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Yes. To me it was beyond a reasonable doubt that he was privy to the murder plans. In ohio, there is a legal concept of "complicity". Complicity is not exactly the same as conspiracy. It means, if you know about a crime ahead of time and provide support or otherwise assist in that crime you can be convicted as if you actually committed the crime. Prior to the murders, George made several purchases on his "Cabella's Credit Card". These were not small, low value purchases. These were large purchases of items needed to pull off this crime. People seem to forget that. So he knew about it ahead of time. He made these purchases. Helped modify the truck. He was complicit in these murders. In closing arguments the Prosecution spoke about this concept of complicity. It was also in the Judge's instruction to the Jury. George was convicted by all members of the jury on all counts against him. He was complicit in these murders.There was more evidence against George than the co—defendant’s testimony.
George is heavily all over in the LE secret recordings incriminating himself. No way he had no clue about the plan. Sat by and let it happen at least.
It is beyond a reasonable doubt that he was privy to the family murder plans.
Conveniently in bed at midnight he said in Montana. On the stand he says he was in bed at 10:00pm with headphones on so did not hear anything but also says his room faces the front door and he could see people come and go. His story changes.
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Whichever side loses the appeal, might appeal to the Supreme Court.So is everything going to be decided June 12th, all the arguments laid out and the time, location AND the DP charges decided/ruled on 30-60 after the hearing?? This is the MOST ridiculous case, as far as getting it to trial, I think I've ever seen. Almost 10 years of baloney just to get to trial!!? Is Hein going to be THE judge presiding at trial?
Yes, absolutely. The same applies to Billy, his purchase of the murder truck and the modification of it.Yes. To me it was beyond a reasonable doubt that he was privy to the murder plans. In ohio, there is a legal concept of "complicity". Complicity is not exactly the same as conspiracy. It means, if you know about a crime ahead of time and provide support or otherwise assist in that crime you can be convicted as if you actually committed the crime. Prior to the murders, George made several purchases on his "Cabella's Credit Card". These were not small, low value purchases. These were large purchases of items needed to pull off this crime. People seem to forget that. So he knew about it ahead of time. He made these purchases. Helped modify the truck. He was complicit in these murders. In closing arguments the Prosecution spoke about this concept of complicity. It was also in the Judge's instruction to the Jury. George was convicted by all members of the jury on all counts against him. He was complicit in these murders.
So is everything going to be decided June 12th, all the arguments laid out and the time, location AND the DP charges decided/ruled on 30-60 after the hearing?? This is the MOST ridiculous case, as far as getting it to trial, I think I've ever seen. Almost 10 years of baloney just to get to trial!!? Is Hein going to be THE judge presiding at trial?
Thanks. Probably nothing to talk about except Billy's hearing aid. I did figure the judge would want to announce his venue change decision in person though, so he could create drama.Looks like tomorrow's hearing has been cancelled,
Docket Information
Date Docket Text
4/25/2025 OHIO VICTIMS' RIGHTS REQUEST FORM FOR B.R. FILED
***NOT A PUBLIC RECORD***
04/25/2025 OHIO VICTIMS' RIGHTS REQUEST FORM FOR J.M. FILED
***NOT A PUBLIC RECORD***
04/25/2025 OHIO VICTIMS' RIGHTS REQUEST FORM FOR B.M. FILED
***NOT A PUBLIC RECORD***
04/25/2025 OHIO VICTIMS' RIGHTS REQUEST FORM FOR D.W. FILED
***NOT A PUBLIC RECORD***
04/28/2025 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Judge: JUNK, ROBERT
Event: PRE-TRIAL
Date: 06/27/2025 Time: 10:00 AM
04/28/2025 COSTS FOR NOTICES MAILED
04/28/2025 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Judge: JUNK, ROBERT
Event: PRE-TRIAL
Date: 07/25/2025 Time: 10:00 AM
04/28/2025 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Judge: JUNK, ROBERT
Event: PRE-TRIAL
Date: 08/22/2025 Time: 10:00 AM
04/28/2025 COSTS FOR NOTICES MAILED
04/28/2025 COSTS FOR NOTICES MAILED
04/29/2025 WARRANT FOR REMOVAL FROM PICKAWAY COUNTY JAIL ON JUNE 27, 2025 AT 10:00AM
04/29/2025 WARRANT FOR REMOVAL FROM PICKAWAY COUNTY JAIL ON JULY 25, 2025 AT 10:00AM
04/29/2025 WARRANT FOR REMOVAL FROM PICKAWAY COUNTY JAIL ON AUGUST 22, 2025 AT 10:00AM
Events
Date/Time Type Judge Result
05/30/2025 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL JUNK, ROBERT CANCELLED
06/27/2025 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL JUNK, ROBERT
07/25/2025 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL JUNK, ROBERT
08/22/2025 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL JUNK, ROBERT
link: https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/e...FMV0H*E-gmOrL1akuTGvBh9Mh5RgEFwmrsgGcgaOC9Qiw
Ohio's court system is really broken. Not all, but most. Many appointees and nominees at the higher levels of the system are barely qualified. Some often have no courtroom experience at all.Canepa filed an appeal with the Supreme Court in regard to Jake's sentencing. She had previously filed with the court of appeals.
