OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #54

[GoBuckeyes]

Reading your post got me curious about what a tattoo release form is. So I found this one if anyone is interested. So yes, I have to agree with you that Billy is "stupid" for not getting an off-grid tattoo if the tattoo he got is any type of tattoo that would draw suspicion to his crimes. Which yes, it is that type of tattoo or the prosecution wouldn't have his tattoo release form in evidence.

Tattoo consent and release form

Thanks for posting, CC!

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks for posting, CC!

Ditto...

 

[Cool Cats]

Just my 2 cent ramblings today.......

Before the arrests and what has become known about custody I was sure that Chris Senior was the main target of the murder plot.

Before the laser focus I thought the murders had to do with Chris Senior buying up land and buying the new home and jealousy and someone thinking he owed them money etc...

I now believe HR was the #1 main target and it was not about land or money or the new home, but what "keeps me up at night" is wondering why were all 8 killed?

People get killed in custody disputes but not 8 people living in 4 different locations.

2 ideas have come up.

At the press conference someone asked DeWine if the whole family was killed so that none of them could seek custody. DeWine's answer:

"Draw your own conclusions."

Also, it has been brought up that it was "hillbilly justice"
made to look like a cartel hit.

Added to this I wonder if the killers were afraid of the family and killed everyone that they thought would seek revenge against them - revenge because the killers knew the family would suspect them if anything bad happened to HR.

So maybe it is all 3 of these reasons as to why all 8 were killed.

One more possibility is that Gary and HG were only killed because they just happened to be there.

Well, I really really hope, by next fall, we can find out the real reason....Just waiting.....

One thing for sure, if the Wagners did it, they did not comprehend the ramifications of killing that many people plus the statute of limitations.

I think they thought it would be blamed on the marijuana grow operations with cartel involvement and they would give their lies and false cooperation to LE, then it would all blow over into a cold case, case closed.

They were shocked, very shocked when the intense (up close and personal) investigation refused to blow over. Jake said they were trying to get away from it but it followed them to AK.
4000 miles from Ohio

They felt angry that this wasn't going away and you see this reflected in their lawyer's statements to the press, and in the revenge conversations where it sounds like they wanted to kill DeWine, Reader and Special Agent S. and anyone who went against them.

Note the pattern....

The Wagners are used to having control and what happened with custody? They lost control. How did they then get control?

They committed murder.

What happened during the murder investigation?
They lost control. How did they then plan to get control?

They planned to murder all LE and others in their way.

 

[OhioBlues]

Just my 2 cent ramblings today.......

Before the arrests and what has become known about custody I was sure that Chris Senior was the main target of the murder plot.

Before the laser focus I thought the murders had to do with Chris Senior buying up land and buying the new home and jealousy and someone thinking he owed them money etc...

I now believe HR was the #1 main target and it was not about land or money or the new home, but what "keeps me up at night" is wondering why were all 8 killed?

People get killed in custody disputes but not 8 people living in 4 different locations.

2 ideas have come up.

At the press conference someone asked DeWine if the whole family was killed so that none of them could seek custody. DeWine's answer:

"Draw your own conclusions."

Also, it has been brought up that it was "hillbilly justice"
made to look like a cartel hit.

Added to this I wonder if the killers were afraid of the family and killed everyone that they thought would seek revenge against them - revenge because the killers knew the family would suspect them if anything bad happened to HR.

So maybe it is all 3 of these reasons as to why all 8 were killed.

One more possibility is that Gary and HG were only killed because they just happened to be there.

Well, I really really hope, by next fall, we can find out the real reason....Just waiting.....

One thing for sure, if the Wagners did it, they did not comprehend the ramifications of killing that many people plus the statute of limitations.

I think they thought it would be blamed on the marijuana grow operations with cartel involvement and they would give their lies and false cooperation to LE, then it would all blow over into a cold case, case closed.

