OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #51

[Loomis124]

I'm finishing up some summer projects before the weather turns cold. Keeps me busy!

Some of us also follow other cases here at WS. This week a lot
of WS members are waiting for the jury to return a verdict in the Amber Guyger case, the Dallas police officer who accidentally went into a black man (Botham Jean's) apartment and shot him dead. Oops, wrong apartment.

For anyone following the case of the two teenage boys in Canada who went on a murder spree up there several weeks ago, killing a young couple on vacation Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, as well as a college professor Leonard Dyck, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police just issued a summary of their investigation last Friday.

Another place to visit if you want to pore over clues and do research are Cold Cases and Missing sub forums. Just a few suggestions!

Thanks, Betty! This is the only one I watch, since I work 10 hrs a day. No more time. Lol

 

[Cool Cats]

WAGNER, ANGELA JO

09/30/2019 JOURNAL ENTRY -- Large amount of Journal Entries entered on 9/30 :

Some posters were wondering if GW4 had less evidence against him--less "skin" in the game--due to the prosecution offering to "narrow down" his discovery. No, it applies to Angela too:

• ... due to the large amount of material provided through discovery, counsel for the State of Ohio is willing to direct the attention of the Defendant's attorneys to specific portions of the discovery to be examined.

Some technical difficulties:

The Defendant's attorneys are having technical difficulties in accessing, or "opening," some of the digital material provided by the State of Ohio as discovery. Counsel for the State of Ohio and counsel for the Defendant indicated to the Court that they will continue to work to resolve these technical difficulties.

Here is (probably) the reason Angela's mail privileges were suspended--she and Rita wrote back and forth--Angie wouldn't limit herself to just phone calls:

The State of Ohio filed a "Motion to Suspend Privileges," ..the Court finds that the Defendant has violated the order of this Court by engaging in several telephone conversations with Rita Jo Newcomb and by exchanging written correspondence with Rita Jo Newcomb.

Aside from Rita, Jake, Billy and GW4, Angela can't discus her case with:

The Court grants Defendant's Motion No. 17, and all corrections officers, prosecutors, law enforcement officers, social workers and psychiatric personnel, corrections officers, police and sheriff's department employees, all county jail personnel, and any inmates cooperating with the prosecution of this matter, shall refrain from initiating conversations with the Defendant relating in any way to the pending charges, or to Defendant's character, history and background, without the presence of defense counsel.

Finally! Angie's Motion to wear civilian clothes is granted. One small part was not:

• Defendant's Motion No. 18 requests that the Defendant be permitted to appear without any restraints at all, even those that are not visible outside the Defendant's clothing, the motion is denied.
  Judge Deering said in court that she can keep her clothes at the Courthouse.
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• https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eservices/home.page.2

 

[Betty P]

WAGNER, ANGELA JO

09/30/2019 JOURNAL ENTRY -- Large amount of Journal Entries entered on 9/30 :

Some posters were wondering if GW4 had less evidence against him--less "skin" in the game--due to the prosecution offering to "narrow down" his discovery. No, it applies to Angela too:

• ... due to the large amount of material provided through discovery, counsel for the State of Ohio is willing to direct the attention of the Defendant's attorneys to specific portions of the discovery to be examined.

Some technical difficulties:

The Defendant's attorneys are having technical difficulties in accessing, or "opening," some of the digital material provided by the State of Ohio as discovery. Counsel for the State of Ohio and counsel for the Defendant indicated to the Court that they will continue to work to resolve these technical difficulties.

Here is (probably) the reason Angela's mail privileges were suspended--she and Rita wrote back and forth--Angie wouldn't limit herself to just phone calls:

The State of Ohio filed a "Motion to Suspend Privileges," ..the Court finds that the Defendant has violated the order of this Court by engaging in several telephone conversations with Rita Jo Newcomb and by exchanging written correspondence with Rita Jo Newcomb.

Aside from Rita, Jake, Billy and GW4, Angela can't discus her case with:

The Court grants Defendant's Motion No. 17, and all corrections officers, prosecutors, law enforcement officers, social workers and psychiatric personnel, corrections officers, police and sheriff's department employees, all county jail personnel, and any inmates cooperating with the prosecution of this matter, shall refrain from initiating conversations with the Defendant relating in any way to the pending charges, or to Defendant's character, history and background, without the presence of defense counsel.

Finally! Angie's Motion to wear civilian clothes is granted. One small part was not:

• Defendant's Motion No. 18 requests that the Defendant be permitted to appear without any restraints at all, even those that are not visible outside the Defendant's clothing, the motion is denied.
  
