OH - Ma’Khia Bryant, 16, fatally shot multiple times by Columbus police officer, 20 April 2021

[tayaway]

And what about the poor little sister?She has been through so much and I wish mom would focus on getting her back and getting her the support and help she needs.

Has bio mum even mentioned the sister? Well, no worries, mum's focused on a lawsuit which, if it goes to court, will reveal why these sisters were in foster care off and on through the years.

 

[tayaway]

Which US station is watched and trusted all over the world?

As a Canadian, I don't look to any one specific media source, I check out a few, including the local town/city's outlet, to get a fuller picture.

 

[kittythehare]

Has bio mum even mentioned the sister? Well, no worries, mum's focused on a lawsuit which, if it goes to court, will reveal why these sisters were in foster care off and on through the years.

Were there not two or three sisters?
I don't think it's a secret, the childrens' records are protected and rightly so.
Other information is public.
I'm gonna leave that there because I'm not sure how to apply TOS to this case specifically.
There's just too many parties floating around for coherence.
I do not believe the children were taken because they were bad children or had mental problems or psychiatric conditions.
Now, one child is dead and we do not know what circumstances brought this about.
That is the outstanding question, for me.

 

[tayaway]

Were there not two or three sisters?
I don't think it's a secret, the childrens' records are protected and rightly so.
Other information is public.
I'm gonna leave that there because I'm not sure how to apply TOS to this case specifically.
There's just too many parties floating around for coherence.
I do not believe the children were taken because they were bad children or had mental problems or psychiatric conditions.
Now, one child is dead and we do not know what circumstances brought this about.
That is the outstanding question, for me.

I don't know how many sisters, but I was referencing the one also living at the foster home. Oh, ok, I understand now about the children's records. I'm in agreement with you that the children themselves were not the cause of removal from the bio mum's home. For me, the question was whether lethal force was necessary, but after reading responses here and news comparisons between the US and other countries, it's been made clear that it is an accepted policy in America. I feel sympathy for MB, NR, MB's sister, and others involved.

 

[Kakidoll]

Of course they want to sue. They had a funding site up within 15 minutes of the first video breaking. Its all about the press and money now. And it WILL continue to be as long as they get that payday from someone. SHUT DOWN THE MONEY TRAIN.

 

[katydid23]

Were there not two or three sisters?
I don't think it's a secret, the childrens' records are protected and rightly so.
Other information is public.
I'm gonna leave that there because I'm not sure how to apply TOS to this case specifically.
There's just too many parties floating around for coherence.
I do not believe the children were taken because they were bad children or had mental problems or psychiatric conditions.
Now, one child is dead and we do not know what circumstances brought this about.
That is the outstanding question, for me.

We kind of do know the circumstances that brought on the child's death. It was her slashing at a young woman and then aggressively lunging at another young woman, while holding a large knife up in the air, threatening to stab her---while she KNEW a police officer was right there watching...

Those^^^ were the circumstances that brought on her death. We don't know what happened prior---but at the time that the officer arrived, MaKhia was not being assaulted or threatened or endangered by anyone there. She chased and slashed at the 1st girl and then quickly turned and lunged at a girl holding a puppy in her arms, who had been standing back, away from the scuffle.

So no matter what kind of argument or issues or scuffling had happened earlier, it was her rage and out of control violent behaviour , in that moment, that created that tragic ending. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

I don't know how many sisters, but I was referencing the one also living at the foster home. Oh, ok, I understand now about the children's records. I'm in agreement with you that the children themselves were not the cause of removal from the bio mum's home. For me, the question was whether lethal force was necessary, but after reading responses here and news comparisons between the US and other countries, it's been made clear that it is an accepted policy in America. I feel sympathy for MB, NR, MB's sister, and others involved.

I think he had to shoot her.
I'm not so sure about using 4 shots though.
But that's being investigated. One is lethal potentially and likely. It's unlikely she would have advanced again following a single shot.
We'll just have to await that report, there's no second guessing for that because we don't know what factors they will be examining, nor do we know whether the subsequent shots or the first one was responsible for her death. Or if it is even knowable, which I doubt.

