OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #88

[Covert Operative]

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[Cool Cats]

I think you are right. I feel her lawyers probably will welcome not acting as her attorney's any longer and hope she gets new ones. They probably wished the whole time they could quit. They did seem to negotiate her a good deal though, considering. I feel the prosecution might have thought jurors would not believe Jake alone, so they agreed to a deal to get her testimony also. She does not deserve to be out ever.

Speaking of not deserving of getting out, Angela specifically said her reason for her plea deal was so she could "hold her grandbabies again "

She hasn't faced her reality yet that her 2 grandkids will be 35 and 36 years old when she ages out of her sentence at 78.

She will likely have great grandchildren by this time who do not know her whatsoever until they get older and look her up on the internet, which I'm sure they will do, in my opinion.

I wonder if George has finally accepted he will die in prison? He sure didn't accept it during his trial and arrogant testimony.

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[Puzzles8]

Speaking of not deserving of getting out, Angela specifically said her reason for her plea deal was so she could "hold her grandbabies again "

She hasn't faced her reality yet that her 2 grandkids will be 35 and 36 years old when she ages out of her sentence at 78.

She will likely have great grandchildren by this time who do not know her whatsoever until they get older and look her up on the internet, which I'm sure they will do, in my opinion.

I wonder if George has finally accepted he will die in prison? He sure didn't accept it during his trial and arrogant testimony.

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I worry and pray for her biological grandchildren. I hope they are in good hands. I hope they've managed to forget the warped manner and ways they were raised prior to the arrests. I hope they never see their father's or grandparent's that were involved in this case again.

They are at such an impressionable age now. Hope they are ok.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

She still isn't used to getting an immediate answer or things her way, poor dear. I have a question. Please understand that I am not sure how these things work. When a change of venue is granted does that also mean a new judge or is it just the place?

I see that @Covert Operative provided you with a response, however, it is my understanding (amateur opinion) that if there is a change of venue, which would also mean a change in county, then it would be a different judge presiding. moo

 

[Covert Operative]

Billy Wagner

11/20/2023

JUDGMENT ENTRY -- THE COURT FINDS AND ORDERS THAT THE DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE AND HIS AMENDED MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE ARE HEREBY DENIED AND OVERRULED, WITHOUT PREJUDICE; THESE MOTIONS ARE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE IN ORDER THAT SHOULD VOIR DIRE REVEAL THAT A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL JURY CANNOT BE SECURED, THEN THESE MOTIONS FOR CHANGE OF VENUE CAN BE RENEWED BY THE DEFENDANT AND GRANTED AS APPROPRIATECOPIES FILED EMAILED TO ALL COUNSEL OF RECORD

 

[arielilane]

I see that @Covert Operative provided you with a response, however, it is my understanding (amateur opinion) that if there is a change of venue, *** which would also mean a change in county, then it would be a different judge presiding. moo

Want to clarify my quote *** if change of venue is also a change in the county, then it would be a different judge who will preside. moo

 

[arielilane]

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[arielilane]

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[Covert Operative]

Judge decision for not granting venue change at this time.

 

[Cool Cats]

Want to clarify my quote *** if change of venue is also a change in the county, then it would be a different judge who will preside. moo

But not with a visiting judge, they go anywhere....2 cents

 

[Cool Cats]

Judge decision for not granting venue change at this time.

Thank You!

So I expect a decision will be filed on Angela's Motion. How incredible it would be to read what the judge might say about her numerous accusations, how he words his response will be very interesting.

I think there needs to be some type of official (legal?) reason for a judge to grant new attorneys and certain court protocol for that.

To put it bluntly - Angela wants to fire her attorneys and this is a big deal and her request may not meet the criteria for it. Maybe it is too late, she already pled guilty.

I wonder if, whoever her attorneys are, they will argue at her sentencing for her to get her 30 years per plea agreement, not sure if they need to?

These Motions you post are pretty incredible to read.

 

[Seattle1]

Billy Wagner

11/20/2023

JUDGMENT ENTRY -- THE COURT FINDS AND ORDERS THAT THE DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE AND HIS AMENDED MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE ARE HEREBY DENIED AND OVERRULED, WITHOUT PREJUDICE; THESE MOTIONS ARE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE IN ORDER THAT SHOULD VOIR DIRE REVEAL THAT A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL JURY CANNOT BE SECURED, THEN THESE MOTIONS FOR CHANGE OF VENUE CAN BE RENEWED BY THE DEFENDANT AND GRANTED AS APPROPRIATECOPIES FILED EMAILED TO ALL COUNSEL OF RECORD

I just looked at Ohio Rules for Criminal Procedure - Rule 18: Venue and Change of Venue, and find it grossly lacking. It would be impossible for either party requesting a change and the Court granting the Motion prior to voir dire, and can only predict the trial will be delayed.

For example, Ohio's governing Rule is limited to following guidance:

RULE 18. Venue and Change of Venue.
(A) General venue provisions

The venue of a criminal case shall be as provided by law.

(B) Change of venue; procedure upon change of venue

Upon the motion of any party or upon its own motion the court may transfer an action to
any court having jurisdiction of the subject matter outside the county in which trial would otherwise be held, when it appears that a fair and impartial trial cannot be held in the court in which the action is pending.

(1) Time of motion

A motion under this rule shall be made within thirty-five days after arraignment or seven days before trial, whichever is earlier, or at such reasonable time later as the court may permit.

[..] (where items 2 - 5 address the process AFTER a change of venue granted).

