OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Cool Cats]

I’m not absolutely positive but I believe there have been 2 appropriated amounts so far of $100k each and both were given in Dec, 1 yr apart. To me that doesn’t sound like a helluva lot but perhaps some will be settled up & paid AFTER the trials. JMOO.

House passes bill to help pay for Pike County death-penalty cases - News - The Columbus Dispatch
Posted Apr 3, 2019 at 6:02 PM
Updated Apr 3, 2019 at 8:38 PM

A bill aimed at helping Pike County deal with the staggering costs of prosecuting four death-penalty cases resulting from the April 2016 murder of eight people passed the Ohio House on Wednesday with overwhelming support.
House Bill 85, which passed 93-2

The bill is designed to help any county that finds itself with capital cases expected to cost more than 5 percent of its general fund.
The county spent $600,000 on the investigation, the prosecution of the death-penalty cases including a legal defense for the accused, is likely to run more than $4 million.

The bill, which would immediately make $4 million available for Pike County, would allow a county to request financial help through the attorney general or state public defender. The request would ultimately need the approval of the state’s Controlling Board, a legislative spending-oversight panel.

The bill now moves to the Senate, where Sen. Bob Peterson, R-Sabina, the No. 2 Senate leader who represents Pike County, supports the measure.

Having four death-penalty cases in a county at one time is almost unheard of in Ohio. In the past two years, only five people convicted of murders have been sentenced to death in the state.

 

[Loomis124]

Well, this is an eye opener. According to the date shown here, HR had been with JW since 2010. Wow.

Hanna May Rhoden on Marrying Jake Wagner

 

[Loomis124]

Fight and JW abuse

Jake Wagner Abuse Allegation and Wagner/Rhoden Fight Info by Kathy J. Manley Clay

 

[Loomis124]

This article confirms her age as 13 when she started seeing JW. Be sure to read all the way to the end because it's easy to think it ends much earlier than it does. JMO

Rhoden family massacre: Arrests throw child custody issue back to Ohio courts

 

[Loomis124]

Informative article with a little history. Scroll down to the first article.

PressReader.com - Your favorite newspapers and magazines.

 

[Merrygirl]

de facto guardian (top line)

Stef DiPietrantonio on Twitter

Here's the kind of custody Jake was trying to get Hanna to sign over before she died, and the custody he received after she died. This is where the guardianship document comes into play. Hanna's signature was forged after she wouldn't sign. It's interesting in the affidavit portion we saw, he never stated he was her father. JMO

de facto guardian (top line)

Stef DiPietrantonio on Twitter

Here's the kind of custody Jake was trying to get Hanna to sign over before she died, and the custody he received after she died. This is where the guardianship document comes into play. Hanna's signature was forged after she wouldn't sign. It's interesting in the affidavit portion we saw, he never stated he was her father. JMO

IANAL: I did some research and I can’t find that it was ever passed as written. I noticed it was introduced in the 126th Oh assembly in 2005-6. I also found another similar version but with some different wording. I can’t find anything that says any version was passed but I know from my community nursing and case management experience that the practices haven’t changed. It appears the language is only addressing situations involving “in loco parentis” but the parents still retain at least partial parents’ rights. I don’t believe it would apply here as JW would have to establish himself legally as a parent. The document provided under HB 459 (126th assembly) only gives “temporary” rights until the parent returns. I assume this was perhaps what the judge used to provide temporary custody until his parentage was established legally. It would NOT give him permanent guardianship. Btw, his guardianship was revoked after he was arrested so he no longer has custody. It went to CR’s estate. Laws, Acts, and Legislation

 

[Loomis124]

IANAL: I did some research and I can’t find that it was ever passed as written. I noticed it was introduced in the 126th Oh assembly in 2005-6. I also found another similar version but with some different wording. I can’t find anything that says any version was passed but I know from my community nursing and case management experience that the practices haven’t changed. It appears the language is only addressing situations involving “in loco parentis” but the parents still retain at least partial parents’ rights. I don’t believe it would apply here as JW would have to establish himself legally as a parent. The document provided under HB 459 (126th assembly) only gives “temporary” rights until the parent returns. I assume this was perhaps what the judge used to provide temporary custody until his parentage was established legally. It would NOT give him permanent guardianship. Btw, his guardianship was revoked after he was arrested so he no longer has custody. It went to CR’s estate. Laws, Acts, and Legislation
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Yes, thanks. I just saw it mentioned in the affidavit.

