OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Johnny B Bad]

A spokesperson for the Ohio Attorney General’s Office confirmed the new search warrant was being executed at the Flying W Farm. Agents were expected to search the property through the week. Agents began searching the property on Monday but since the warrant is sealed, the AG’s office would not comment on the details of the search.


Divers from BCI were on the property searching several bodies of water. Agents carrying a metal detector and a rope walked onto the property and appeared to search an area near a tree Thursday morning. They left a short time later.


Agents also searched a second property on Bethel Hill Road across the street from Wagner’s farm. Billy and Angela Wagner once lived at the Bethel Hill Road address. Prior to their arrests last November, Billy lived with his mother at the Flying W Farm. The farm encompasses more than 1,000 acres along Camp Creek Road. It is home to the family’s horse-breeding farm.

Agents searched both the Flying W Farm and the Bethel Hill Road property in May 2017. It’s unclear why agents returned to the properties more than two years later to execute new warrants.

Billy and Angela and their two sons, George and Jake, are accused of murdering seven members of the Rhoden family and Hannah Gilley as they slept in April 2016. All of the victims were shot in the head. The victims are Christopher Rhoden, Sr., his cousin, Gary Rhoden and Christopher’s ex-wife, Dana. Christopher and Dana’s children, Frankie, Christopher Jr. and Hanna were also shot to death along with Frankie’s fiancée, Hannah Gilley. Kenneth Rhoden was found shot once in his camper several miles away. The investigation has been called one of the largest in state history

Divers return to property owned by Wagner matriarch in Rhoden murder probe

This article is when the Dive Teams was at Fredericka property and it clearly says that Billy Wagner did not live with Angela Wagner, so just how long has those two been separated? JMO

Also I wonder which Wagner told the BCI where evidence was hidden at, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Funny that he never said right out "I am her father" under oath. He said he "considered himself as her father since he raised her from birth". Then she brought a photo album instead of a DNA test to court as proof and that infamous "hammertoe". Makes me wonder why.

JMO

In Ohio law you don't need a DNA test, just the sworn affidavit he and Angie signed was enough. The way Jake did it is common in Ohio. Nothing strange.

 

[Cool Cats]

Funny that he never said right out "I am her father" under oath. He said he "considered himself as her father since he raised her from birth". Then she brought a photo album instead of a DNA test to court as proof and that infamous "hammertoe". Makes me wonder why.

JMO

In Ohio law you don't need a DNA test, just the sworn affidavit he and Angie signed was enough. The way Jake did it is common in Ohio. Nothing strange. The way he worded things he did as his lawyer Daily told him to do, Daily probably wrote the affidavit. ( Jake wouldn't know what to write in an affidavit for paternity and custody, I wouldn't). This is court, things are worded this way.
Again: in the court document Jake was referring to himself how he is legally
preceived, not how he is biologically, and his attorney Daily would be writing this for him. It's what lawyers do.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

PIKE COUNTY, OH (FOX19) - The youngest Wagner son appeared in court for a pretrial hearing Thursday morning.

Edward “Jake” Wagner, 26, is one of four members of his family charged with murder in the brutal, execution-style slayings of members of the Rhoden family in April 2016.

READ MORE: Pike County Massacre

Wagner is a key part of the case, according to prosecutors. He fathered a daughter, Sophia, with Hanna Rhoden, 19, one of the victims fatally shot in her home in Pike County

This article clearly states that Prosecution Attorney told the news reporter that Jake Wagner Fathered SW, IMO

Wagner son who fathered daughter with slain-Rhoden teen in court for Pike Co. murders

 

[RAISINISBACK]

In this link you provided, on line 10., JW says he is "a de facto guardian", it does not say I am her father. Why? On line 10.a., he says "I am sure that Sophia is my child". He offers no proof like his name on her birth certificate or DNA proof, or offers to do a DNA test from what I can see. Just my observations...
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/custodyjpg-jpg.215503/

That's what gets me. "I am sure I am her father." Too much doubt in that sentence.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I had never really entertained this idea until all of you here brought it up. It would be incredibly shocking (as if this case wasn't shocking enough) if JW did all this for custody of a child that wasn't even his. What's the expression? "That boy ain't right in the head".

