OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Sillybilly]

Point taken, I might have been a bit rash calling it rumor but in my opinion it seems like it's become a rumor on here as it keeps coming up with no MSM backing and with MSM actually debunking it in many articles.

I have been asked 50 times to post MSM links and just wanted one link of fact. What Ohio posted is fact, not just opinion.

So I agree we all have opinions and not every opinion is a rumor. In my previous post I said clearly:

"Only my opinion it's rumor, it's up to @sillybilly not me. I can always be wrong and have no problem admitting it if I am."

I do apologize if I offended anyone on here by saying I think it's rumor when it very well might not be. I don't want to be a horse's rear about it.

Jake's wording in 10(a) of that affidavit does seem a bit ambiguous and does raise the eyebrows a smidge about parentage; however, as the Prosecuting Attorney (who presumably has more knowledge of the actual facts of the case) has definitively stated that JW is SW's father, I think we should forego any speculation to the contrary. Doesn't mean members can't hold the thought in the back of their minds as the case progresses, but let's not discuss SW's parentage further unless there is something else that strongly indicates it is in question.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jake's wording in 10(a) of that affidavit does seem a bit ambiguous and does raise the eyebrows a smidge about parentage; however, as the Prosecuting Attorney (who presumably has more knowledge of the actual facts of the case) has definitively stated that JW is SW's father, I think we should forego any speculation to the contrary. Doesn't mean members can't hold the thought in the back of their minds as the case progresses, but let's not discuss SW's parentage further unless there is something else that strongly indicates it is in question.

Thank you and point taken.

I do appreciate the work you do on here and thank you.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Point taken, I might have been a bit rash calling it rumor but in my opinion it seems like it's become a rumor on here as it keeps coming up with no MSM backing and with MSM actually debunking it in many articles.

I have been asked 50 times to post MSM links and just wanted one link of fact. What Ohio posted is fact, not just opinion.

So I agree we all have opinions and not every opinion is a rumor. In my previous post I said clearly:

"Only my opinion it's rumor, it's up to @sillybilly not me. I can always be wrong and have no problem admitting it if I am."

I do apologize if I offended anyone on here by saying I think it's rumor when it very well might not be. I don't want to be a horse's rear about it.

You have not offended me.

 

[Dudly]

I have a question. Isn't little S's last name Wagner on her birth certificate? Can that be done without listing Jake as the father?

Does anyone know what it is on her birth certificate?

 

[Fletcher73]

Ohio Attorney General Press Release when W4 were arrested
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...er-2018/Pike-County-Homicides-Family-Arrested

How could JW be charged with Count 23 specifically having sex with HR between January 18, 2013 and March 18, 2013 if he isn't SW's father?

The prosecution can accuse someone of a statutory crime for sexual action without accusing that person of impregnating the underage person. Sex doesn't necessarily result in pregnancy.

IMO the State of Ohio is (1) establishing that the state believes JW fathered the child and (2) that JW may have had other motives for the other 22 counts.

Looks wide open to me, that is, Count 23 may be used in a lot of ways to impugn JW's credibility.

That said, JW did try to claim Baby KR as his - which is bizarre, even though her mother made it pretty clear, before the murders, that she wasn't Jake's. I'm saying, it's within the realm of possibilities that JW is not the bio-dad of SW, but he was her caregiver, at least 50 percent of the time, with her mother's permission apparently. jmo/moo

I think it's an important point, and hope it's cleared up in the trials or plea deals.

 

[Loomis124]

@RAISINISBACK or @Merrygirl, is it possible for you to share a copy of, or link to, JW's full affidavit, please? IIRC, you said you have it, MG? Thanks so much!

 

[Loomis124]

Guess we may as well enjoy the gag order. Gag Gag

 

[Cool Cats]

Guess we may as well enjoy the gag order. Gag Gag

We have the full last page of his affidavit:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/custodyjpg-jpg.215503/

AND we have this:
Court docs: Suspect filed for custody of child at heart of Pike County investigation days after slayings

In an affidavit signed by Jake Wagner,
he said he and Hanna Rhoden had "approximately equal time with Sophia since her birth."

"Although Hanna and I were never married, one child was born during our co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship, namely: Sophia May Wagner, born 11/18/2013 in Portsmouth, Scioto County, Ohio," the affidavit states.

Jake Wagner wrote, "During our 2013 to 2015 co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship, Hanna and I lived in either the home of my Mother or her Mother. At that time, Hanna continued to attend school and did not work and I worked on my family's farm as well as drove an eighteen-wheeler, which I share with my Brother. In late March 2015, Hanna decided that I worked too much and that I did not have enough time for her. Therefore, Hanna ended our co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship. Hanna and I continued a non-exclusive romantic relationship while we shared the parenting of Sophia."