 

[Loomis124]

IANAL: I did some research and I can’t find that it was ever passed as written. I noticed it was introduced in the 126th Oh assembly in 2005-6. I also found another similar version but with some different wording. I can’t find anything that says any version was passed but I know from my community nursing and case management experience that the practices haven’t changed. It appears the language is only addressing situations involving “in loco parentis” but the parents still retain at least partial parents’ rights. I don’t believe it would apply here as JW would have to establish himself legally as a parent. The document provided under HB 459 (126th assembly) only gives “temporary” rights until the parent returns. I assume this was perhaps what the judge used to provide temporary custody until his parentage was established legally. It would NOT give him permanent guardianship. Btw, his guardianship was revoked after he was arrested so he no longer has custody. It went to CR’s estate. Laws, Acts, and Legislation
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I forgot to mention...the thing that caught my attention was that the de facto wording pointed to the house bill which involved ORC 2151.34.

Lawriter - ORC - 2151.34 Protection order against a minor.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Hey Sleuthers who do you all think is talking to the BCI, just a thought but they aren’t going to go and look on that farm unless they know something or somewhere and also it was very cold the day the dive team was searching those ponds, Fredericka farm has a lot of small ponds on it and the BCI knew just where to search, JMO but I really think it is George the 4th talking!

 

[Loomis124]

IANAL: I did some research and I can’t find that it was ever passed as written. I noticed it was introduced in the 126th Oh assembly in 2005-6. I also found another similar version but with some different wording. I can’t find anything that says any version was passed but I know from my community nursing and case management experience that the practices haven’t changed. It appears the language is only addressing situations involving “in loco parentis” but the parents still retain at least partial parents’ rights. I don’t believe it would apply here as JW would have to establish himself legally as a parent. The document provided under HB 459 (126th assembly) only gives “temporary” rights until the parent returns. I assume this was perhaps what the judge used to provide temporary custody until his parentage was established legally. It would NOT give him permanent guardianship. Btw, his guardianship was revoked after he was arrested so he no longer has custody. It went to CR’s estate. Laws, Acts, and Legislation
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DBM double post

 

[Cool Cats]

Affidavit in Support of Ex Parte Order of Temporary Custody
April 28, 2016

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/79558927-0643-4856-954b-3b508dafcc01-jpeg.225927/

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[Merrygirl]

Who is this CR?

Also, one thing Dewine said at the arrests. Not quoting, but something to the effect of...the Wagners were obsessed with "custody and control of children."

Every piece of information that comes out continues to magnify that fact. I am so extremely thankful those children are no longer in the hands of the narcissistic Wagners. I can't imagine being in that house day after day, night after night, with those raving lunatics, especially after they were ripped from their home in Ohio and dragged across the country and back. And poor SW, suffering the loss of her dear mother and her family.

This erks me to deep in my soul. No punishment will ever be great enough.

LOL, now they are “safe” in the hands of Scioto Co CPS. Lololololol

 

[sunshineray]

Well, this is an eye opener. According to the date shown here, HR had been with JW since 2010. Wow.

Hanna May Rhoden on Marrying Jake Wagner

So how old was HR in August of 2010?

 

[Cool Cats]

Where is a copy of this? I can’t find a pic tysm

Signature 3rd page
I posted the Affidavit above. Was sent to me and was able to get it to post.
Post #544

 

[sunshineray]

Fight and JW abuse

Jake Wagner Abuse Allegation and Wagner/Rhoden Fight Info by Kathy J. Manley Clay

Wow Loomis, I'd never seen those before, just horrible.

 

[Cool Cats]

So how old was HR in August of 2010?

