OH - Ma’Khia Bryant, 16, fatally shot multiple times by Columbus police officer, 20 April 2021

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Both The New York Times and The Washington Post came under fire Wednesday for tweets omitting key details about the previous day's fatal police-involved shooting in Columbus, Ohio.

The Times shared a montage of protesters decrying the death of 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant, who was shot by a police officer as she was attacking another girl with a knife.

However, that key detail was widely omitted in early reports of the shooting and remained missing from a Times tweet that was shared Wednesday afternoon.
New York Times, Washington Post slammed for tweets omitting that Ma'Khia Bryant was armed with knife

Why is this even being allowed?

I believe anyone who lied or edited the truth should be sued in civil court.

I've seen attorneys say in the media this officer has good grounds for suing LJ.

The only way this dangerous, purposeful imo, misinformtion by the media is going to be curtailed is if they are hit with lawsuits.

Jmho
 
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Wow, I hadn't seen that article. Thanks. It's hard to believe the knife fight was over house cleaning of all things. It makes me wonder if MB was suffering from an undiagnosed and/or incipient mental illness.

From link above:

Ma'Khia Bryant and two other young women argued over a messy house and unmade bed before a fight that ended with the fatal police shooting shooting of the Black teenager, the woman who cared for Ma'Khia in foster care said Thursday.

Angela Moore said two of her former foster children had come to her Columbus, Ohio, home Tuesday to celebrate her birthday when the young women and Ma'Khia bickered over housekeeping.
"It was over keeping the house clean," Moore said. "The older one told them to clean up the house because 'Mom doesn't like the house dirty,'" Moore recalled being told after she arrived home from work. "So that's how it all started."

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Moore relayed for CNN the story she said she was told by one of the girls in the house at the time.
"You're not the guardian of me," Bryant replied, according to the story Moore said she was told.
"They argue all the time," Moore recalled, "but I never thought it would escalate like that."


MB saying "you're not the guardian of me" makes me think perhaps Bryant was triggered by the former foster child bossing her around. Maybe MB felt like everyone thought they could tell her what to do since she didn't have any real permanent home as a foster child, and it made her fly into a rage against the 20-yr-old when she told her to clean. All the sorrow and rage that MB had bottled up over the years suddenly exploded and she had some sort of psychotic break. Just wildly speculating obviously. I don't know. Just trying to make sense of it all.

Wow! I am gobsmacked by this story. Indeed, the rage that was displayed on video by MB was real. But, over chores? I fought often with my sisters over chores, but never did it get more physical than a slap! IMO, there is much more to this story.....including WHY the adult 43 y/o male drop kicked a woman in the head, if this was over cleaning?

Such a tragic ending, I wish Ma'Khia never picked up the knife.
 
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Ohio, Columbus shooting: Ma'Khia Bryant should be remembered as a loving teenager, her mother says - CNN

It sounds like the community is in mourning with the loss of this vibrant young woman. Maybe they can re-name the street where she was slain, after her.

None of this should have happened, especially not with a grown “man”involved. Not only didn’t he try and stop this mess, but he participated.
I blame him more than anyone .
I get that MB may have had a rough life, lots of people do. At the end of the day MB chose to pick up that knife. She chose to attack the two females, right in front of the officer. All of this took away the officers options.
I may be the only one but I don’t get renaming streets like that. MB died while trying to stab someone. Wouldn’t renaming the street send a very wrong message?
 
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None of this should have happened, especially not with a grown “man”involved. Not only didn’t he try and stop this mess, but he participated.
I blame him more than anyone .
I get that MB may have had a rough life, lots of people do. At the end of the day MB chose to pick up that knife. She chose to attack the two females, right in front of the officer. All of this took away the officers options.
I may be the only one but I don’t get renaming streets like that. MB died while trying to stab someone. Wouldn’t renaming the street send a very wrong message?
I still cannot figure out what his role was. Anybody?
 
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I still cannot figure out what his role was. Anybody?

Well, it certainly wasn't a peacemaker role! I have read some rumors, but ....will wait until investigation is complete, to see if any charges will be filed against this miscreant.

