelyn and only lean toward foul play due to the length of time she has been unaccounted for. I don't know what they could have told her family.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

Told them something like what? LE said they have no idea what happened to Katelyn and only lean toward foul play due to the length of time she has been unaccounted for. I don't know what they could have told her family.

By now they know a lot from cell phone records, maybe they have had SOMEONE OR SEVERAL SOMEONES do a LDT and the results have been told to the family, I read somewhere that there was someone obsessed with her that the family feels could have done this BUT then JC tells the reporters can't think OF ANYONE that could do this......either folks are trying to throw up smoke screens or people are lying there is no other way to say it......I think there is a cat and mouse game going on BUT don't HONESTLY know who that game is being played with BUT I think Katelyn's family knows.

 

[cocomod]

Told them something like what? LE said they have no idea what happened to Katelyn and only lean toward foul play due to the length of time she has been unaccounted for. I don't know what they could have told her family.

I have heard in several cases lately that LE is telling family member not to talk to media. I do not understand it, and I likely would not obey if it were my family member; but it has been said in numerous cases lately.

I hope that LE is taking this case seriously. In the case of foul play - Time wasted is precious evidence lost!

 

[ShouldBWorking]

I have heard in several cases lately that LE is telling family member not to talk to media. I do not understand it, and I likely would not obey if it were my family member; but it has been said in numerous cases lately.

I hope that LE is taking this case seriously. In the case of foul play - Time wasted is precious evidence lost!

I know several folks connected to the Fairfield PD and I hear they are working 24 hours a day on this case, it's not a large department and they have 7 folks dedicated to this case. Calling in resources from out of town. Have contacted the FBI. Someone said today that Chief Dickey will solve this and that he won't do it half way.

 

[~n/t~]

I didn't find THAT suspicious in the least. I really didn't. Instead, I found other things suspicious. Namely, that he was quick to establish that they'd been together 6 years (yes, that was in the 911 call) and also quick to suggest that there were "questionable people" at the Sacred Heart festival nearby. Sounds like trying to deflect suspicion both away from himself and onto a stranger, to me.

Suspicious also is that he had to have seen that her car was there, supposedly unexpectedly, which supposedly freaked him out... then he went into her apartment, where he saw that the dog was confined unusually and that she and her cellphone were gone. Yet, without calling law enforcement at that point, he LEFT her apartment and went somewhere... dunno where or for how long. Then, he finally called 911 only once he was on his way back to the apartment.

Maybe he thought he had to wait 24 hours to call for missing person report? Where did he get that from? Did he go out looking for her and when he couldn't find her, that's when he called 911? Maybe he thought I don't care what the protocol is, I'm calling anyway. What about her employer? Who called who to let them know Katelyn didn't show up? Maybe that's when he freaked out? I'm not following this case on FB so not sure if these questions were already answerd by family or friends.

I just think there are so many other scenarios at this point that for some reason the bf is not on my radar....yet.

One of my theories is she took off. Why in the world would she ask her bf to burn documents and he admitted it! If he was involved, why would he admit to burning documents? Makes him look suspicious. I think this guy is trying so hard to make himself look innocent that he's coming across as a possible suspect. Getting into the amount of years they been together, etc.

JMO

 

[~n/t~]

By now they know a lot from cell phone records, maybe they have had SOMEONE OR SEVERAL SOMEONES do a LDT and the results have been told to the family, I read somewhere that there was someone obsessed with her that the family feels could have done this BUT then JC tells the reporters can't think OF ANYONE that could do this......either folks are trying to throw up smoke screens or people are lying there is no other way to say it......I think there is a cat and mouse game going on BUT don't HONESTLY know who that game is being played with BUT I think Katelyn's family knows.

I don't think LE would tell the family if they suspected someone. The family may have come to their own conclusion as to what may have happened.

 

[cluciano63]

If I am not mistaken didn't he go to a friend's house to burn the papers? So other people probably knew what he was doing, he made even have had to give that info as part of an alibi.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think she ran off because she locked her puppy dog in the bedroom. Why do that if you are running away from home?

I don't think she killed herself OR ran away. There has been no evidence presented so far that shows she was despondent or desperate, as far as I know.

I do think she may have been second guessing her decision to move to Colorado and/or get married though. Otherwise, imo, she would not be 'too tired' to talk to her fiances parents about their plans. As a matter of fact, that right there sounds like a good trigger for a big fight. " No, sorry honey, I am not ready to talk to your folks because I am not sure I want to move with you , or get married even."

Remember his odd wording about ' NOT FORCING HER' to move? That was awkward.

ETA: and the burning of the papers is too much of a coinky-dink. Sounds to me like he was burning a Dear John letter.

 

[sreshowtime]

Good thought Sashasnout...tho she may have inside laundry, I personally know of many condos/townhomes that have shared exterior laundries...I recently looked at quite a few places in ATL like that

 

[cluciano63]

Seems like LE would have checked if there was a laundry room, or noticed if piles of clean clothes were in her room...again, it all goes back to what time she really vanished, I guess...