  Judge Deering said in court that she can keep her clothes at the Courthouse.
  

Thank you for posting that! Amazing they finally consented to let her wear civilian clothes, but it's surprising her attorneys were asking that she be allowed to appear without any restraints at all.

WRT the offer of AC to write summaries to focus defense attorneys on portions of the evidence files pertaining to their clients - pretty sure she offered to do that for all the defendants attorneys at the last hearing. It should make things go quicker for them.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you for posting that! Amazing they finally consented to let her wear civilian clothes, but it's surprising her attorneys were asking that she be allowed to appear without any restraints at all.

WRT the offer of AC to write summaries to focus defense attorneys on portions of the evidence files pertaining to their clients - pretty sure she offered to do that for all the defendants attorneys at the last hearing. It should make things go quicker for them.

Your welcome!
Yes I agree that the focus on portions of evidence, probably summaries as you say, is being done for all 4. This is just one more reason why they needed to add another Special Prosecutor, which they recently requested in a Motion.

This Motion is on all 4 Wagner's dockets. Oh, and on Rita's docket also. Obviously, this new prosecutor will be trying all 5 Cases. They really need him to help deal with this gargantuan amount of evidence!..

09/27/2019 MOTION TO APPOINT ATTORNEY ANTHONY D PIERSON AS SPECIAL PROSECUTOR FILED Attorney: JUNK, PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, ROBERT

 

[Betty P]

Your welcome!
Yes I agree that the focus on portions of evidence, probably summaries as you say, is being done for all 4. This is just one more reason why they needed to add another Special Prosecutor, which they recently requested in a Motion.

This Motion is on all 4 Wagner's dockets. Oh, and on Rita's docket also. Obviously, this new prosecutor will be trying all 5 Cases. They really need him to help deal with this gargantuan amount of evidence!..

09/27/2019 MOTION TO APPOINT ATTORNEY ANTHONY D PIERSON AS SPECIAL PROSECUTOR FILED Attorney: JUNK, PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, ROBERT

Well, let's see about him

Anthony D. Pierson - Lawyer in Columbus, Ohio (OH) Franklin County - legaldirectories.com

Anthony D. Pierson - Columbus, OH Attorney | Lawyers.com

He seems somewhat young. I can't imagine they're going to put him in charge of all the cases. JMO, he's going to assist AC, which she'll need once the trials and more complicated hearings begin

Here's a link to the Special Prosecutions web page for the Ohio AG
Angela Canepa is the head of the Special Prosecutions unit
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/About-AG/Service-Divisions/Special-Prosecutions

So, Pierson works for AC. I'm glad there's another person on the team.

 

[Loomis124]

Jake Wagner waives right to speedy trial, reaches agreement on possible "snitch" testimony

 

[Betty P]

Jake Wagner waives right to speedy trial, reaches agreement on possible "snitch" testimony

IIRC, GW4 asked for this same protection: forbidding guards, jail employees and other inmates from talking to the defendant about their crime, testimony, evidence, etc.

 

[Fletcher73]

The reason I posted was to try to figure out how it went down. Especially if Crsr was first and I’m trying to understand if Frankie’s property was within walking distance with the defensive struggle then why was nothing heard. Also check comments made from evidence about who did what who pulled the trigger and who was with suds etccc. Did they split up? Who took the cameras down? We all need a map of all locations to try to figure out the how and when. God bless the Rhodens and HHG

Map of the crime scene locations. Hope this helps.

 

[Antimony]

From Betty P post:
"GW4 asked for this same protection: forbidding guards, jail employees and other inmates from talking to the defendant about their crime, testimony, evidence, etc."

This might also keep any testimony from guards, jail employees and other inmates appearing as evidence or personally as witnesses to anything by the inmate while in jail.

imo

 

[Betty P]

From Betty P post:
"GW4 asked for this same protection: forbidding guards, jail employees and other inmates from talking to the defendant about their crime, testimony, evidence, etc."

This might also keep any testimony from guards, jail employees and other inmates appearing as evidence or personally as witnesses to anything by the inmate while in jail.

imo

Yes. Defense attorneys usually ask for the motion to protect their clients from "snitches".

 

[IType]

As far as other people being involved, then-AG Dewine stated in press conference on 11/13/18 announcing the arrests that there were no other suspects:

"DeWine lamented the ways in which the eight victims were “brutally and viciously” executed. No other suspects are connected to the case, he said..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crim...ecution-style-shootings-eight-family-members/

 

[Betty P]

As far as other people being involved, then-AG Dewine stated in press conference on 11/13/18 announcing the arrests that there were no other suspects:

"DeWine lamented the ways in which the eight victims were “brutally and viciously” executed. No other suspects are connected to the case, he said..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crim...ecution-style-shootings-eight-family-members/

I was wondering if we should have this quote printed on t-shirts. It is often repeated here.