ETA: I do recall a case several years back of a guy who kidnapped a friend's young daughters after killing the parents. He was close friends with the family. LE managed to find them quickly to rescue the girls. It was bizarre.

I believe the expression is he is "a few bricks shy of a full load" or for you mechanics out there "he ain't hitting on all 8 cylinders."

 

[Cool Cats]

PIKE COUNTY, OH (FOX19) - The youngest Wagner son appeared in court for a pretrial hearing Thursday morning.

Edward “Jake” Wagner, 26, is one of four members of his family charged with murder in the brutal, execution-style slayings of members of the Rhoden family in April 2016.

READ MORE: Pike County Massacre

Wagner is a key part of the case, according to prosecutors. He fathered a daughter, Sophia, with Hanna Rhoden, 19, one of the victims fatally shot in her home in Pike County

This article clearly states that Prosecution Attorney told the news reporter that Jake Wagner Fathered SW, IMO

Wagner son who fathered daughter with slain-Rhoden teen in court for Pike Co. murders

"He fathered a daughter, Sophia"

Thankx for making my point Johnny. We have a ton of MSM articles stating Jake - not some mysterious guy out there - fathered Sophia. Period.

Because there are ZERO MSM articles out there doubting that S is biologically a Wagner, to say Jake is not her father is rumor only and meets the definition of rumor:

rumor
[ˈro͞omər]

VERB
(be rumored)

1. be circulated as an unverified account.
2. Show me one, just one MSM article doubting S's paternity.
3. For a year now posters have been asking me for MSM links to prove what I post, now show me some links. It's My Turn To Ask.

 

[Deleted member 237253]

Has anyone entertained the idea that maybe this all happened because Jake finds out SW wasn't his? Like for instance say during the arguments over custody or the alleged fight. Hanna tells Jakes - S isnt even your daughter. And sends Jake into a rage. Just a thought.

 

[Betty P]

Has anyone entertained the idea that maybe this all happened because Jake finds out SW wasn't his? Like for instance say during the arguments over custody or the alleged fight. Hanna tells Jakes - S isnt even your daughter. And sends Jake into a rage. Just a thought.

Possible, but remember, he and his family began planning months before they carried out the murders. No doubt he felt jealous at being jilted, upset that he'd lost control of HMR and his daughter. A lot of resentment built up against all the Rhoden family until they decided that God wanted them to kill the Rhodens and purge the community. Wounded pride, extreme jealousy and delusional beliefs mixing religion and justice.

JMO, I think they believed law enforcement would appreciate them killing all the Rhoden family members.

Good grief these movies are ridiculous. The acting and script are horrible.

 

[Cool Cats]

What Jake's Family Attorney Bruce Daily helped write up and notarized for Jake to prove paternity,

A Paternity Affidavit.

Paternity affidavit is a document that provides parents with a way of formally acknowledging paternity of a child.

If the parents are not married paternity needs to be formally recognized in order to secure the father’s rights. This can be done by filing a paternity case or by recording a paternity affidavit with the appropriate government office.

Paternity affidavits vary from one jurisdiction to another. Usually it requires information about the mother, the father, and the child.
It must be signed and notarized and by signing the document the party agrees that the statements they have made are true.

About Bruce
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https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/45690-oh-bruce-dailey-44346.html#contact

Paternity Affidavit Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

 

[Betty P]

What Jake's Family Attorney Bruce Daily helped write up and notarized for Jake to prove paternity,

A Paternity Affidavit.

Paternity affidavit is a document that provides parents with a way of formally acknowledging paternity of a child.

If the parents are not married paternity needs to be formally recognized in order to secure the father’s rights. This can be done by filing a paternity case or by recording a paternity affidavit with the appropriate government office.