 

[~n/t~]

IMO, if she was running out at 1 am for chocolate or cigs, then she would take her car. I would think so anyway. If she did not have to be at work until noon on Sunday, does anyone know what her usual morning routine was? When my old job started at 11 am I routinely went out for bagels and coffee every morning before work. But then I suppose she would not have locked her doggie in her bedroom if that were the case.

So I keep coming back to something happening in that 1 am time frame. Someone she knew and trusted came by and said let's take a quick trip to? Get drive-through tacos, get chocolate, go get some beer? Go for a quick drive? Putting the dog away makes it seem like it was someone who made her dog nervous or bark too much. Her boyfriend would not fit that description.

Good point about the dog. If I was LE, I would be questioning neighbours! Again, this case reminds me so much of Jo Yeates case in the UK. Everyone suspected the BF and it turned out to be a young neighbour who had an obsession with her. The dude even had a girlfriend! In that case, it was obviously someone she knew because he lived in the same building. No signs of break in, no signs of struggle. I think this could very well be the case here.


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Here is a snippet of Jo Yeate's case and why some thought the bf was suspicous. Sound familiar?
Disappearance





The Bristol Ram pub, where Yeates was last seen by her colleagues.[18]
At around 8.00 pm on 19 December 2010, Reardon returned home from a weekend visit to Sheffield to find Yeates absent from their flat on Canynge Road, Clifton. Reardon had been trying to contact her by phone and text, but did not find it "completely out of character" that she did not respond. While waiting for Yeates to return home, Reardon found that her personal items had been left behind and that their cat appeared to have been neglected.[1][19] When he tried to call her again, her mobile phone rang from a pocket of her coat at the flat.[20] Around midnight, Reardon contacted the police and then Yeates' parents to report her missing.[1]

Death of Joanna Yeates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Good point about the dog. If I was LE, I would be questioning neighbours! Again, this case reminds me so much of Jo Yeates case in the UK. Everyone suspected the BF and it turned out to be a young neighbour who had an obsession with her. The dude even had a girlfriend! In that case, it was obviously someone she knew because he lived in the same building. No signs of break in, no signs of struggle. I think this could very well be the case here.


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Here is a snippet of Jo Yeate's case and why some thought the bf was suspicous. Sound familiar?
Disappearance





The Bristol Ram pub, where Yeates was last seen by her colleagues.[18]
At around 8.00 pm on 19 December 2010, Reardon returned home from a weekend visit to Sheffield to find Yeates absent from their flat on Canynge Road, Clifton. Reardon had been trying to contact her by phone and text, but did not find it "completely out of character" that she did not respond. While waiting for Yeates to return home, Reardon found that her personal items had been left behind and that their cat appeared to have been neglected.[1][19] When he tried to call her again, her mobile phone rang from a pocket of her coat at the flat.[20] Around midnight, Reardon contacted the police and then Yeates' parents to report her missing.[1]

Death of Joanna Yeates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have to admit ---> every time I see a crime/case where an attached building is involved, I think about the cases of rape and abductions where the perpetrator has entered via the attic crawl space --- I always wish I could just see the attic blue prints to know if the structure is such that this is possible. I always tell myself, Junkie dear -- the cops check that so don't go there..........but I always do.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

http://www.journal-news.com/news/hamilton-news/authorities-searching-for-missing-woman-prepare-for-worst-case-scenario-1237093.html

Well?

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.middletownjournal.com/ne...-prepare-for-worst-case-scenario-1237093.html

By Kelsey Cano, Staff Writer
8:35 PM Tuesday, August 23, 2011

FAIRFIELD — As more time passes since Katelyn Markham was last seen, authorities say they are preparing for the worst case scenario.

 

[Kamille]

I don't think she ran off because she locked her puppy dog in the bedroom. Why do that if you are running away from home?

I don't think she killed herself OR ran away. There has been no evidence presented so far that shows she was despondent or desperate, as far as I know.

I do think she may have been second guessing her decision to move to Colorado and/or get married though. Otherwise, imo, she would not be 'too tired' to talk to her fiances parents about their plans. As a matter of fact, that right there sounds like a good trigger for a big fight. " No, sorry honey, I am not ready to talk to your folks because I am not sure I want to move with you , or get married even."

Remember his odd wording about ' NOT FORCING HER' to move? That was awkward.

ETA: and the burning of the papers is too much of a coinky-dink. Sounds to me like he was burning a Dear John letter.

These are some of the things that are troubling me too about what went down that day/night. We have heard no definitive proof that KM ever was at the townhome that evening other than what JC has said. In what circumstances would she leave her dog locked in her room? Was the Dad moving stuff that day and she decided to keep the dog in her room and out of the way, fully intending to return home in time to let it out to do it's business? And who made the call to JC's parents to tell them that KM was too tired to visit with them as planned?

So we've got plans for earlier in the evening with other people that were cancelled. A few different times when JC said he last saw her when he left the townhome, I think I've read as early as 10-10:30pm and as late as 12pm. A convenient alibi for burning something at a friend's fire pit, assuming the friend was there, and for not going right home after supposedly leaving KM's place. The strange texts and the phone and GPS mysteriously being turned off at 12:45pm and that phone is the only thing missing other than KM.

I truly want to believe that everything is as JC said it was and that everything was fine between them but something keeps nagging at me that this might not have been the case.

MOO