VERDICT WATCH OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #85

[RAISINISBACK]

No, I don't wonder why the Peterson Road house wasn't burned.

BCI was looking at them for the murder of 8 people and they were trying to fly under the radar.

It benefited them a lot more to sell it.

It benefited them a lot more to sell it.

But we have no way of knowing that for certain do we? They could have been carrying half a million dollars in home owners insurance on that house. I am sure they were carrying way more than the 250,000 or so they sold it for as there was a lot of property with it. And they would have still owned the property and out buildings. So I am sure they would have benefited much more if pyromaniac Angie and pyromaniac Jake threw a chicken in some grease.

I think they probably broached the subject and George said "Not no, but he--ll no." He said he wanted no part in the burning of the last house on Bethal rd. He refused to take part in it. I cannot see him being on board with a house in his name where if it goes sideways he could be charged with insurance fraud.

ETA: And BCI guy testified that they were not looking at the W's until AFTER they sold the house and were packing up to move.

JMO

 

[gizmobtj]

I would think he would have to do so for both cases b/c he could wig out and decide he killed all eight again, by the time he testifies at G3's trial. He said he wouldn't lie but at this point, I'm not sure he knows what the truth looks like.

So, the trick there would be -- if GW4 is found guilty, do they hold off sentencing until Jake testifies in BW's trial

 

[Myland]

I wonder if Jake or Angela have had any visitors since they’ve been in jail. Or if any of them have. Or does Jake and Angela know what prison they will be going to.

 

[Myland]

Jmo the two newest deputies if convicted won’t be in the same prison since their charges are federal.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I've been trying to find something GW4 said when he testified but having no luck.

I remember reading a post, maybe a Twitter summary, where it stated that GW4 said something to the effect of Jake always tells the truth when he gets caught (paraphrasing).

Does anyone else remember that?

No george said Jake always ratted him (George) out if he did something wrong.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I've been trying to find something GW4 said when he testified but having no luck.

I remember reading a post, maybe a Twitter summary, where it stated that GW4 said something to the effect of Jake always tells the truth when he gets caught (paraphrasing).

Does anyone else remember that?

No george said Jake always ratted him (George) out if he did something wrong.

JMO

 

[Pru2U]

So, the trick there would be -- if GW4 is found guilty, do they hold off sentencing until Jake testifies in BW's trial

Hold off sentencing George? No.
George will be sentenced for any or all charges, depending on jury's findings on each charge. He could also be acquitted.

Hold off sentencing Jake? Yes.
Jake won't be formally sentenced until he testifies against BW (if needed). At that time, the DP should be removed from his sentence & he'll be moved from county jail to prison. Same for Angela.

That's my understanding so JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Didn't mean that to sound rude. I had to step away.

The families in that area and other rural areas like it are usually close for economic, lifestyle reasons and tradition. It's different from enmeshed families where healthy socialization is discouraged by choice or habit.

It's about raising your kids to be independent, instead of tied to the old apron strings. Hope that makes sense. JMO

I didn't take it as you being rude. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion.

where healthy socialization is discouraged
Angie tried that on George but it didn't work, as he was always out partying and chasing girls from a young age. I think he spent more time away from home than he did there.

Jake now, was a much different story.

We have also heard the stories where George made fun of Jake's holier than thou attitude. So Angie's brand of toxic poison parenting did not work on George.

JMO

 

[Pru2U]

Here's a question I have had -- does he need to testify to the satisfaction of the prosecutors in both cases for the death penalty to come of the table or does death get dropped for each defendant when he restifies to the satisfaction in their specific case

If George's case is the indicator, then it comes off each defendant Jake testifies against once he "satisfactorily" completes testimony of that particular defendant.

Jake & Angela won't be sentenced until after they testify against Billy.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jmo wow Jeff Tackett was paid to record Wagner’s. So they paid more than just Jake.

Was that in a tweet or podcast? If you can will you link me to it? TIA.

 

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Does Billy have a trial date?

Billy said that to jake.

Billy asked Jake if he (Jake) was frustrated with me (Billy) because of what he (Jake) had been made to do by me (Billy).

Like I said, as usual Jake was pushing blame for what him and Angie did themselves off on someone else. Just like witnesses testified that Jake always did to George. Jake did it, blamed it on George when caught, told Angie who also blamed it on George, so Jake could escape punishment.