And, IMO...if MB was being fostered in/ with this type of violent behavior displayed by "drop-kick man" then there is certainly more to the story.
 
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In my most humble opinion, it's about time we started asking the real questions...

Why is violence looked at as a normal response to an argument? Why is the "🤬🤬🤬🤬 life" revered? Where are the parents who teach their children, violence is never the answer? Why are there dozens of people standing around with cell phones, just waiting to upload another "girl fight"?

Something is wrong with this society, and very wrong, in certain areas of it. You can take away all the guns, but they'll just switch to acid attacks or knives or cars like in the UK and Europe.

"Per capita the UK has one of the highest rates of recorded acid attacks in the world." -ASTI.org
London's knife murders surpasses NYC in early 2018. - source BBC

Just like mental health needs to be addressed, so does the acceptance of violence as a normal everyday response.
 
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Ohio, Columbus shooting: Ma'Khia Bryant should be remembered as a loving teenager, her mother says - CNN

It sounds like the community is in mourning with the loss of this vibrant young woman. Maybe they can re-name the street where she was slain, after her.


Yes, lets give everyone another reason to start a fight or kill someone... just to get their name immortalized as a street... or park, or city block. Sorry, not all 'victims' are victims, and do not need to be looked up to by other 'kids' for violent behavior.
 
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In my most humble opinion, it's about time we started asking the real questions...

Why is violence looked at as a normal response to an argument? Why is the "**** life" revered? Where are the parents who teach their children, violence is never the answer? Why are there dozens of people standing around with cell phones, just waiting to upload another "girl fight"?

Something is wrong with this society, and very wrong, in certain areas of it. You can take away all the guns, but they'll just switch to acid attacks or knives or cars like in the UK and Europe.

"Per capita the UK has one of the highest rates of recorded acid attacks in the world." -ASTI.org
London's knife murders surpasses NYC in early 2018. - source BBC

Just like mental health needs to be addressed, so does the acceptance of violence as a normal everyday response.
I think that is a very good question. We can waste time talking about weapons, but the real question is why are so many just immediately jumping to violence to resolve even the smallest of disputes?
 
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Narrative Matters!
IMO, This tragic case of a young woman's death was put out on Social Media instantly, suggesting another vilified LE shooting in the midst of the GF verdict . Columbus LE department very quickly countered, and IMO squashed the preferred narrative with releasing the BWC video. This quick release showed a justified shooting, albeit tragically ending a young woman's life. Yet, 'some' are still pushing this preferred narrative, fanning the anti-police fires, and ignoring and omitting facts and video evidence before them. Criminal behavior and violence continues, yet that aspect is ignored and/or excused. IMO, The narrative matters!
 
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I watched all of the videos that they’ve released. Obviously we don’t know what was going on before the beginning of the security footage from across the street that they’ve shown. But MB seems to come out of the house with the punter in the gray sweatshirt and a few other people and charges at the girl who fell on the ground and the one in the pink. From the footage it doesn’t look like the 2 girls she went after were causing a scene. IMO then MB goes on the attack. She was repeatedly yelled at by NR to get down and she failed to do so. Yes MB may have been a sweet and innocent girl. And on the honor roll. But the point is all of this is she grabbed a knife from inside her home (premeditation if she would have killed one of those 2 girls?) and came out in attack mode. I don’t see how this was not justified. The officer didn’t seem close enough to be able to deploy his taser, and it all happened so dang fast. I read somewhere (forgive me I don’t have the link) that Ohio law states an officer can use deadly force of himself or other people are in danger. People were in danger! It’s sad that a teenage girl lost her life. But at the same time when she came out swinging a knife around, what did people expect to happen? Then you have her father/stepfather/foster father (gray sweatshirt) kicking a girl in her head like that. I hope he gets charges for his role. They all encouraged her to stab those girls! I just.. I’ve had to step away from all social media after the body cam footage was released because of a lot of the comments. There was nothing else this officer could do. One life was taken so another life was saved.
 