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Pike County Massacre: State appeals killer’s sentence to Ohio Supreme Court
This is the latest in a flurry of filings by the state appealing Judge Hein’s decisions or seeking to have him removedwww.fox19.com
I can think of several other things that may end up in the Supreme Court, there may not be a trial for Billy even in 2026 if so. I am pretty sure the Supreme Court is not very speedy. I think it took them more than a year to rule on the autopsy release. I could remember that wrong.Good Summary of recent events.
"Prosecutors in Ohio are pushing for a tougher sentence for Edward “Jake” Wagner"
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"The state’s appeal comes after a judge’s unexpected decision to grant Wagner the possibility of parole, prompting outrage from victims’ families and renewed scrutiny of one of Ohio’s most complex murder cases."
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"The state has now appealed the sentence, arguing it undermines the original plea agreement and fails to deliver justice for the victims. Prosecutors have also sought to remove Hein from the case, accusing him of bias and citing his controversial rulings, including the decision to sentence Wagner before the trial of his father, George “Billy” Wagner III, the last family member facing charges."
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Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa has clashed repeatedly with Hein, accusing him of undermining the case. In December 2024, prosecutors filed requests with the Ohio Supreme Court to disqualify Hein, but both were denied. Canepa argued that Wagner’s reduced sentence and the timing of the hearings could jeopardize the prosecution’s case against Billy Wagner, as Jake and Angela’s plea deals hinged on their testimony in future trials."
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State appeals Jake Wagner sentencing, wants harsher time and judge off case
WAVERLY, Ohio — Prosecutors in Ohio are pushing for a tougher sentence for Edward “Jake” Wagner, who admitted to his role in the 2016 Pike County massacre that claimed the lives of eight members of…sciotovalleyguardian.com
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s discretion by setting aside Wagner’s original plea deal. See link on post #889, page 45, thread #89.
I think the State has a good chance of winning but I surely have been wrong before. If they do win it the defense could appeal to Supreme Court? or could the judge give notice to attorneys that he is going to dismiss, correct his errors, allow their arguments and then dismiss again? Then the State may take it to Supreme Court? I am not very familiar how things work on appeals.The appellate judges said they'd rule on the appeal at a later date.
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Prosecution appeals removal of death penalty ahead of Billy Wagner trial
An appeals court will hear arguments on why the prosecution says the death penalty should not have been taken off the table in Billy Wagner's trial.local12.com
Death Sentence Arguments
An appeals court will hear arguments on why the prosecution says the death penalty should not have been taken off the table in Billy Wagner's upcoming trial. https://tinyurl.com/29amdpj3
It seems like defense and the courts are trying to run out the clock long enough for the public to forget about this tragic case. JMODocket update:
Date Docket Text
06/25/2025 JUDGMENT ENTRY CANCELLING PROCEEDINGS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 27, 2025 FILED
Events
Date Type Event Judge Result
06/27/2025 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL JUNK, ROBERT CANCELLED
07/25/2025 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL JUNK, ROBERT
08/22/2025 10:00 AM PRE-TRIAL JUNK, ROBERT
link: https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/e...-mBC8smpyyrMMyKxwlSh0N*BlpzBaGPNpoEuMW6glfY-Q
Who ARE BW's lawyers anyway and how have they been able to delay for so long? I still can't believe Junk is the judge on BW's trial. Is being the DA/prosecutor that originally investigated and charged the family to prosecuting, along with AC, AW, E"J"W an GWIV...how can Junk now be a judge at BW's trial?It seems like defense and the courts are trying to run out the clock long enough for the public to forget about this tragic case. JMO
A recent article stated legal experts believe that even if Jake and Angela don’t testify in Billy’s trial, the transcripts of their previous testimony would still be admitted. I hope that’s allowed to happen.
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Prosecution appeals removal of death penalty ahead of Billy Wagner trial
An appeals court will hear arguments on why the prosecution says the death penalty should not have been taken off the table in Billy Wagner's trial.cwcolumbus.com
At some point, Pike County is going to run out of money to pay for this trial. JMO