 

[shotgun09]

We kind of do know the circumstances that brought on the child's death. It was her slashing at a young woman and then aggressively lunging at another young woman, while holding a large knife up in the air, threatening to stab her---while she KNEW a police officer was right there watching...

Those^^^ were the circumstances that brought on her death. We don't know what happened prior---but at the time that the officer arrived, MaKhia was not being assaulted or threatened or endangered by anyone there. She chased and slashed at the 1st girl and then quickly turned and lunged at a girl holding a puppy in her arms, who had been standing back, away from the scuffle.

So no matter what kind of argument or issues or scuffling had happened earlier, it was her rage and out of control violent behaviour , in that moment, that created that tragic ending. JMO

And, there is video evidence to show exactly that! You cannot excuse that evidence, or erase that evidence, or talk 'pen-knife' nonsense around that evidence . It is what happened, sad but true.

 

[branmuffin]

I am sure there was much more to it than a 10 yr old 'taking ornaments off the tree.'

As I said, my long time neighbor and close friend was a foster mom. We walked our dogs together nearly every day. She told me a lot about what happened in her full house.

She had a close working relationship with our local PD because she had some pretty unruly teens sometimes. And being home alone much ofd the time, with 6 to 10 kids, meant she sometimes needed 'back up.' She needed the 'new' kids to know that she would call in the authorities if they crossed certain lines.

Kitty, here is what bothers me about this line of questioning...Ma_Khia has only been in that house for 2 months. She was 15 and spent the prior 15 years with her family. So why would we look at the woman who cared for her for the past 2 months and assume she was the source of this anger and rage?

MaKhia's teacher said she was doing an excellent job with her school work and receiving high grades and that should count for something. Usually if a child is in a toxic environment their school work suffers, imo.

<modsnip: No MSM to support > Each state decides the total amount of children you can foster but it usually includes the children of the fostering family. If totals exceed the limit for a foster home it's designated a group home since it requires different compliance codes.

We have no idea how many children were in this home. Depending on the number it's possible the woman who runs it was not complying with regulations, one being a non custodial parent must be onsite and present for every 24 hour period. Since this woman was at work when everything went down, I have to presume she falls within the guidelines for fostering and not a group home designation. If it was a group home designation and the non-custodial adult was the male who kicked a girl in the head then an internal review is required. Very recently Ohio did a review of group homes in the state and found serious issues regarding the monitoring of group homes. An excerpt from the report states:

"Although the State agency performed the required onsite monitoring at all 30 of the foster care group homes that we reviewed, this monitoring did not ensure that the homes complied with State licensing requirements related to the health and safety of children in foster care as required by Title IV-E. We determined that 19 of the 30 homes that we reviewed did not comply with 1 or more State health and safety requirements. Specifically, we found that 17 homes did not comply with physical and environmental safety requirements, 5 homes did not comply with required criminal records checks, 4 homes did not comply with requirements related to fire safety of residential facilities, and 3 homes did not comply with staff record requirements."

The rest of the report is here:
https://oig.hhs.gov/oas/reports/region5/51600049.pdf

Since I believe exactly zero of any news story from the Daily Mail the jury is still out regarding the circumstances that precipitated the deadly result of a foster child with a knife.

Here's an article written by a woman who aged out of the foster care program who is now a PhD. She relates the issues that many foster kids have being in an alien landscape. While some of the narrative may seem race-centric to some and a cop out try to ignore that since it gives you an idea of what it could have been like for Ma'khia in that foster home.

https://oig.hhs.gov/oas/reports/region5/51600049.pdf

 

[kittythehare]

<modsnip: No MSM to support> Each state decides the total amount of children you can foster but it usually includes the children of the fostering family. If totals exceed the limit for a foster home it's designated a group home since it requires different compliance codes.