Paternity affidavits vary from one jurisdiction to another. Usually it requires information about the mother, the father, and the child.
It must be signed and notarized and by signing the document the party agrees that the statements they have made are true.

About Bruce
Bruce Dailey has been licensed for 23 years and handles cases in Probate, Elder Law, Family. This attorney attended South Texas College of Law Houston and has an office in Waverly, OH.
PRACTICE AREAS

1. 
   
   
   • Family: 25%
   • Probate: 25%
   • Elder law: 25%
   • Unknown: 25%

https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/45690-oh-bruce-dailey-44346.html#contact

Paternity Affidavit Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

Well, sure. We'll find out all the details when the trials for the W's begin or when one of them signs a plea agreement with the state. It's possible we'll find out more before then, if addition discovery brings new docs to light, but otherwise we just have to be patient.

 

[Cool Cats]

Well, sure. We'll find out all the details when the trials for the W's begin or when one of them signs a plea agreement with the state. It's possible we'll find out more before then, if addition discovery brings new docs to light, but otherwise we just have to be patient.

I don't need the trials to begin to know about S's paternity, the trials will just reinforce it so it's not a rumor that Jake is not the father. And it is a rumor on this thread with no MSM articles to back it up whatsoever. Only my opinion it's rumor, it's up to @sillybilly not me. I can always be wrong and have no problem admitting it if I am.

 

[Fat Old Man]

"He fathered a daughter, Sophia"

Thankx for making my point Johnny. We have a ton of MSM articles stating Jake - not some mysterious guy out there - fathered Sophia. Period.

Because there are ZERO MSM articles out there doubting that S is biologically a Wagner, to say Jake is not her father is rumor only and meets the definition of rumor:

JMO

What if a DNA test, proved Jake, was not a Wagner?

I believe at some point we will find out. That the hate for DR, my understanding of how she was killed. That AW, was scorn by DR. Someone, had slept with someone besides their spouse.
Maybe DR and CRsr, was getting back together, and AW thought she was going to be with CRsr?
Big Billy seems to have been led around by first his mother then AW. Maybe he had been compared to CRsr 1 to many times. That he was loser, and if it wasn't for his mommy money and his SSI. She would dump him?
I think the reason that a DNA test for SW and JW was never taken. That it might have shown, Jake, had a lot less Wagner and more of someone besides BW.
I am sure these Family tree branches, got tangled somewhere. And AW, wanted it to kept quiet that. Jake the snake had a different daddy.

All this is My opinion.

Not meant to slam anyone, just know that this is a crazy case.

 

[Cool Cats]

JMO

What if a DNA test, proved Jake, was not a Wagner?

I believe at some point we will find out. That the hate for DR, my understanding of how she was killed. That AW, was scorn by DR. Someone, had slept with someone besides their spouse.
Maybe DR and CRsr, was getting back together, and AW thought she was going to be with CRsr?
Big Billy seems to have been led around by first his mother then AW. Maybe he had been compared to CRsr 1 to many times. That he was loser, and if it wasn't for his mommy money and his SSI. She would dump him?
I think the reason that a DNA test for SW and JW was never taken. That it might have shown, Jake, had a lot less Wagner and more of someone besides BW.
I am sure these Family tree branches, got tangled somewhere. And AW, wanted it to kept quiet that. Jake the snake had a different daddy.

All this is My opinion.

Not meant to slam anyone, just know that this is a crazy case.

Yes I have even seen it linked on here to a man a poster claimed was Jake's dad, not Billy. A tall skinny man built like Jake but it goes in the rumor category for me and not relevant to this case.

As to your specific question:
"What if a DNA test proved Jake was not a Wagner?"

That would be great if the bio dad turned out to be a loving father for S. I would be incredibly happy for S. I wish it were true actually and CPS has already explored this important option with a DNA test I am sure - it's their legal responsibility to do so. Then it would make the news if S had a different dad.