They were shocked, very shocked when the intense (up close and personal) investigation refused to blow over. Jake said they were trying to get away from it but it followed them to AK.
4000 miles from Ohio

They felt angry that this wasn't going away and you see this reflected in their lawyer's statements to the press, and in the revenge conversations where it sounds like they wanted to kill DeWine, Reader and Special Agent S. and anyone who went against them.

Note the pattern....

The Wagners are used to having control and what happened with custody? They lost control. How did they then get control?

They committed murder.

What happened during the murder investigation?
They lost control. How did they then plan to get control?

They planned to murder all LE and others in their way.

When do you think these people will go to trial?

I am thinking 2022. I don't think their attorney's will even know the evidence til late 2020. jmo

 

[Cool Cats]

When do you think these people will go to trial?

I am thinking 2022. I don't think their attorney's will even know the evidence til late 2020. jmo

From recent article:

The trials are set to begin this fall, said Angela's attorney Robert F. Krapenc.

“I think we had all hoped, and we still hope, to try these cases sometime in the fall. Because they have been – they’re getting long in the tooth. They’re getting old," Krapenc said.

But delays due to the corona virus might interfere with the trials starting this fall. Mark C. Collins, Billy Wagner's attorney, said things have been "put on hold."

"Basically we’ve been on hold for two months," Collins said. "We have April pre-trials now moved to June.

Collins said the Wagner family attorneys have yet to receive the government's discovery document.

Ok, so let's take a look at this. It is a very good sign that Angie's lawyer thinks the trials are getting "long in the tooth."

When a defense attorney makes this kind of statement it means that waiting too long can jeopardize putting on a good defense. Clearly witnesses including LE can forget things and some may have moved away after such a long time and evidence can become stale etc... And it becomes unfair to continue to expect the defendants to waive speedy trial again and again.

Jake and GW4 have waived it twice now.

I really believe that if people can get back into courts next month that we will see a Wagner trial scheduled for this fall.

What I don't get is Billy's attorney saying that the Wagner family attorneys have not received all the discovery documents yet.

The parties have argued the non-substantive motions (the Judge still has to rule on some of those) but what they haven't even done yet is argue the substantive motions, like can the defense keep out Jake's prior violent acts and throw out the shoe expert testimony for example.

To argue these motions the defense needs all of the discovery. Then we still don't know what the Judge ruled as far as hiring a discovery coordinator.

If things don't start moving along in June/July virus or no virus, I think the prosecution could risk the defendants refusing to continue waiving their speedy trial and the defense attorneys filing a lot of motions to get a lot of the evidence thrown out.

Time will begin to work against the prosecution if this drags on past this coming fall. Sitting in jail 2 full years with every jail day counting as 3 days towards a speedy trial is not a good look if one trial out of 4 has not even happened yet!

There are 4 trials that need to happen not just one.

Look for something big to happen this fall is my opinion.

Today marks 4 years since 8 members of the Rhoden family were slain in their homes. Will the cases ever go to trial?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Just my 2 cent ramblings today.......

Before the arrests and what has become known about custody I was sure that Chris Senior was the main target of the murder plot.

Before the laser focus I thought the murders had to do with Chris Senior buying up land and buying the new home and jealousy and someone thinking he owed them money etc...

I now believe HR was the #1 main target and it was not about land or money or the new home, but what "keeps me up at night" is wondering why were all 8 killed?

People get killed in custody disputes but not 8 people living in 4 different locations.

2 ideas have come up.

At the press conference someone asked DeWine if the whole family was killed so that none of them could seek custody. DeWine's answer:

"Draw your own conclusions."

Also, it has been brought up that it was "hillbilly justice"
made to look like a cartel hit.

Added to this I wonder if the killers were afraid of the family and killed everyone that they thought would seek revenge against them - revenge because the killers knew the family would suspect them if anything bad happened to HR.

So maybe it is all 3 of these reasons as to why all 8 were killed.

One more possibility is that Gary and HG were only killed because they just happened to be there.