In this case Jake is terrified of dying, so he gave AC what she wanted to avoid the DP by blaming George and Billy. While the state of Ohio is moving slowly in execution of people on death row right now, that could change any day and Jake instead of looking at a long life behind bars could have been looking death in the eye a couple of years down the road as any appeals he had would be automatically struck down.

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Oklahoma after a long period of not carrying out death penalties has again picked up in executing them after getting their lethal injection drugs corrected. Jake could have been looking at the same thing if Ohio gets it's method corrected. So instead of getting to spend years on death row he could have been executed in just a few years.

Angel mommy got her own plea deal by throwing George under the bus just like always.

Reporters Angenette Levy and Eric C who were in the court room during Angie's testimony said on the podcast Pretty lies that Angie never once even glanced at George from the time she was brought in until she left.

This shows she was lying about him and couldn't make eye contact with him or even look at the son she was trying to send to prison to save her own sorry azz. I hope the jury noticed that. Maybe her and Jake thought George was going to Hell anyway so why not help him get there a little faster.

I still believe whole heartedly that Angie had marked George for death. She carried life insurance on him and tried several time to get him to sign custody of his son over to her. If George had ever did that he would have suffered a fatal "hunting accident" or fatal "vehicle accident" shortly there after.

BCI saved Georges life.

JMO

AC wants to deliver the truth to the R family. Sadly, she hasn’t. JW and AW testimony is not the truth. We still have no idea what happened on UHR that night.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Paid by bci it was stated today while going over jury instructions. Capena yes paid to record but not paid to testify. Paid $100. Pretty low amount.

I need to listen to what went on today. I haven't did it yet but will tonight.

 

[Myland]

Was that in a tweet or podcast? If you can will you link me to it? TIA.

It was on you tube of proceedings today starting at 48 min. The video of court proceedings today.

Law and crime that was streamed 4 hours ago.

I can’t figure how to copy link.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I don’t think George was at UHR that night. I just don’t. I don’t think he participated in the planning (or he would have been there) I don’t know when he knew. Obstructed justice, maybe, same as Rita.

That is what I think too. Obstruction of justice after the fact. But even if he found out after MT by Ohio law it was not criminal to not tell on them, although I wish he would have went to BCI as soon as he knew and cut a deal for immunity.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Here's a question I have had -- does he need to testify to the satisfaction of the prosecutors in both cases for the death penalty to come of the table or does death get dropped for each defendant when he restifies to the satisfaction in their specific case

Well they dropped it for George today. That was a strategic move on Ac's part to influence the jury verdict. It is a lot harder to convict a man if you know you are sending him to death and not life. She sure didn't do it out of the kindness of her heart.

JMO

 

[silenced]

Well they dropped it for George today. That was a strategic move on Ac's part to influence the jury verdict. It is a lot harder to convict a man if you know you are sending him to death and not life. She sure didn't do it out of the kindness of her heart.

JMO

Or the truthfulness of JW testimony IMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jmo I agree. Think about those recordings George gets wound up, loudly wound up. So would Jake want to take someone into a situation like that to where you have to remain somewhat calm (at times extremely calm) to accomplish was Jake was wanting to accomplish.

I can't see him taking Billy or George. I think jake and Angie did it all. She fired that SKS, that's why all the shots went wild. After she stopped firing, while CR was injured and CR and GR still in shock and were off guard Jake ran in and killed them both. Her and Jake dragged CR and GR down that vinyl floor that was slick with blood so the bodies were easy to pull. Then Jake proceeded to methodically kill all the rest.

I think the right two pled guilty. I just wish Jake and Angel mommy would have gotten the death penalty.

JMo

 

[Myland]

I can't see him taking Billy or George. I think jake and Angie did it all. She fired that SKS, that's why all the shots went wild. After she stopped firing, while CR was injured and CR and GR still in shock and were off guard Jake ran in and killed them both. Her and Jake dragged CR and GR down that vinyl floor that was slick with blood so the bodies were easy to pull. Then Jake proceeded to methodically kill all the rest.

I think the right two pled guilty. I just wish Jake and Angel mommy would have gotten the death penalty.

JMo

I agree!

 

[Skully67]

Jmo after the verdict is reach is the jury feel to talk about trial?

I hope so.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I’m sure earbuds were the usual lol. Wonder who was responsible to make sure Vine was safe and in bed. Would George have gone to bed before Vine? I can totally see JW and AW slipping out unnoticed.

George said Vine usually went to bed when he did.

And yes I can see George not hearing Angie and jake leave to go kill 8 people. It was said Billy drank alcohol so he could have been passed out when they left.

JMO