Still wouldn't change anything. The prosecution couldn't be more clear: Jake and his family wanted Jake to have custody. Biology at this point is moot. If Jake was proved not to be the father it would not help him at all.

Jake and Billy are father and son, even sharing a hammertoe as far as they are concerned. Jake and S are father and daughter (sharing a hammertoe) as far as they are concerned. S probably has some video contact with Jake,who is her daddy maybe. .....2 Cents....

 

[Cool Cats]

New subject:

I think there could be one thing that keeps the Wagner murder cases from being more than circumstantial:

The maglite silencer part(s) found in the Peterson Road Well.

Circumstantial Evidence = Forensics ballistics show - by the wear and shape - that the bullets in the murders match the Peterson Road Well silencer. This is still circumstantial evidence because the "real killer" could have thrown it in the Well, thus framing the Wagners.

Direct Evidence = Aside from being a forensic ballistic match, a Wagner fingerprint is found on the silencer which directly links a Wagner to the murder weapon.

Criminal Evidence: Circumstantial vs. Direct - Guides -

Exhaustive investigation leads to break in Pike County murder case

"They had left behind pieces of the equipment they used to build silencers (the Discovery lists maglite found in the Peterson Road Well). And, after 2½ years of investigation, the final break came Oct. 30: Authorities recovered a silencer. Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said that final piece of evidence was taken to the lab to be processed. Those results came back Nov. 7, 2018.

Less than a week later, a specially called grand jury that had been meeting regularly since the summer indicted the Wagners for all eight murders. "

 

[OhioBlues]

Ohio Attorney General Press Release when W4 were arrested

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...er-2018/Pike-County-Homicides-Family-Arrested

Includes this:
Jake Wagner is also charged with unlawful sexual conduct with a minor for having sexual contact with Hanna May Rhoden when she was 15 years old and he was 20 years old. Jake Wagner is the father of Hanna May Rhoden's older daughter, who was staying with the Wagners on the night the homicides took place. All four suspects are accused of forging custody documents.



How could JW be charged with Count 23 specifically having sex with HR between January 18, 2013 and March 18, 2013 if he isn't SW's father?

 

[Cool Cats]

Ohio Attorney General Press Release when W4 were arrested

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...er-2018/Pike-County-Homicides-Family-Arrested

Includes this:
Jake Wagner is also charged with unlawful sexual conduct with a minor for having sexual contact with Hanna May Rhoden when she was 15 years old and he was 20 years old. Jake Wagner is the father of Hanna May Rhoden's older daughter, who was staying with the Wagners on the night the homicides took place. All four suspects are accused of forging custody documents.



How could JW be charged with Count 23 specifically having sex with HR between January 18, 2013 and March 18, 2013 if he isn't SW's father?

Great research Ohio! This information should put this subject to rest.
Thank you for getting this point across in such a spectacular fashion...

 

[RAISINISBACK]

"He fathered a daughter, Sophia"

Thankx for making my point Johnny. We have a ton of MSM articles stating Jake - not some mysterious guy out there - fathered Sophia. Period.

Because there are ZERO MSM articles out there doubting that S is biologically a Wagner, to say Jake is not her father is rumor only and meets the definition of rumor:

rumor
[ˈro͞omər]

VERB
(be rumored)

1. be circulated as an unverified account.
2. Show me one, just one MSM article doubting S's paternity.
3. For a year now posters have been asking me for MSM links to prove what I post, now show me some links. It's My Turn To Ask.

I am pretty educated, double degree in accounting and business administration so I don't need a definition of what a word means. If I do I can consult a dictionary on my own.

I think I clarified that what I think is not based on any rumors I have heard but only on my own conclusions to why Jake said what he did and acted as he did. It might be due to that extended education of mine that I learned long ago to think for myself and not rely on what others say.