ETA: DeWine knew what he was doing when he said that in his PC. He must have anticipated the rumor mill would push back.

 

[IType]

I was wondering if we should have this quote printed on t-shirts. It is often repeated here.

ETA: DeWine knew what he was doing when he said that in his PC. He must have anticipated the rumor mill would push back.

LOL. Well, I don't have a t-shirt but I did bookmark the link for quick reference!

 

[Loomis124]

This document is what Judge Deering ordered for all the other 3 Wagners, so they just used the same language as Jake's on April 4. Explained well. Any information volunteered to others by the defendants can be used in court. JMO

Twitter

 

[Cool Cats]

This is a Motion recently granted, just now showing up on Rita's and the Wagner 4's Court Dockets:

09/30/2019 ENTRY APPOINTING ATTORNEY ANTHONY D PIERSON AS SPECIAL PROSECUTOR WITH ALL POWERS GRANTED TO THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY OR ANY OF HIS REGULARLY APPOINTED ASSISTANTS

I expected this Motion to be granted but still it's nice to see it official..
I think this will help these trials gain at least some momentum. I see it as good news.

Also, there have been several posts on here about how much Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa really could use more help. Now, not only is she gaining a Special Prosecutor but according to the Docket Entry, the new Special Prosecutor will be bringing in his own assistants.

So in essence, Canepa gains not only a colleague, but also the colleague's own staff.

A win-win for the prosecution...

 

[Betty P]

This is a Motion recently granted, just now showing up on Rita's and the Wagner 4's Court Dockets:

09/30/2019 ENTRY APPOINTING ATTORNEY ANTHONY D PIERSON AS SPECIAL PROSECUTOR WITH ALL POWERS GRANTED TO THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY OR ANY OF HIS REGULARLY APPOINTED ASSISTANTS

I expected this Motion to be granted but still it's nice to see it official..
I think this will help these trials gain at least some momentum. I see it as good news.

Also, there have been several posts on here about how much Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa really could use more help. Now, not only is she gaining a Special Prosecutor but according to the Docket Entry, the new Special Prosecutor will be bringing in his own assistants.

So in essence, Canepa gains not only a colleague, but also the colleague's own staff.

A win-win for the prosecution...

Yes, its a great idea. Someone from her own group. Makes it more convenient for the whole team, especially as they move into the tricker motions and RNs trial. Winning these first trials is very important.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, its a great idea. Someone from her own group. Makes it more convenient for the whole team, especially as they move into the tricker motions and RNs trial. Winning these first trials is very important.

I agree, winning especially the first trial is crucial. I think the reason Jake's attorneys put his speedy trial deadline all the way to a whopping January 2021, is because his attorneys feel his best chance at acquittal comes if his other family members go to trial before him.

Then his attorneys can gain tremendous insight into what worked and what did not work at his family member's trials. Jake is out for Jake. I think the "all for one and one for all" is gone at this point.

You know on a sinking ship?

It's "every man for himself."

..... 2 Cents......

 

[Betty P]

I agree, winning especially the first trial is crucial. I think the reason Jake's attorneys put his speedy trial deadline all the way to a whopping January 2021, is because his attorneys feel his best chance at acquittal comes if his other family members go to trial before him.

Then his attorneys can gain tremendous insight into what worked and what did not work at his family member's trials. Jake is out for Jake. I think the "all for one and one for all" is gone at this point.

You know on a sinking ship?

It's "every man for himself."

..... 2 Cents......

Perhaps more family members will be willing to work a deal, too. If AC has her own special prosecutor on the team, she has someone she can trust to work with the defendants. IYKWIM

 

[Cool Cats]

Perhaps more family members will be willing to work a deal, too. If AC has her own special prosecutor on the team, she has someone she can trust to work with the defendants. IYKWIM

What is the weak link? It is Jake and GW4's children?....I believe that those 2 guys would throw mommy and daddy under the bus if they could have normal custody and control of their own children.

Only my opinion but take a look at their behavior. Jake is waiting for his family to be tried first...(to his ultimate benefit).....IN MY OPINION ONLY.....

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Why would George 4th jeopardizes being with his son, it don’t make good sense, was this family used to doing and getting what ever they wanted