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Nowhere above does Ohio Rule 18 address how the moving party is to measure the appearance that a fair and impartial trial cannot be held in the court in which the action is pending and how the moving party is to demonstrate the same to the Court for determination!

For comparison, I offer Colorado Rule 21 - Change of Venue or Judge, as an example which recognizes why and how the Order will be granted.


If you believe your case has received a massive amount of media coverage – most likely the articles or television coverage will not come close to the kind of publicity required for a change of venue.

In order to obtain a change of venue in Colorado based on prejudicial pretrial publicity – the defendant must prove that …

• The publicity is widespread.

• At least some of the publicity is inaccurate and inflammatory.

• The pretrial publicity has prejudiced the defendant and has caused widespread belief of the defendant’s guilt within the potential jury pool.

CO Rule 21 - Change of Venue or Judge

Rule 21. Change of Venue or Judge

(a) Change of Venue.

(1) For Fair or Expeditious Trial. The place of trial may be changed when the court in its sound discretion determines that a fair or expeditious trial cannot take place in the county or district in which the trial is pending.

(2) The Motion for Change of Venue.

(I) A motion for a change of venue shall be in writing and accompanied by one or more affidavits setting forth the facts upon which the moving party relies, or in lieu of such affidavits the motion, with approval of the court, may contain a stipulation of the parties to a change of venue.

(II) The written motion and the affidavits shall be served upon the opposing party 7 days before the hearing; the nonmoving party may submit a written brief or affidavit or both in opposition to the motion.

(III) As soon as practicable, the court may hold a hearing on the motion.

[..]

 

[arielilane]

PIKE COUNTY MURDERS UPDATE: The judge has denied Billy Wagner's request for a change of venue - his trial will stay in Waverly...for now.Judgement says this could be reconsidered if they can't seat a jury during voir dire.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727055827742142943

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[arielilane]

BREAKING: Billy Wagner #PikeCountyMassacre trial will stay in Pike County.

The spring murder trial of George "Billy" Wagner III will stay in Pike County, with the judge in the case today ruling against Wagner's request for a change of venue.

If the jury selection process in Wagner's trial "reveals that a fair and impartial jury cannot be secured," Wagner can renew his call for a new location, according to visiting judge R. Alan Corbin's order. 1/4

Wagner argued that excessive media attention to the 2016 #PikeCountyMassacre case -- including the fall 2022 trial of Wagner's son, George IV -- would make seating undecided jurors in Pike County difficult. 2/4

During an Oct. 4 hearing on the change of venue motion, Corbin set May 6, 2024, as the start of Billy Wagner's trial. 3/4

.@Enquirer has requested a copy of Corbin's order. Updates to come. 4/4

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726724486412787737

Billy Wagner's 2024 murder trial will stay in Pike County

George "Billy" Wagner III said Pike County cannot seat undecided jurors for his May 2024 murder trial. A judge disagreed.

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11.20.2023

The spring murder trial of George "Billy" Wagner III will stay in Pike County, with the judge in the case on Monday ruling against Wagner's request for a change of venue.

If the jury selection process in Wagner's trial "reveals that a fair and impartial jury cannot be secured," Wagner can renew his call for a new location, according to visiting judge R. Alan Corbin's order.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

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A little O/T but Billy's lead attorney, MC seems to be off his game and on a losing streak. A case from 2019 just netted his client 28 years for aggravated assault and abduction.

 

[Cool Cats]

Great photo! Thanks (from link)

Such a cute family, sad and horrible they ruined lives...
This is their 5th Thanksgiving locked up.

November 18, 2018

New docuseries on Wagner trial, Rhoden murders premieres this week

PIKE COUNTY, Ohio — In a forthcoming documentary premiering this week, Oxygen will delve into the tragic events of the Rhoden massacre in Pike County. The harrowing incident unfolded on April 21 an…

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A little O/T but Billy's lead attorney, MC seems to be off his game and on a losing streak. A case from 2019 just netted his client 28 years for aggravated assault and abduction.

Good. Billy can get a life sentence

 

[Covert Operative]

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[Covert Operative]

At the bottom of this article are 1077 pages of court proceedings/Jake's testimony during trial.

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[Betty P]

At the bottom of this article are 1077 pages of court proceedings/Jake's testimony during trial.

[Body Bags Special] The Piketon Massacre: 1 Night. 4 Crime Scenes. 8 Murders.

In a special episode of Body Bags, host Joseph Scott Morgan and co-host Dave Mack break down the senseless Piketon County murders, which left eight people dead, despite a close friendship between the suspects and victims. The Rhodens and the Wagners lived next to each other for years in Piketon...

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Sounds like a great resource for those who are new to the case. It’s a somewhat difficult and complicated series of crime scenes and victims, along with the complicated lives and relationships of the killers. The amount of evidence is also high.

 

[Niner]

Not sure if this was posted yet from the court site....

Docket update - Billy

Date Docket Text
11/20/2023 JUDGMENT ENTRY -- THE COURT FINDS AND ORDERS THAT THE DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE AND HIS AMENDED MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE ARE HEREBY DENIED AND OVERRULED, WITHOUT PREJUDICE; THESE MOTIONS ARE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE IN ORDER THAT SHOULD VOIR DIRE REVEAL THAT A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL JURY CANNOT BE SECURED, THEN THESE MOTIONS FOR CHANGE OF VENUE CAN BE RENEWED BY THE DEFENDANT AND GRANTED AS APPROPRIATE
COPIES FILED EMAILED TO ALL COUNSEL OF RECORD

link: https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/e...VUSFU3d9SLLZF*44-qNxZQwIwu2rJkAtR8mtfQzRSBW7w