GUILTY OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #86

[Pru2U]

Then why does Canepa keep referring to it?

Only AC knows the answer to that question. That interview has been a big bone of contention in these threads. We have ALL wanted to hear it.

 

[justtrish]

Defense hasn't been able to prove that anything Jake or Angela has said is a lie.

Never heard what GW4 thought when Jake confessed.

He never said anything from the stand about being upset about Jake or his mom telling lies about him.

I was listening for that too! He didn't say, I can't believe my brother lied and threw me under the bus. He said I can't believe he would that.. meaning murder people. So when he heard his brothers proffer and he said he heard it all, he was not upset about being blamed for something he didn't do?

 

[Cool Cats]

All very important in showing AW and Jake were telling the truth and GW4 was lying about key evidence.

It is all in these details. Everyone wants that big AH HA! Moment but the AH HA moment is how everything all put together adds up.

Against you George Wagner and your crime family. You could have stopped Jake, you didn't. Ditto your dad.

 

[justtrish]

Jmo the state said the planning and purchasing started Jan 2016 and Billy was the mastermind. To me this proves Jake and Angela lied on the stand because in late Feb in the text between Billy and Angela Billy was still talking about going to court. He did not have the BIG so call idea until after Jan. So with that proof it is another reason I believe Jake and Angela are both capable of lying on George. If I was on Jury I would like to see those text messages again to verify timeline.

I think they knew something needed to happen starting in January. They had other ideas, ratting Chris Sr out, killing Hannah and her boyfriend to look like a murder suicide. I think they had the idea something needed to happen and it doesn't mean they didn't have the court thought or the back up plan going for the courts in case something fell through. I recall Billy sending a text to Angela in mid Feb. during her texts about him living in a camper near the house, them running off with the kids, and her continued concerns for Sophia, etc. He said I have a plan. I think THAT was maybe the text with the plan to kill them all. I think saying the planning started in Jan isn't false when they had other possible things they were thinking over and eliminated for various reasons. I recall the murder suicide was ruled out because Chris Sr and Frankie would know it was them and come after them. Then Billy wasn't going to rat Chris Sr out (maybe Chris Sr knew too many of Billy's secrets too and he feared Chris sr telling all his crimes).

 

[Pru2U]

The Facebook messages that AW hacked into revealed Hanna's comment about "they'll have to kill me first". Angela shared Hanna's message with both Jake and GW4. The planning began not long after that.

JMO, they were planning for either eventuality - court or murder. It was pretty obvious that they had next to zero chance of winning in court.

This is my own opinion on timing:

BCI Canepa said it was Hannah's messages that promoted the planning and that could be true, at least in part but I believe the move to the new home & Hanna preparing to fight back in court is what did it.

Once CR secured a suitable home & Dana moved the kids away from Chris's grow-op, Wagner's knew they didn't stand a chance at getting custody (because the stories about s-assault were not true & they never intended to use that in court). I believe Angela began leaning on Billy in earnest when she found out DR was moving Hanna & babies to new home.

Side note: Jake may have convinced his family that the infant was his (even though he knew it wasn't) so they waited for the birth.

JMO

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

Only AC knows the answer to that question.

Yeah. I get that. I was venting. So weird, right?

Sorry, I can't keep up with any of these threads, tbh.

 

[Betty P]

This is my own opinion on timing:

BCI Canepa said it was Hannah's messages that promoted the planning and that could be true, at least in part but I believe the move to the new home & Hanna preparing to fight back in court is what did it.

Once CR secured a suitable home & Dana moved the kids away from Chris's grow-op, Wagner's knew they didn't stand a chance at getting custody (because the stories about s-assault were not true & they never intended to use that in court). I believe Angela began leaning on Billy in earnest when she found out DR was moving Hanna & babies to new home.

Side note: Jake may have convinced his family that the infant was his (even though he knew it wasn't) so they waited for the birth.

JMO

Agree on all of this. Today, AC pointed out specifically that the planning began after the messages, etc. She wanted to point out to the jury that Angela showed Hanna's message to Jake AND George.

