Oh no... Not another theory!

[Eureka]

Your theory explains why JB ended up dead, but it does not explain the vaginal molestation, the size 12 panties, or the wiping down of the genitals. Did your theoretical hapless robbers decide to sexually molest the child after killing her? Why would they carry out such an elaborate staging after killing the child with a crack on the head? Why not just leave her in the basement and get out of there? And why leave the ransom note when they knew it was for nothing and could only be used as evidence against them?

Was she actually molested? I keep hearing stories suggesting that such evidence was inconclusive. Regardless, anyone who might bludgeon a little girl to death would surely be capable of molesting her. So there you are.

I can think of no reason why a six year old girl would be wearing size 12 panties, no matter the situation.

Why leave the ransom note? Good question. I suppose that a psycoanalyst might tell you that leaving the note, as superflous as an act as it was, was nevertheless, an act of denial elicited by a young woman who is no where near having come to terms with the fact that she has just involved herself with the murder of a child.

 

[Eureka]

Good answers, I have to disagree with you on nbr1. IMO, very unlikely that a child would not fight to try to scream when someone holding their mouth. Even infants show trauma to the lips when held quiet this way.

Some more questions:
The duct tape also showed evidence of fibres from PR's sweater on the glue side. How did these fibres get there?

Why do the R's state that it isn't their duct tape and why did the trio bring it with them?

1.) I suppose that a forensic pathologist would best respond to this question.

2.) Perhaps, the duct tape, or even just a piece of it, had been down the basement all along. Have you ever seen a storage basement that did not have a piece of duct tape hanging around somewhere?

3.) The trio did not bring it with them. The duct tape had to have been there in the basement. Perhaps, the tape belonged to the prior owners of the house. Perhaps, John Ramsey had bought the tape two years ago and forgot about it. How many people make a constant, conscience accounting of their duct tape?

 

[tumble]

2.) Perhaps, the duct tape, or even just a piece of it, had been down the basement all along. Have you ever seen a storage basement that did not have a piece of duct tape hanging around somewhere?

No, in fact never seen a piece of duct tape lying around with its glue side open to the world for any length of time without catching on to something or turn completely unusable.

 

[Eureka]

2.) Perhaps, the duct tape, or even just a piece of it, had been down the basement all along. Have you ever seen a storage basement that did not have a piece of duct tape hanging around somewhere?

No, in fact never seen a piece of duct tape lying around with its glue side open to the world for any length of time without catching on to something or turn completely unusable.

What if its glue side was not open to the world and it just happened to be stuck to something, like say, a piece of duct work?

Anyway, duct tape isn't important. Try not to miss the forest for the sake of a few trees.

 

[Eureka]

If Sara had ever babysat JBR, I think the police would have interviewed her. It seems like she is a nervous enough type that they would have noticed something during the interview that aroused their suspicion that Sara was involved.

I never said she babysat. Do you know something we don't? You sound like you might know her.

 

[tumble]

What if its glue side was not open to the world and it just happened to be stuck to something, like say, a piece of duct work?

Anyway, duct tape isn't important. Try not to miss the forest for the sake of a few trees.

You are right Eureka. The big picture is what's is important.

I really appreciate you putting together a whole theory, I have tried myself and failed

I never get past the details...

 

[Chebrock]

I'd like to introduce myself to the forum. My hat is Chebrock and I'm from the Dallas Texas area. I used to post regularly to the forums and was even able to see the Ramseys when they did their interview on "religious" tv near here. I participated with Steve Thomas when he did his online "chats" which involved questions and answers mostly. I do remember some people who are posting and am glad they are still around. The forums have changed quite a bit since I was around but then again, they really haven't changed much at all.

For the record, I believe John did it and Patsy helped in the coverup. I think Linda Arndt was right on in her analysis because she was a sex crime investigator and this was a sex crime. I think her expertise was exactly what was needed early on.


Eureka, it's not a bad scenario for the intruder theory. I have 2 problems with it though.

1. the 2 high boys most likely would have left all kinds of evidence around. It's hard to imagine they didn't leave fingerprints all over the basement. Even if they had gloves on, they probably would have taken them off because they just weren't thinking straight.

2. The long long ransom note. If Sara wanted to kidnap JonBenet, she would have written a short note while the boys stuffed her through the window. I don't see any of them feeling comfortable enough in the house after being found out by JB that they would spend another 3 hours or so writing up a ransom note.

JMO
Cheb

 

[Peter Hamilton]

wow--this is the dumbest theory yet--not likely THREE people sneak in and lay in wait--One perp possibly--and smoking angel dust--lol--haven't heard that term since the '80's--and there's a million other things wrong with this new absurd theory,but they've already been addressed by other posters

 

[tumble]

Now you know why they say the devil is in the details, Tumble.

Too many details can crowd the doors of perception and stifle your inferences.

And by all means, stay away from duct tape. You seem to get stuck on it.

No sorry, it is already stuck, those fibres make it stick pretty hard.

And the flashlight seems to cling on pretty hard too.

 

[Eureka]

wow--this is the dumbest theory yet--not likely THREE people sneak in and lay in wait--One perp possibly--and smoking angel dust--lol--haven't heard that term since the '80's--and there's a million other things wrong with this new absurd theory,but they've already been addressed by other posters

Wow... Peter, why not give us all a thrill with something really new and insightful like, "I think the Ramseys did it."