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I’m n out seeing anyone here saying cops are gun happy assassins. I do see people on Websleuths saying we have a problem with LE shooting Black people , or otherwise killing them, usually unarmed, and getting away with it, when there is no reason to do so.

I don’t understand how the guy kicking a woman in the head has anything to do with this. OF COURSE it’s not discussed a lot. It has nothing to do with the issue of government responsibility and accountability. Does that man have a gun he is authorized by the government to use? Is he LE? Does he have the power and responsibility of wearing a gun and a badge to protect and serve?

If not, he’s not part of the equation. That equation is that those government agents tasked with protecting society and upholding the law, who wield utmost power and authority and who have a grave responsibility, must be scrutinized as closely as possible when they are involved in a case of injury or death.

This is about the US Constitution. That thing our forebears fought and died to implement to protect themselves against government overreach and oppression.

If there’s an agenda to continue ensuring that members of our government who wield weaponry are scrutinized as closely as can be to protect the public from overreach and oppression? Count me in.

Law enforcement should not be measured against common people, especially common people committing crimes. Their responsibility to the public is huge. Their power is huge. So their behavior must be impeccable.

It confounds me that some do not understand that.

We darn well better be fixated on the killing of a teenager by LE. Armed or not. Black or not. But more so when the suspect killed is black as they are disproportionately victims of police killings.

I don’t see this is a case of police brutality or excessive force. I do see the necessity of scrutinizing this case as hard as possible.

Last night I quoted this post intending to report it to a moderator to ask if there was a way for each user to pin their favorite posts.

Don't post often and was interrupted by dogs that heard thunder so made it worse trying to edit.

Sorry y'all. Next time I'll just hit the "like" button ;)
 
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Y'all really won't change my mind on this. Just my two cents.
 
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In my most humble opinion, it's about time we started asking the real questions...

Why is violence looked at as a normal response to an argument? Why is the "**** life" revered? Where are the parents who teach their children, violence is never the answer? Why are there dozens of people standing around with cell phones, just waiting to upload another "girl fight"?

Something is wrong with this society, and very wrong, in certain areas of it. You can take away all the guns, but they'll just switch to acid attacks or knives or cars like in the UK and Europe.

"Per capita the UK has one of the highest rates of recorded acid attacks in the world." -ASTI.org
London's knife murders surpasses NYC in early 2018. - source BBC

Just like mental health needs to be addressed, so does the acceptance of violence as a normal everyday response.
My own views on this are somewhat controversial.
Not everybody comes from a sane rational family situation.
I'd like to see the educational system teaching emotional and mental education.
Lessons in how to deal with anger grief and the entire gamut of emotions and solutions..
That's just me and I have no children.
Academia is fine and it's useful but it's not the entire story.
 
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Y'all really won't change my mind on this. Just my two cents.
Well we're working on a case.
You're quite welcome to read the thread and watch the videos and the bodycam footage and compare the two situations.
 
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Here's a link to the original 911 call. Who ever the caller is appears to not be actively fighting with anyone. You can hear an argument between other people going on in the background. Who is the caller?

If it was Ma'Khia was she initially a bystander and not involved in a fight? Why call for police and as soon as an officer arrives ignore him and his commands and attack two people with a knife? Seems like the caller is probably someone else. JMO

Ma'Khia Bryant shooting: 911 call reporting stabbing attempt - From the Newsroom: The Columbus Dispatch - Omny.fm
 
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I'll just point out a legal/factual difference between the cases. Rittenhouse surrendered to police well after the shootings. Bryant was confronted by an officer when she was in the act of attacking with the knife. I'm not defending Rittenhouse, but just explaining this difference.
I'm sure someone could find a better case to use in an argument that the officer in this case used excessive force.

Using Rittenhouse doesn't work for the reasons you state and makes the claim by the OP invalid. JMO
 
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I'm sure someone could find a better case to use in an argument that the officer in this case used excessive force.

Using Rittenhouse doesn't work for the reasons you state and makes the claim by the OP invalid. JMO
Correct. Each case needs to be looked at individually, on its own merits and facts. There are different officers, different departments/cities, different policies, different facts.
 
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