 

[rescuemom]

I was somewhat critical of AC after her opening but got used to her delivery during the trial. I think the jury would have connected with either AC or AW but today, I felt like she not only covered what needed to be mentioned again, she kind of inserted what the jury has seen and heard with what she said in her opening to complete the story. Also, when she covered the charges and gave examples of George's actions or his testimony to illustrate the charges against him, it was helpful. I think she did a good job, she is slower but maybe the jury is too) It was a lot for them to take in. Collectively, I bet they will depend on what they feel from what they heard, not try to remember every technical or specific piece of evidence. The state proved their case against George without pointing out that he was a murderer. He was just a coward who went along, just another job his mother told him to do.

 

[justtrish]

Only AC knows the answer to that question. That interview has been a big bone of contention in these threads. We have ALL wanted to hear it.

I think if it was that big of a deal and what AC was asking or saying wasn't true, the defense would have objected and they would have played it. I think they likely advised George to say exactly what he said. He didn't recall saying that. For some reason the defense didn't want it played either or they would have played it. Maybe they didn't want to highlight his lies either. If he was really asked to be a spy, they would have played it. Most ask why didn't the state play it then, but why aren't we asking why the defense didn't play it? Maybe because he said 15 times that he would have heard someone leave that night, maybe because he said he wasn't sleeping till 1230 and then on the stand he said something else. Why would AC ask him a question about something he said if he didn't say it? Why wouldn't the defense object if it was a lie and why wouldn't George deny saying it if it was a lie.

If George would have said, I didn't say that or denied the statements she was asking him about, then they might have played the tape. He never denied saying any of the statements at the border. He only said he didn't recall. I don't think AC needed to play the tape. I don't think the defense wanted the tape played and for that reason I don't think that tape helped George in any way or they would have played it.

AC didn't need to play a 4 hour interview to get the info out. After he testified, she just him about the inconsistent statements and instead of denying them, he said he didn't remember. That speaks a lot because he did remember a whole lot of things much less important than his alibi, but he just can't recall what he said about where he was when 8 people were murdered.

 

[rescuemom]

I honestly thought the judge gave out jury instructions. She's giving out jury instructions. I have not been able to listen, just a bit here and there. It's just sensory overload, auditory most especially. I cannot follow her. All the uhms, right, etc... I will say, I've not heard the term, "Ollie, Ollie, in-come, free" , in many a moon.

She did not give out jury instructions. She clarified and gave examples of the charges against George

 

[Betty P]

Only AC knows the answer to that question. That interview has been a big bone of contention in these threads. We have ALL wanted to hear it.

I think it's actually not such a big deal, here's why:

AC didn't want the audio of the interview played before GW4's testimony because, as she did with Jake and AW.

ACs didn't want George to use the border interview to make sure his testimony matched it. She was right, his story didn't match.

Later in the trial, after he testified, it seems defense could have introduced that audio of the interview, but they didn't.

Maybe everyone should be asking why the defense didn't play the interview when they could.

Now watch them play it tomorrow as part of their closing statement.

 

[rescuemom]

I wonder how long the defense will take for closing arguments. I feel like they will keep it straight and to the point like they did in openings.

Long enough to minimize George's involvement. Straight and to the point...their whole opening statement was a lie, proving they have nothing to defend him with. No evidence, no witnesses...almost feel sorry for them. Expect it to be snarky but AC will have the last word!!!

 

[rescuemom]

I think it's actually not such a big deal, here's why:

AC didn't want the audio of the interview played before GW4's testimony because, as she did with Jake and AW.

ACs didn't want George to use the border interview to make sure his testimony matched it. She was right, his story didn't match.

Later in the trial, after he testified, it seems defense could have introduced that audio of the interview, but they didn't.

Maybe everyone should be asking why the defense didn't play the interview when they could.

Now watch them play it tomorrow as part of their closing statement.

They have rested their pathetic case.