But let me clarify that I have not heard any rumors on this subject as I am not on any social media such as FB, Twitter ect. In fact this site is the only site I am on that discusses this crime. Even on here I do not follow any crimes other than once following the kids found out in CA but that was only for a couple of days. In fact I am not on any internet site other than WS that discusses any subject as I have a very busy life and my time on the internet for pleasure is very limited.

What I think is not fact so therefore the only link is in my brain. I could be right or I could be wrong. That is why I add JMO (Just my opinion) at the end.
(o·pin·ion
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.)

I am merely speculating based on what facts we have e.g. the custody affidavit that Jake presented to the court to gain custody and the fact that the W's are presumed to have killed 8 people over custody of a small child. I assume we can all read and interpret what we read and can all come to our own conclusions about what we read that may not coincide with conclusions drawn by others on here. That is the beauty of WS. We can all air different opinions and conclusions we have drawn about the evidence we have read.

In the future please remember scolding is for children.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I am pretty educated, double degree in accounting and business administration so I don't need a definition of what a word means. If I do I can consult a dictionary on my own.

I think I clarified that what I think is not based on any rumors I have heard but only on my own conclusions to why Jake said what he did and acted as he did. It might be due to that extended education of mine that I learned long ago to think for myself and not rely on what others say.

But let me clarify that I have not heard any rumors on this subject as I am not on any social media such as FB, Twitter ect. In fact this site is the only site I am on that discusses this crime. Even on here I do not follow any crimes other than once following the kids found out in CA but that was only for a couple of days. In fact I am not on any internet site other than WS that discusses any subject as I have a very busy life and my time on the internet for pleasure is very limited.

What I think is not fact so therefore the only link is in my brain. I could be right or I could be wrong. That is why I add JMO (Just my opinion) at the end.
(o·pin·ion
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.)

I am merely speculating based on what facts we have e.g. the custody affidavit that Jake presented to the court to gain custody and the fact that the W's are presumed to have killed 8 people over custody of a small child. I assume we can all read and interpret what we read and can all come to our own conclusions about what we read that may not coincide with conclusions drawn by others on here. That is the beauty of WS. We can all air different opinions and conclusions we have drawn about the evidence we have read.

In the future please remember scolding is for children.

JMO

Point taken, I might have been a bit rash calling it rumor but in my opinion it seems like it's become a rumor on here as it keeps coming up with no MSM backing and with MSM actually debunking it in many articles.

I have been asked 50 times to post MSM links and just wanted one link of fact. What Ohio posted is fact, not just opinion.

So I agree we all have opinions and not every opinion is a rumor. In my previous post I said clearly:

"Only my opinion it's rumor, it's up to @sillybilly not me. I can always be wrong and have no problem admitting it if I am."

I do apologize if I offended anyone on here by saying I think it's rumor when it very well might not be. I don't want to be a horse's rear about it.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes I have even seen it linked on here to a man a poster claimed was Jake's dad, not Billy. A tall skinny man built like Jake but it goes in the rumor category for me and not relevant to this case.

As to your specific question:
"What if a DNA test proved Jake was not a Wagner?"

That would be great if the bio dad turned out to be a loving father for S. I would be incredibly happy for S. I wish it were true actually and CPS has already explored this important option with a DNA test I am sure - it's their legal responsibility to do so. Then it would make the news if S had a different dad.

Still wouldn't change anything. The prosecution couldn't be more clear: Jake and his family wanted Jake to have custody. Biology at this point is moot. If Jake was proved not to be the father it would not help him at all.

Jake and Billy are father and son, even sharing a hammertoe as far as they are concerned. Jake and S are father and daughter (sharing a hammertoe) as far as they are concerned. S probably has some video contact with Jake,who is her daddy maybe. .....2 Cents....

Do we have any photos of Billy, Jake and S's "hammertoe"? If not then we have only the word of a couple of liars to back up that any of them has a hammertoe or any toes whatsoever for that matter. So that "sharing a hammertoe" is conjecture based on no known facts.

JMO