Jake Wagner said that Hanna told him in August, 2015 that she was pregnant with her second child. "I was happy even though Hanna explained to me that she could not be sure that the baby was mine," Jake Wagner said.

According to the affidavit, "In late September 2015, Hanna decided that she and I would not continue any romantic relationship while we continued to share the parenting of Sophia."
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I know we all have already read all of this

so I e-mailed the reporter who wrote the article - Karin Johnson WLWT - and asked her if she could post or link the FULL affidavit showing ALL of the pages.
I also asked her if it could be posted on scribd.

If she couldn't do that I asked her how I could get a copy.
I also e-mailed 2 other reporters. Hope this will help. We will see.


Karin Johnson WLWT
Proud New Yorker and University of Miami graduate, now happily living in Cincinnati. Emmy award winning Reporter for WLWT-News 5.
@karinjohnson

 

[Betty P]

Jake's wording in 10(a) of that affidavit does seem a bit ambiguous and does raise the eyebrows a smidge about parentage; however, as the Prosecuting Attorney (who presumably has more knowledge of the actual facts of the case) has definitively stated that JW is SW's father, I think we should forego any speculation to the contrary. Doesn't mean members can't hold the thought in the back of their minds as the case progresses, but let's not discuss SW's parentage further unless there is something else that strongly indicates it is in question.

Thank you, sillybilly. SW (and her sister) will grow up and possibly read some of these discussions some day. Out of respect for the children, its probably best not to speculate a lot about this topic. If there's a question, it will come up at trial.

 

[Merrygirl]

Thankx for the info I always assumed the dad gets the child period - no matter what - unless incompotent. (If mom can't)
These child custody laws in Ohio are paramount to this case and worth discussion.
(If in fact these horrible evil murders are based on custody)

‘I believe the main problems in this case are:
1) greed for the child that the W4 perceives as a possession that unconditionally belongs to them
2) lack of adequate knowledge of Ohio laws regarding paternity and how to legally establish paternity
3) lack of $$$ to achieve the proper legal avenues to obtain #1 & #2
4) fear of past secrets being exposed that could hinder paternity

Greed is a highly motivating factor for almost all crimes. If the “green monster” rears it’s angry head then all common sense is tossed out the window. I believe the W4 may have wanted to get out from control of FW and AK represented the freedom they sought. But the main factor standing in the way of freedom was they were not willing to let go of S. I think JW & AW may have believed that HR may give JW custody cuz the burden of another new baby to support and a new love interest. The W4 thought HR would give S up willingly but they were wrong. I believed they initially tried to obtain paternity through low cost methods but kept running into legal obstacles and this kept escalating their anger. It’s possible HR may have started making changes of her own to their “custody agreement” and JW was not able to see S as often as he wanted. BW probably thought he could threaten CR to influence HR by threatening to expose CR for something OR he may have tried to extort $$$ he felt was due to him and in exchange for $$$ BW would accept JW’s custody of S. This may have led to the alleged fight between the two approximately 3 wks earlier. Greed + each roadblock=escalated anger. All this is my opinions and theories only.

 

[Cool Cats]

‘I believe the main problems in this case are:
1) greed for the child that the W4 perceives as a possession that unconditionally belongs to them
2) lack of adequate knowledge of Ohio laws regarding paternity and how to legally establish paternity
3) lack of $$$ to achieve the proper legal avenues to obtain #1 & #2
4) fear of past secrets being exposed that could hinder paternity

Greed is a highly motivating factor for almost all crimes. If the “green monster” rears it’s angry head then all common sense is tossed out the window. I believe the W4 may have wanted to get out from control of FW and AK represented the freedom they sought. But the main factor standing in the way of freedom was they were not willing to let go of S. I think JW & AW may have believed that HR may give JW custody cuz the burden of another new baby to support and a new love interest. The W4 thought HR would give S up willingly but they were wrong. I believed they initially tried to obtain paternity through low cost methods but kept running into legal obstacles and this kept escalating their anger. It’s possible HR may have started making changes of her own to their “custody agreement” and JW was not able to see S as often as he wanted. BW probably thought he could threaten CR to influence HR by threatening to expose CR for something OR he may have tried to extort $$$ he felt was due to him and in exchange for $$$ BW would accept JW’s custody of S. This may have led to the alleged fight between the two approximately 3 wks earlier. Greed + each roadblock=escalated anger. All this is my opinions and theories only.

Thanks for your opinion on it, very insightful
Not much to add to this!