As incredible as it sounds, three people or even thirty people could sneak in IF NO ONE IS HOME AT THE TIME THEY BREAK IN. Whaddaya think?

I'm not sure what the occupancy limit of the basement is but I'm fairly certain it holds at least four persons comfortably.

But I might have to agree with the you about the archaic angel dust term. It really undermines the whole theory, especially if you've been smoking it.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Who knows maybe a person who worked in the home went home and talked constantly about the life and times of the Ramseys. Maybe a relative of that worker just got plain mad and decided to hurt the family.

I know my mother talks about the personal business of people she worked for and of course other family members until your so sick and tired of hearing it you could scream.

 

[Eureka]

I'd like to introduce myself to the forum. My hat is Chebrock and I'm from the Dallas Texas area. I used to post regularly to the forums and was even able to see the Ramseys when they did their interview on "religious" tv near here. I participated with Steve Thomas when he did his online "chats" which involved questions and answers mostly. I do remember some people who are posting and am glad they are still around. The forums have changed quite a bit since I was around but then again, they really haven't changed much at all.

For the record, I believe John did it and Patsy helped in the coverup. I think Linda Arndt was right on in her analysis because she was a sex crime investigator and this was a sex crime. I think her expertise was exactly what was needed early on.


Eureka, it's not a bad scenario for the intruder theory. I have 2 problems with it though.

1. the 2 high boys most likely would have left all kinds of evidence around. It's hard to imagine they didn't leave fingerprints all over the basement. Even if they had gloves on, they probably would have taken them off because they just weren't thinking straight.

2. The long long ransom note. If Sara wanted to kidnap JonBenet, she would have written a short note while the boys stuffed her through the window. I don't see any of them feeling comfortable enough in the house after being found out by JB that they would spend another 3 hours or so writing up a ransom note.

JMO
Cheb

Good points.

1.) Considering how badly the police botched the initial investigation, and how they later focused almost exclusively on the Ramseys, it is possible that investigators might have overlooked important evidence. I imagine that the trio would have at least left a few hair samples behind.

2.) Recall that much of the ransom letter was written to convince the boys to kidnap Jonbenet instead of killing her. It had less to do with instructing the Ramseys about the ransom details. Moreover, the decision to kill Jonbenet could not have come easily. Therefore, any alternative idea would have been explored. In this context, the writing of the ransom letter would have been a welcomed, prolonged distraction.

3.) I never suggested that they spent three or more hours in the house after being discovered by JB. I can't imagine why they would.

 

[narlacat]

wow--this is the dumbest theory yet--not likely THREE people sneak in and lay in wait--One perp possibly--and smoking angel dust--lol--haven't heard that term since the '80's--and there's a million other things wrong with this new absurd theory,but they've already been addressed by other posters

Peter
Since this news broke, there's been no end of total crap posted here.
People who don't even know the details of the case are coming out with the most colourful scenario's.

You have to laugh, some of them are quite hilarious.

 

[dingo]

:slap: ..not nice

 

[southcitymom]

Perhaps when you're finished getting it on with that kangaroo you might fill us in on some of these details.

Take note: I said INSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, not the inane comments of some outback idiot seeking reassurance from his cyberdink.

Does NOT play well with others...I'll take my ball to a different thread.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Peter
Since this news broke, there's been no end of total crap posted here.
People who don't even know the details of the case are coming out with the most colourful scenario's.

You have to laugh, some of them are quite hilarious.

Nothing's as entertaining as aussiesheila's ever-evolving pedo ring theory complete with changing characters and scenes. Even pets are included in on the conspiracy in her mind. I kinda like this one with the drug use, that's a new spin, but stoned kids would never get out without leaving some forensic evidence somewhere, and not just a few random hairs.

Sometimes I don't even know how to start correcting the errors. I forgot which thread it was where someone claimed the Rs had been cleared. I laughed really hard once I got over the outrage that someone might see that and believe it.

John and Patsy Ramsey have NEVER been cleared as suspects.

Probably also runs with scissors!

 

[kazzbar]

Does NOT play well with others...I'll take my ball to a different thread.

I think I'm gonna take my ball and go home! See ya later guys. oh, yeah just because we live Down under does not mean me or Narla get it on with kangaroos!:furious: :furious:

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I think I'm gonna take my ball and go home! See ya later guys. oh, yeah just because we live Down under does not mean me or Narla get it on with kangaroos!:furious: :furious:

Heck no, it's nothing but KOALA LOVE!

 

[narlacat]

Nothing's as entertaining as aussiesheila's ever-evolving pedo ring theory complete with changing characters and scenes. Even pets are included in on the conspiracy in her mind. I kinda like this one with the drug use, that's a new spin, but stoned kids would never get out without leaving some forensic evidence somewhere, and not just a few random hairs.

Sometimes I don't even know how to start correcting the errors. I forgot which thread it was where someone claimed the Rs had been cleared. I laughed really hard once I got over the outrage that someone might see that and believe it.

John and Patsy Ramsey have NEVER been cleared as suspects.

Probably also runs with scissors!

Chuckle, chuckle.

I have tried to correct a few people along the way, but like you say it's too hard to keep up with the threads and the misinformation getting posted here lately.

 

[narlacat]

Heck no, it's nothing but KOALA LOVE!

Those little koalas are so cute.