Well, I really really hope, by next fall, we can find out the real reason....Just waiting.....

One thing for sure, if the Wagners did it, they did not comprehend the ramifications of killing that many people plus the statute of limitations.

I think they thought it would be blamed on the marijuana grow operations with cartel involvement and they would give their lies and false cooperation to LE, then it would all blow over into a cold case, case closed.

They were shocked, very shocked when the intense (up close and personal) investigation refused to blow over. Jake said they were trying to get away from it but it followed them to AK.
4000 miles from Ohio

They felt angry that this wasn't going away and you see this reflected in their lawyer's statements to the press, and in the revenge conversations where it sounds like they wanted to kill DeWine, Reader and Special Agent S. and anyone who went against them.

Note the pattern....

The Wagners are used to having control and what happened with custody? They lost control. How did they then get control?

They committed murder.

What happened during the murder investigation?
They lost control. How did they then plan to get control?

They planned to murder all LE and others in their way.

BBM

It maybe doesn't happen a lot, but it happens. One man in Georgia killed his estranged wife, drove across town to kill her sister and BIL, then drove 90 miles to kill her parents, all because he said her family was "keeping her from him".

I also think HR was the main target and was killed last so Jake could be sure to tell her how many of her family he had killed.

JMO

 

[Dudly]

From recent article:

The trials are set to begin this fall, said Angela's attorney Robert F. Krapenc.

“I think we had all hoped, and we still hope, to try these cases sometime in the fall. Because they have been – they’re getting long in the tooth. They’re getting old," Krapenc said.

But delays due to the corona virus might interfere with the trials starting this fall. Mark C. Collins, Billy Wagner's attorney, said things have been "put on hold."

"Basically we’ve been on hold for two months," Collins said. "We have April pre-trials now moved to June.

Collins said the Wagner family attorneys have yet to receive the government's discovery document.

Ok, so let's take a look at this. It is a very good sign that Angie's lawyer thinks the trials are getting "long in the tooth."

When a defense attorney makes this kind of statement it means that waiting too long can jeopardize putting on a good defense. Clearly witnesses including LE can forget things and some may have moved away after such a long time and evidence can become stale etc... And it becomes unfair to continue to expect the defendants to waive speedy trial again and again.

Jake and GW4 have waived it twice now.

I really believe that if people can get back into courts next month that we will see a Wagner trial scheduled for this fall.

What I don't get is Billy's attorney saying that the Wagner family attorneys have not received all the discovery documents yet.

The parties have argued the non-substantive motions (the Judge still has to rule on some of those) but what they haven't even done yet is argue the substantive motions, like can the defense keep out Jake's prior violent acts and throw out the shoe expert testimony for example.

To argue these motions the defense needs all of the discovery. Then we still don't know what the Judge ruled as far as hiring a discovery coordinator.

If things don't start moving along in June/July virus or no virus, I think the prosecution could risk the defendants refusing to continue waiving their speedy trial and the defense attorneys filing a lot of motions to get a lot of the evidence thrown out.

Time will begin to work against the prosecution if this drags on past this coming fall. Sitting in jail 2 full years with every jail day counting as 3 days towards a speedy trial is not a good look if one trial out of 4 has not even happened yet!

There are 4 trials that need to happen not just one.

Look for something big to happen this fall is my opinion.

Today marks 4 years since 8 members of the Rhoden family were slain in their homes. Will the cases ever go to trial?

I have to question the Defense claims that they do not have all the discovery. I can believe that they have not reviewed all of it yet, due to the volume of the information. But the claim also throws the blame on the Prosecution.

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM

It maybe doesn't happen a lot, but it happens. One man in Georgia killed his estranged wife, drove across town to kill her sister and BIL, then drove 90 miles to kill her parents, all because he said her family was "keeping her from him".

I also think HR was the main target and was killed last so Jake could be sure to tell her how many of her family he had killed.