 

[Betty P]

I think if it was that big of a deal and what AC was asking or saying wasn't true, the defense would have objected and they would have played it. I think they likely advised George to say exactly what he said. He didn't recall saying that. For some reason the defense didn't want it played either or they would have played it. Maybe they didn't want to highlight his lies either. If he was really asked to be a spy, they would have played it. Most ask why didn't the state play it then, but why aren't we asking why the defense didn't play it? Maybe because he said 15 times that he would have heard someone leave that night, maybe because he said he wasn't sleeping till 1230 and then on the stand he said something else. Why would AC ask him a question about something he said if he didn't say it? Why wouldn't the defense object if it was a lie and why wouldn't George deny saying it if it was a lie.

If George would have said, I didn't say that or denied the statements she was asking him about, then they might have played the tape. He never denied saying any of the statements at the border. He only said he didn't recall. I don't think AC needed to play the tape. I don't think the defense wanted the tape played and for that reason I don't think that tape helped George in any way or they would have played it.

AC didn't need to play a 4 hour interview to get the info out. After he testified, she just him about the inconsistent statements and instead of denying them, he said he didn't remember. That speaks a lot because he did remember a whole lot of things much less important than his alibi, but he just can't recall what he said about where he was when 8 people were murdered.

Was thinking of this the other day. George saying "I don't recall" when asked about his statements in the border interview really indicates he was lying in that interview and couldn't remember what fake answer he gave.

 

[Skully67]

Was thinking of this the other day. George saying "I don't recall" when asked about his statements in the border interview really indicates he was lying in that interview and couldn't remember what fake answer he gave.

We know he lied in the border interview. They all lied to cover for each other.

 

[justtrish]

I think it's actually not such a big deal, here's why:

AC didn't want the audio of the interview played before GW4's testimony because, as she did with Jake and AW.

ACs didn't want George to use the border interview to make sure his testimony matched it. She was right, his story didn't match.

Later in the trial, after he testified, it seems defense could have introduced that audio of the interview, but they didn't.

Maybe everyone should be asking why the defense didn't play the interview when they could.

Now watch them play it tomorrow as part of their closing statement.

IANAL, but I don't think new evidence can be introduced during closing. Evidence already admitted into evidence can be played or show, but I don't think something new can be introduced.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Does any of you Sleuthers have any idea why Fredericka and Robin was not called to testify for George Wagner iv???? JMO

 

[justtrish]

Long enough to minimize George's involvement. Straight and to the point...their whole opening statement was a lie, proving they have nothing to defend him with. No evidence, no witnesses...almost feel sorry for them. Expect it to be snarky but AC will have the last word!!!

Members of the jury, our fine upstanding, law abiding client, is the real victim here. The victim of Jake and Angela (and apparently the prosecutors, BCI, the judge, *insert whoever else here*) Our client was home sleeping that night and is so shocked to learn his family did this. Everyone is mistaken or lying except him so find him not guilty.

MOO

 

[Skully67]

Does any of you Sleuthers have any idea why Fredericka and Robin was not called to testify for George Wagner iv???? JMO

Maybe when the defense team interviewed them, they were deemed to be detrimental to GW4.

 

[Cool Cats]

Does any of you Sleuthers have any idea why Fredericka and Robin was not called to testify for George Wagner iv???? JMO

Oh great! I was hoping you would come back on the thread and stay on here. We still have Billy left.

That is a good question, I can't remember if it was the prosecution or defense who subpoenaed them.

From looking at the Docket it seems like the prosecution issued the subpoenas because the prosecution called some of these witnesses to the stand. Interesting, they didn't use Rita Newcomb either.

08/22/2022 SUBPOENA ISSUED ON RANDA HUGHES, RITA NEWCOMB, ROBERT WAGNER, JULIA WAGNER, KATY WAGNER, CHRIS NEWCOMB, ROBIN WAGNER & FREDERICKA WAGNER

08/22/2022 SUBPOENAS SERVED BY BCI BY PERSONAL SERVICE ON RANDA HUGHES, FREDRICKA WAGNER, ROBIN WAGNER, CHRIS NEWCOMB, RITA NEWCOMB, JAMES MANLEY, APRIL MANLEY, SHAWN WATSON, DONALD STONE, EMMA MORGAN, AND BILLY MORGAN ON 8-22-2022