There has to be a reason for the rage involved with this. To "take the family out" all they had to do was shoot everyone 2 times in the head, that is it. I believe they knew this based on Kenny with only one shot.

There was gross "overkill" with I think 2 people shooting some of then at the same time. Like, I think 2 of them were shooting at Chris Sr. and while one of them shot Dana under the chin, the other one shot her 4 times on the side of her head. Sorry for being so graphic.

I think rage could be caused by GW3 threatening to expose the grow ops but Chris Sr. countering that with the new house and with the accusation that Jake had sex with Hanna when she was under age. If the Rhodens "held it over Jake's head" that he could be criminally charged if he fought Hanna for custody, that would enrage them to no end.

Yes Jake declared he was the father but the difference is that the Rhodens never pressed charges against him. Had the Rhodens wanted to, they could have pressed those underage charges.

It's the only thing I can think of for all the rage that is shown and why so many were killed. Just opinion only.

 

[Merrygirl]

Don't feel badly. So did I. The wide open truth has been there all the time. Wow.

After studying this vigorously for the past 3 hours, I am led to believe JW was indeed trying to take SW away from HR. But also, I think HR had maybe filed a CPO against JW. Too much to research in short time, but I will get to the bottom of it. All help will be appreciated. @Merrygirl, IIRC, you said you have the full affidavit. It would really help if you could share. Thank you.

‘I do have the entire document but it is watermarked and there are redacted names, birthdates so I cannot share on WS. I could share personally if you want. I have been trying to find another copy so hang on.

 

[Merrygirl]

Did the State of Ohio give Pike County any additional funding to pay for these trials?

I know they gave 100k in Feb 2019 but I haven't heard anything since that photo op.

Pike County trial costs will 'top 7 figures' per Ohio AG Yost.

State leaders give Pike County $100K ‘down payment’ toward massacre prosecutions

I’m not absolutely positive but I believe there have been 2 appropriated amounts so far of $100k each and both were given in Dec, 1 yr apart. To me that doesn’t sound like a helluva lot but perhaps some will be settled up & paid AFTER the trials. JMOO.

 

[Loomis124]

‘I do have the entire document but it is watermarked and there are redacted names, birthdates so I cannot share on WS. I could share personally if you want. I have been trying to find another copy so hang on.

I understand.

 

[Loomis124]

LOL..I find it amazing...how hard information is to come by on here.

 

[Loomis124]

I understand.

Or perhaps I can just get it myself...

 

[sunshineray]

Hey sunshineray, I have looked all over the Net and can’t find a single place where Jake paid any kind of child support to Hanna May, has anyone else saw anything of support Jake has paid

Hi Johnny B, I don't think it would be anywhere except maybe on HR's social media. Like if she was ever complaining that he never helped with support type thing? I don't have FB to look, if her account is still even up? I don't recall ever seeing that talked about except when JW interviewed with CG and started that Go Fund Me thing to pay his lawyer's fees to get his daughter after the murders. I always thought that was odd, why her birth father would have to pay so much. That's what really makes me think JW was not on SW's birth certificate. AJMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I hope that the LE put charges against the Wagners this month on what if anything was found on the searches that was preformed on Wagners property and let the public read them, JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I have been fellow the murders of the Rhodens/Gilley family form the day the news started reporting on it, I’m ready to get the trials moving and to let justice come forth for the remaining family, it’s time for the Wagners to have their day in court, but for me, I think the Wagners family is guilty, because what evidence that I have read so far is overwhelming against the Wagners but all you sleuthers know that the defense team is going to use the Mongold event and the road rage trial for their way to free the Wagners, the cartel is going to be a bad one that will get the jury’s attention, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I have been fellow the murders of the Rhodens/Gilley family form the day the news started reporting on it, I’m ready to get the trials moving and to let justice come forth for the remaining family, it’s time for the Wagners to have their day in court, but for me, I think the Wagners family is guilty, because what evidence that I have read so far is overwhelming against the Wagners but all you sleuthers know that the defense team is going to use the Mongold event and the road rage trial for their way to free the Wagners, the cartel is going to be a bad one that will get the jury’s attention, JMO

So Rusty killed all 8 with some friends? Nah, jury wouldn't buy it. Plus he probably has an alibi. Road rage lady did it with some help? Jury wouldn't buy it. Wasn't even time for her to plan anything, they had just been to court.

Whoever did it has no alibi, knows the layout of the homes, knows the dogs and used that information. In the indictments it says they shared the layouts of the homes, I believe the digital trail will help convict them.

Angie told Rita that her attorney has theories for what happened and I bet your right that it will be blamed on drug gangs or cartels. They will lose if they blame it on RM, RRL and jealousy over derbies, too far fetched. All just opinion.