We have no idea how many children were in this home. Depending on the number it's possible the woman who runs it was not complying with regulations, one being a non custodial parent must be onsite and present for every 24 hour period. Since this woman was at work when everything went down, I have to presume she falls within the guidelines for fostering and not a group home designation. If it was a group home designation and the non-custodial adult was the male who kicked a girl in the head then an internal review is required. Very recently Ohio did a review of group homes in the state and found serious issues regarding the monitoring of group homes. An excerpt from the report states:

"Although the State agency performed the required onsite monitoring at all 30 of the foster care group homes that we reviewed, this monitoring did not ensure that the homes complied with State licensing requirements related to the health and safety of children in foster care as required by Title IV-E. We determined that 19 of the 30 homes that we reviewed did not comply with 1 or more State health and safety requirements. Specifically, we found that 17 homes did not comply with physical and environmental safety requirements, 5 homes did not comply with required criminal records checks, 4 homes did not comply with requirements related to fire safety of residential facilities, and 3 homes did not comply with staff record requirements."

The rest of the report is here:
https://oig.hhs.gov/oas/reports/region5/51600049.pdf

Since I believe exactly zero of any news story from the Daily Mail the jury is still out regarding the circumstances that precipitated the deadly result of a foster child with a knife.

Here's an article written by a woman who aged out of the foster care program who is now a PhD. She relates the issues that many foster kids have being in an alien landscape. While some of the narrative may seem race-centric to some and a cop out try to ignore that since it gives you an idea of what it could have been like for Ma'khia in that foster home.

https://oig.hhs.gov/oas/reports/region5/51600049.pdf

That's interesting, looking forward to reading it, thanks.
Are there specific insurance requirements around who can be in the home when the fosterer is absent?

 

[branmuffin]

Exactly! IMO, this hideous excuse of a man is Key to the story! MB came out of the house as LE arrived, the two other women were already outside, it appeared peaceful...then the Head-Punt dude suddenly does his master move ( to stop Victim one from talking? ), and MB lunges after Victim two with a knife ( to stop her from talking? ). Something was seriously wrong, and the two remaining and alive victims in this case were needed to be silenced by MB and El-disgusto, so that they would not tell LE something. All, IMO

I hope all the people who were involved were put in separate squad cars before being interviewed.

 

[SBops]

And, there is video evidence to show exactly that! You cannot excuse that evidence, or erase that evidence, or talk 'pen-knife' nonsense around that evidence . It is what happened, sad but true.

But no one is disputing that and no one IMO, is trying to excuse it.

 

[wary]

But no one is disputing that and no one IMO, is trying to excuse it.

Well, I think that when people talk about how it must have been fear that led to her actions, that’s trying to excuse it.

And I saw someone in the media talking about a “small knife,” which only makes sense to me if you were comparing it to a samurai sword.

And lots of talk from politicians and media persons about how knife fights are such a commonplace thing....etc.

Yes, I think lots of excuses are being made.

 

[SBops]

Well, I think that when people talk about how it must have been fear that led to her actions, that’s trying to excuse it.

And I saw someone in the media talking about a “small knife,” which only makes sense to me if you were comparing it to a samurai sword.

And lots of talk from politicians and media persons about how knife fights are such a commonplace thing....etc.

Yes, I think lots of excuses are being made.

I have disagree. No one is making excuses for her on this thread. Maybe offering reasons why, but not excuses.
<modsnip>

 

[branmuffin]

That's interesting, looking forward to reading it, thanks.
Are there specific insurance requirements around who can be in the home when the fosterer is absent?

I didn't read anything about insurance requirements. There are criminal background checks which should be the bare minimum, imo.

I have mixed feelings about foster care. I grew up in a very stable home with both parents but I knew a couple of families that fostered children. I felt that both families were in it for the money; that the welfare of the child was secondary.

