OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #88

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So Fredricka Wagner and her attorney want out of the civil lawsuit and are saying they had no involvement in the planning and cover up of the murders. Although I have never saw any evidence or information that she was part of the planning of the murders....There is testimony under oath that she was present during a meeting to try to coverup the wagner's involvement after the murders. Toward the bottom of the following article Elizabeth testifies that Fredricka Wagner was present at a meeting when the Wagners knew BCI was closing in on them.

Ex-wife of Pike County murder trial defendant’s brother testifies about alleged abuse
 
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So Fredricka Wagner and her attorney want out of the civil lawsuit and are saying they had no involvement in the planning and cover up of the murders. Although I have never saw any evidence or information that she was part of the planning of the murders....There is testimony under oath that she was present during a meeting to try to coverup the wagner's involvement after the murders. Toward the bottom of the following article Elizabeth testifies that Fredricka Wagner was present at a meeting when the Wagners knew BCI was closing in on them.

Ex-wife of Pike County murder trial defendant’s brother testifies about alleged abuse
Angela also testified that Fredericka told her she would lie and say that Angela bought the shoes for Bob. That is in an artice I posted a few days ago.

I am not sure if the meeting Beth testified to was the same meeting that prosecution spoke of at FW arraingment about retaliation or there are two different meetings that FW was at.
 
  • #223
So Fredricka Wagner and her attorney want out of the civil lawsuit and are saying they had no involvement in the planning and cover up of the murders. Although I have never saw any evidence or information that she was part of the planning of the murders....There is testimony under oath that she was present during a meeting to try to coverup the wagner's involvement after the murders. Toward the bottom of the following article Elizabeth testifies that Fredricka Wagner was present at a meeting when the Wagners knew BCI was closing in on them.

Ex-wife of Pike County murder trial defendant’s brother testifies about alleged abuse
Angela also testified that Fredericka told her she would lie and say that Angela bought the shoes for Bob. That is in aNn artice I posted a few days ago.

I am not sure if the meeting Beth testified to was the same meeting that prosecution spoke of at FW arraingment about retaliation or there are two different meetings that FW was at.

So Tony's attorney is going to investigate to see if FW is liable in some way.

Angela should be called as a witness to be confronted with her testimony that Fred said she would lie about the shoes which shoes she was trying to keep the Wagner's from being arrested.

Beth, Jake's ex, should be called as a witness to testify that FW was present during revenge talks and there should be information she can offer on that front.

And Scheiderer should be to present evidence that Fred's computer showed searches on how to lie to the GJ the night before she was to testify.

The murder kit items were hidden in water on her property and there might be a tie -in to her possibly knowing about it. Again using witness testimony.

Her many bank accounts and digital devices are extensively listed in the discovery and these could have ties to helping the Wagner's cover up their crimes.

She is listed in all 4 of the Wagner indictments:

Count 22 Engaging in a Pattern of Corrupt activity - A Felony of the First Degree

...and/or Fredericka Carol Wagner and/or any other unidentified and/or unknown individual(s), did conduct or participate in, directly, or indirectly the affairs of the enterprise through a pattern of rupt activity or a collection of an unlawful debt, to wit: engaging, either individually, or while being aided and abetted by member of the enterprise who facilitated the incidences of corrupt activity in conduct constituting the offenses including but not limited to the following, to wit: Aggravated Murder, and/or Murder and/or Aggravated Burglary and/or Unlawful Possession of a Dangerous Ordinance and/or Tampering with Evidence and/or Obstructing Justice.

NOTICE OF INTENT TO USE OTHER ACTS EV

NOTICE OF INTENT TO USE OTHER ACTS EVIDENCE
 
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So Tony's attorney is going to investigate to see if FW is liable in some way.

Angela should be called as a witness to be confronted with her testimony that Fred said she would lie about the shoes which shoes she was trying to keep the Wagner's from being arrested.

Beth, Jake's ex, should be called as a witness to testify that FW was present during revenge talks and there should be information she can offer on that front.

And Scheiderer should be to present evidence that Fred's computer showed searches on how to lie to the GJ the night before she was to testify.

The murder kit items were hidden in water on her property and there might be a tie -in to her possibly knowing about it. Again using witness testimony.

Her many bank accounts and digital devices are extensively listed in the discovery and these could have ties to helping the Wagner's cover up their crimes.

She is listed in all 4 of the Wagner indictments:

Count 22 Engaging in a Pattern of Corrupt activity - A Felony of the First Degree

...and/or Fredericka Carol Wagner and/or any other unidentified and/or unknown individual(s), did conduct or participate in, directly, or indirectly the affairs of the enterprise through a pattern of rupt activity or a collection of an unlawful debt, to wit: engaging, either individually, or while being aided and abetted by member of the enterprise who facilitated the incidences of corrupt activity in conduct constituting the offenses including but not limited to the following, to wit: Aggravated Murder, and/or Murder and/or Aggravated Burglary and/or Unlawful Possession of a Dangerous Ordinance and/or Tampering with Evidence and/or Obstructing Justice.

NOTICE OF INTENT TO USE OTHER ACTS EV

NOTICE OF INTENT TO USE OTHER ACTS EVIDENCE
I believe in some articles it stated that Duncan will depose FW, AW and JW. It was said that Billy and George would not cooperate, I assume due to the upcoming trial of Billy and George's appeal.
 
