OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #89

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[Betty P]

Yes, there is evidence against him. I think he would be convicted, but I wonder if it would be of something lesser without their testimony.

All they have to do is convince the jury that Billy was at a crime scene that night. That's all it takes for the murder charges, according to Ohio law. There may be some of the lesser charges that will drop, like something related to his weapon, possibly the charge related to the home made silencer, etc.

JMO, they have enough to convict him on charges related to the cover up, too.

 

[Cool Cats]

I can't imagine Jake passing up a chance to be the center of attention and talk.

Yes, there is that.

Didn't he demand to the families they had to forgive him?

 

[Betty P]

Yes, there is that.

Didn't he demand to the families they had to forgive him?

Yes he did.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, there is that.

Didn't he demand to the families they had to forgive him?

Yeah, the monstrous nerve of that guy, preaching to the victim's families

 

[Cool Cats]

Yeah, the monstrous nerve of that guy, preaching to the victim's families

He also says they call him preacher and claims God is working in his life.

He is mentally ill in my opinion.

I think this is all a show for FW. He wants her support and money and she is very religious so this is a good way for him to go about it. He lied for years that other monsters, not him, did the unspeakable.

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Opinion

 

[Betty P]

He also says they call him preacher and claims God is working in his life.

He is mentally ill in my opinion.

I think this is all a show for FW. He wants her support and money and she is very religious so this is a good way for him to go about it. He lied for years that other monsters, not him, did the unspeakable.

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He probably also thought she would appreciate him insulting the victims families. The families have never heard a word of sympathy or apology from FW.

 

[Cool Cats]

He probably also thought she would appreciate him insulting the victims families. The families have never heard a word of sympathy or apology from FW.

She might not see his behavior as an insult....2 Cents

 

[sunshineray]

So is everything going to be decided June 12th, all the arguments laid out and the time, location AND the DP charges decided/ruled on 30-60 after the hearing?? This is the MOST ridiculous case, as far as getting it to trial, I think I've ever seen. Almost 10 years of baloney just to get to trial!!? Is Hein going to be THE judge presiding at trial?

 

[Betty P]

So is everything going to be decided June 12th, all the arguments laid out and the time, location AND the DP charges decided/ruled on 30-60 after the hearing?? This is the MOST ridiculous case, as far as getting it to trial, I think I've ever seen. Almost 10 years of baloney just to get to trial!!? Is Hein going to be THE judge presiding at trial?

With Junk in charge of that decision, probably so. I have my suspicions about him, as usual.

 

[sunshineray]

With Junk in charge of that decision, probably so. I have my suspicions about him, as usual.

Junk had to recuse, no? Wasn't he replace by Judge Cobin...something like that?

 

[Betty P]

Junk had to recuse, no? Wasn't he replace by Judge Cobin...something like that?

Correct, he's the one who appoints the replacement judge for these trials.

 

[Niner]

Junk had to recuse, no? Wasn't he replace by Judge Cobin...something like that?

per my notes:
Presiding Judge Jonathan P. Hein replaced (on 5/29/24) Judge R. Alan Corbin [health reasons].

 

[Betty P]

per my notes:
Presiding Judge Jonathan P. Hein replaced (on 5/29/24) Judge R. Alan Corbin [health reasons].

Right. There was a previous judge who only served for one hearing, IIRC, then Hein replaced him.

 

[sunshineray]

Right. There was a previous judge who only served for one hearing, IIRC, then Hein replaced him.

And he reduced EJW's sentence and took away the DP for G"B"W. I doubt the appeals from the P to reinstate the DP charge will work with Judge Hein. So does that mean EJW won't have to testify against his father? Or does he still have to because of his brother's sentence of LWOP? Is this whole "deal" EJW made negated because of Judge Hein's rulings?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

(good summary)

MSN

Pike County massacre: Ohio appeals court hears George Wagner IV’s bid for new trial​

Highlights of allegations:

• Jurors who were more likely to sign a death penalty verdict and were “statistically more likely to enter a conviction” were selected and then the death penalty option was removed.
• “Of the jurors who did serve, two of them had direct personal connections to the victims that Jake Wagner and his father, Billy Wagner, shot to death in their sleep.”
• “For weeks at the start of the trial, the State saturated the minds of the jurors with the images of faces they had seen before in their daily lives, now gruesomely dead, and the reactions of family members who lost loved ones. When the State finally got around to admitting evidence related to George, it was largely meant to connect him to his family members through prior crimes and wrongs under the guise of establishing an ongoing scheme to commit crimes together or to show that he and his family owned a significant arsenal of firearms. Jurors were even given some evidence of firearms the State admitted had nothing to do with the case at hand, which had either been withdrawn from evidence or excluded by the trial court.”
• During closing arguments, “the State accused defense counsel of knowing that George was lying and coaching his testimony.”

Not meaning to offend but I agree with the defense. George should get a new trial with actual evidence and not depending on two pathological liars like Jake and Angie.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes, there is that.

Didn't he demand to the families they had to forgive him?

Yep. Jake is a sorry Evil (expletive)!!!!! Talk about a huge set of cajónes. Hope someone makes a change purse for the R's, M's and G's out of them in prison.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Not meaning to offend but I agree with the defense. George should get a new trial with actual evidence and not depending on two pathological liars like Jake and Angie.

JMO

There was more evidence against George than the co—defendant’s testimony.

George is heavily all over in the LE secret recordings incriminating himself. No way he had no clue about the plan. Sat by and let it happen at least.

It is beyond a reasonable doubt that he was privy to the family murder plans.

Conveniently in bed at midnight he said in Montana. On the stand he says he was in bed at 10:00pm with headphones on so did not hear anything but also says his room faces the front door and he could see people come and go. His story changes.

2 Cents

 

[Caylee Advocate]

With Junk in charge of that decision, probably so. I have my suspicions about him, as usual.

Rob Junk wasn't in charge of deciding who was going to replace him as Judge/ the Ohio Supreme Court has that task. IIRC, Justice Kennedy handled it.

Judge Corbin replaced Judge Deering when he retired.

New judge assigned in Billy Wagner murder trial - NewsBreak

In the murder case of George Washington “Billy” Wagner a new judge has been assigned. The trial cannot be heard by Pike County Common Pleas

www.newsbreak.com

 

[Betty P]

And he reduced EJW's sentence and took away the DP for G"B"W. I doubt the appeals from the P to reinstate the DP charge will work with Judge Hein. So does that mean EJW won't have to testify against his father? Or does he still have to because of his brother's sentence of LWOP? Is this whole "deal" EJW made negated because of Judge Hein's rulings?

Rob Junk wasn't in charge of deciding who was going to replace him as Judge/ the Ohio Supreme Court has that task. IIRC, Justice Kennedy handled it.

Judge Corbin replaced Judge Deering when he retired.

New judge assigned in Billy Wagner murder trial - NewsBreak

In the murder case of George Washington “Billy” Wagner a new judge has been assigned. The trial cannot be heard by Pike County Common Pleas

www.newsbreak.com

Thanks for that correction. I’m following too many cases these days. That said, it’s the Ohio Supreme Court, so ….