One girl, Rose, had to wear corrective shoes that had to be replaced on a fairly regular basis since she was a growing child. Her foster parents never bought the shoes when they should have been bought creating a painful situation for her. But they pocketed the money. She also wanted a bike for her birthday. They bought a new bike for their own daughter with the money given to them by the Children's Aid and bought Rose a used bike.
I knew this as a 12 year old because the mother was quite vocal that there was nothing wrong in funneling the money to their own child since they were doing Rose a favour.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[al66pine]

I'm puzzled about foster mother Moore's stmt re Ma'Khia & the two former foster children arguing "all the time."

Iirc, Ma'Khia moved into the home in mid-Feb.
When did ^ two former foster children move from that home? Before or after mid-Feb?
If they both moved out before mid-Feb, how/why were they around there to argue all the time w Ma'Khia?
(Iirc, they were there that day to celebrate Moore's b'day, but that's not "all the time.")
Had they 'aged out' of foster care? Or were they living in another foster home?

Not saying the two formers should not have spent time/visited there, but if Moore knew they argued all the time, seems she would have discouraged or even prohibited their visits. Anyone???

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"... Moore has told CNN that the initial argument was started when two of her former foster children came to Columbus, Ohio, on Tuesday for her birthday....
Moore said the girls argued 'all the time' since Ma'Khia moved into the home a few months ago and she was told by one of those involved in the brawl how it broke out...."

 

[tayaway]

I'm puzzled about foster mother Moore's stmt re Ma'Khia & the two former foster children arguing "all the time."

Iirc, Ma'Khia moved into the home in mid-Feb.
When did ^ two former foster children move from that home? Before or after mid-Feb?
If they both moved out before mid-Feb, how/why were they around there to argue all the time w Ma'Khia?
(Iirc, they were there that day to celebrate Moore's b'day, but that's not "all the time.")
Had they 'aged out' of foster care? Or were they living in another foster home?

Not saying the two formers should not have spent time/visited there, but if Moore knew they argued all the time, seems she would have discouraged or even prohibited their visits. Anyone???

_______________________________________
"... Moore has told CNN that the initial argument was started when two of her former foster children came to Columbus, Ohio, on Tuesday for her birthday....
Moore said the girls argued 'all the time' since Ma'Khia moved into the home a few months ago and she was told by one of those involved in the brawl how it broke out...."

I wondered that too, like, is it normal for fosters to age out and hang around the home after? Wouldn't they just visit once in a blue moon, as they got on with their lives? Found this bit on their age/ID, from Global News, Apr 24, BBM:

“Hey, what’s going on?” Reardon asks upon exiting his vehicle at 4:44 p.m. In those next 11 seconds, Bryant was seen charging at 20-year-old Shai-Onta Lana Craig-Watkins with a kitchen knife and then moving on to 22-year-old Tionna Bonner before Reardon he yelled, “Get down!” and fired four consecutive shots into her chest.

 

[scriabina]

I'm puzzled about foster mother Moore's stmt re Ma'Khia & the two former foster children arguing "all the time." ...
Iirc, Ma'Khia moved into the home in mid-Feb.
When did ^ two former foster children move from that home? Before or after mid-Feb?
If they both moved out before mid-Feb, how/why were they around there to argue all the time w Ma'Khia?

The two former foster children were 20 and 22 so they certainly should have been aged out of the foster care system. But maybe they were having trouble living independently and still relying on their former foster mom, hence showing up to the house a lot.

 

[wary]

I wondered that too, like, is it normal for fosters to age out and hang around the home after? Wouldn't they just visit once in a blue moon, as they got on with their lives? Found this bit on their age/ID, from Global News, Apr 24, BBM:

“Hey, what’s going on?” Reardon asks upon exiting his vehicle at 4:44 p.m. In those next 11 seconds, Bryant was seen charging at 20-year-old Shai-Onta Lana Craig-Watkins with a kitchen knife and then moving on to 22-year-old Tionna Bonner before Reardon he yelled, “Get down!” and fired four consecutive shots into her chest.

Wouldn’t it depend on how long the foster children had stayed in the home, and how much of a bond they had made with the foster parents?

Let’s say you have children of your own. Sure, sometimes they get on with their lives at age 20, and you only see them once in a blue moon, but sometimes they hang around a little more than that.