  • #225
I believe in some articles it stated that Duncan will depose FW, AW and JW. It was said that Billy and George would not cooperate, I assume due to the upcoming trial of Billy and George's appeal.

Interesting the article states there are 2 other defendants not named. Any ideas?

Agree, Fredericka will have a difficult time extricating herself from this lawsuit. Other evidence and witness testimony not allowed or used in the criminal trial may be used in the civil trial.
 
  • #226
Interesting the article states there are 2 other defendants not named. Any ideas?

Agree, Fredericka will have a difficult time extricating herself from this lawsuit. Other evidence and witness testimony not allowed or used in the criminal trial may be used in the civil trial.
From the news link:

The wrongful death lawsuit was filed in November 2020 by relatives and/or administrators of the victims’ estates including Tony Rhoden.
The other defendants named in the lawsuit are Billy Wagner, Angela Wagner, George Wagner and Jake Wagner, Newcomb and two people who are not named.


One of the unnamed is Fredericka. The other, John Doe Newcomb?
 
  • #227
From the news link:

The wrongful death lawsuit was filed in November 2020 by relatives and/or administrators of the victims’ estates including Tony Rhoden.
The other defendants named in the lawsuit are Billy Wagner, Angela Wagner, George Wagner and Jake Wagner, Newcomb and two people who are not named.


One of the unnamed is Fredericka. The other, John Doe Newcomb?
Fredericka was named in the original lawsuit along with Newcomb and the 4 W's. I am not sure what that article means about two people not named. (original civil lawsuit attached) There are John Doe defendants named which I think is like a place holder in case another defendant comes to light at some point. If so, I think the statue of limitations would still be in effect. There was John Doe named in the indictments also.

There is no civil suit for Kenneth, Dana, Hannah, or Gary that I am aware of.
 
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Fredericka was named in the original lawsuit along with Newcomb and the 4 W's. I am not sure what that article means about two people not named. (original civil lawsuit attached) There are John Doe defendants named which I think is like a place holder in case another defendant comes to light at some point. If so, I think the statue of limitations would still be in effect. There was John Doe named in the indictments also.

There is no civil suit for Kenneth, Dana, Hannah, or Gary that I am aware of.

What a poorly written article! How easy would it be to simply state two unnamed John/Jane Doe's. Thank you for including the link to suit.

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WAVERLY, Ohio — In a victory for press freedom, felony wiretapping charges against Derek Myers, the publisher and editor-in-chief of the Guardian, have been dismissed, marking a victory for press freedom and journalistic integrity. The charges stemmed from Myers’ publication of audio from a courtroom, featuring the public testimony of Jake Wagner, a key witness in the 2022 George Wagner IV murder trial.




 
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There are John Doe defendants named which I think is like a place holder in case another defendant comes to light at some point.

That might be it. Recall, they also had placeholders in the criminal charges against the Wagners.
 
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WAVERLY, Ohio — In a victory for press freedom, felony wiretapping charges against Derek Myers, the publisher and editor-in-chief of the Guardian, have been dismissed, marking a victory for press freedom and journalistic integrity. The charges stemmed from Myers’ publication of audio from a courtroom, featuring the public testimony of Jake Wagner, a key witness in the 2022 George Wagner IV murder trial.




Were these recordings ever released to the public??
 
  • #232
Were these recordings ever released to the public??
I believe there was about a 10 minute audio clip published on the Scioto Valley Guardian site of a portion of Jake's testimony. Caylee Advocate may have more information.
 
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The problem with this guy and his lawsuits against the court during George's trial are that his secret recording antics disrupted the trial and gave George's attorneys an excuse to appeal the verdict. JMO, you have to wonder if that was the original intention of that guy. Could it also cause problems for the court if the same thing happens with Billy's trial. Maybe some don't agree, but I don't think Billy or George should ever be free again. They're dangerous people regardless of whether they're from a wealthy, powerful family. JMO
 
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George Wagner pretrial statement. Civil Case
08/17/2023DEFENDANT GEORGE W. WAGNER IV PRE-TRIAL STATEMENT FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M
 

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George Wagner pretrial statement. Civil Case
08/17/2023DEFENDANT GEORGE W. WAGNER IV PRE-TRIAL STATEMENT FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M
I am confused and perplexed how a witness or records from "slim and trim" could have played a role in these murders or help exonerate George Wagner IV. But, at this point, nothing in this case should surprise me.
 
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I am confused and perplexed how a witness or records from "slim and trim" could have played a role in these murders or help exonerate George Wagner III. But, at this point, nothing in this case should surprise me.
I am confused how many or any of those witnesses could help him in a civil trial or any trial. That pretrial statement is for George IV, I did not make that clear in my post, sorry.
 
  • #237
I am confused how many or any of those witnesses could help him in a civil trial or any trial. That pretrial statement is for George IV, I did not make that clear in my post, sorry.
your right. it was for George IV. I got confused but just now edited my post with the correction.
 
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your right. it was for George IV. I got confused but just now edited my post with the correction.
It's also a little strange that Nash is apparently representing George in the civil suit for free? I just assume its for free, maybe not.
 
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It's also a little strange that Nash is apparently representing George in the civil suit for free? I just assume its for free, maybe not.
I think he enjoyed the spotlight, IMO
 
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