13.
BIRTH 7 Apr 1997

 

[sunshineray]

IANAL: I did some research and I can’t find that it was ever passed as written. I noticed it was introduced in the 126th Oh assembly in 2005-6. I also found another similar version but with some different wording. I can’t find anything that says any version was passed but I know from my community nursing and case management experience that the practices haven’t changed. It appears the language is only addressing situations involving “in loco parentis” but the parents still retain at least partial parents’ rights. I don’t believe it would apply here as JW would have to establish himself legally as a parent. The document provided under HB 459 (126th assembly) only gives “temporary” rights until the parent returns. I assume this was perhaps what the judge used to provide temporary custody until his parentage was established legally. It would NOT give him permanent guardianship. Btw, his guardianship was revoked after he was arrested so he no longer has custody. It went to CR’s estate. Laws, Acts, and Legislation
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Merrygirl, if JW didn't have permanent guardianship provided by the court, how could he legally plan to take SW out of country?

 

[Cool Cats]

Merrygirl, if JW didn't have permanent guardianship provided by the court, how could he legally plan to take SW out of country?

Somewhere on this thread, someone posted this Court Document
that this article is quoting from ---
It says:

On June 16, 2016, a court entry was filed by Pike County Juvenile Court Judge Robert Rosenberger granting that reads, "After presentation of the evidence, the Court finds that there has been a change in the circumstances of the child and/or custodial parent, specifically: the Mother, Hanna May Rhoden is deceased; and that changing the residential parent and legal custodian is in the best interests of the child."

Jake ended up with full legal custody.

 

[Merrygirl]

Can you sleuthers see what Hanna and Jake where doing, first of all SW was born in 2013, Big Chris worked for himself, Dana worked in a nursing home neither one had a medical card for Hanna May, while Billy Wagner was on disability social security and Angela Wagner was a house wife with no family medical care, Jake told the news reporter that he and his brother drove a truck for themselves and Jake was only 19 at the time so you figure those 2 didn’t have any medical care for their little trucking company, so SW was probably born with the state paying the hospital bill that was around $14,000 after that little SW had to have prenatal care so that was probably paid by state card also, SW might have still been getting state aid all the way up to Hanna May going to work at the nursing home, so if you think about it Jake owed the state of Ohio around $100,000 thousand dollars in back child support, so if he went thru state child care to get custody of SW and did the DNA testing, the state of Ohio would ask for their money back and Jake wasn’t about to start paying Hanna May child support while she was dating other men, all of you know by now the Wagners does not like to pay money to anyone, JMO

Can you sleuthers see what Hanna and Jake where doing, first of all SW was born in 2013, Big Chris worked for himself, Dana worked in a nursing home neither one had a medical card for Hanna May, while Billy Wagner was on disability social security and Angela Wagner was a house wife with no family medical care, Jake told the news reporter that he and his brother drove a truck for themselves and Jake was only 19 at the time so you figure those 2 didn’t have any medical care for their little trucking company, so SW was probably born with the state paying the hospital bill that was around $14,000 after that little SW had to have prenatal care so that was probably paid by state card also, SW might have still been getting state aid all the way up to Hanna May going to work at the nursing home, so if you think about it Jake owed the state of Ohio around $100,000 thousand dollars in back child support, so if he went thru state child care to get custody of SW and did the DNA testing, the state of Ohio would ask for their money back and Jake wasn’t about to start paying Hanna May child support while she was dating other men, all of you know by now the Wagners does not like to pay money to anyone, JMO

‘I believe DR had healthcare covering HMR as a minor. JFS requires the father to have DNA as proof and they would seek support from JW, even if only $50/month. The SW would have been covered until HMR reached 18 and she was working at a nursing home by then.

 

[Merrygirl]

In this link you provided, on line 10., JW says he is "a de facto guardian", it does not say I am her father. Why? On line 10.a., he says "I am sure that Sophia is my child". He offers no proof like his name on her birth certificate or DNA proof, or offers to do a DNA test from what I can see. Just my observations...
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/custodyjpg-jpg.215503/

‘Even in #11 it says “...I do not have authority...”