JMO

I think Jake was too much of a coward to face HR and tell her anything, thus shooting her in her sleep. They were all too damn cowardly to talk to any of the victims. They shot them quickly like the cowards they are.

 

[Cool Cats]

I have to question the Defense claims that they do not have all the discovery. I can believe that they have not reviewed all of it yet, due to the volume of the information. But the claim also throws the blame on the Prosecution.

If the Prosecution is so reckless that they can't have all the discovery released to the defense by what will be 20 months at the June hearings, then the judge should throw out some of the evidence.

Sorry. I just don't think the virus is any excuse for them not to be working on the evidence. In fact, they have more time, less cases are going through court now.

If I was innocent I would not keep waiving my speedy trial sitting in jail for years. But they might know they are guilty and be glad to put it off.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

If the Prosecution is so reckless that they can't have all the discovery released to the defense by what will be 20 months at the June hearings, then the judge should throw out some of the evidence.
Could the evidence that the defense is referring to that they don’t have,would be the search that was done on FW farm last fall?

Sorry. I just don't think the virus is any excuse for them not to be working on the evidence. In fact, they have more time, less cases are going through court now.

If I was innocent I would not keep waiving my speedy trial sitting in jail for years. But they might know they are guilty and be glad to put it off.

 

[rsd1200]

I think Jake was too much of a coward to face HR and tell her anything, thus shooting her in her sleep. They were all too damn cowardly to talk to any of the victims. They shot them quickly like the cowards they are.

I tend to think there was some discussion with DR b/c of the locations of the shots. It seems they had a very personal issue with her, or it was supposed to look that way. Possibly some conversation with CR2 due to him very likely being awake (hate typing that).

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I tend to think there was some discussion with DR b/c of the locations of the shots. It seems they had a very personal issue with her, or it was supposed to look that way. Possibly some conversation with CR2 due to him very likely being awake (hate typing that).

Wonder why Big Chris was covered up with something like a blanket?

 

[Cool Cats]

Wonder why Big Chris was covered up with something like a blanket?

There is only one source that quoted BJM as to "lifting a cover" on Chris and it is not from a mainstream media source. Just a person who put their writing up on a writing website. It was the worst article I ever read on the Rhodens. All negative.

Unless there is a reliable source that Chris was actually covered with something, I wouldn't take it as a fact in the case.

Just my opinion.

 

[Cool Cats]

I tend to think there was some discussion with DR b/c of the locations of the shots. It seems they had a very personal issue with her, or it was supposed to look that way. Possibly some conversation with CR2 due to him very likely being awake (hate typing that).

I prefer to think no one suffered. If they made any of the victims suffer by being scared before they were shot, then justice will be served when the guilty are scared "shirtless" sitting on DR.

 

[Cool Cats]

Could the evidence that the defense is referring to that they don’t have,would be the search that was done on FW farm last fall?

The search was in November. Come the hearings in June that gives them 8 months to have gotten the search warrants and evidence lists/photos of what they found to the defense.

I can't imagine on God's green earth why that wouldn't be done already.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I prefer to think no one suffered. If they made any of the victims suffer by being scared before they were shot, then justice will be served when the guilty are scared "shirtless" sitting on DR.

I certainly hope that the killers had a modicum of compassion and carried out their deeds while the victims slept. Like you, I like to think that there was no additional suffering.

Do you think that information will ever be confirmed?

 

[Cool Cats]

I certainly hope that the killers had a modicum of compassion and carried out their deeds while the victims slept. Like you, I like to think that there was no additional suffering.

Do you think that information will ever be confirmed?

Yes. And with photos for the Jury to see, I don't think the general public will see them.

Canepa argued against the motion that all crime scene photos of the victims be kept out. She said it should be done on a case by case basis when it comes up at trial at which point she would go over the photos - with the defense - that she wants the jury to see. I can't remember what she said exactly word for word, she said this in court. The quote below is from a MSM article.

She also said:

“Death is not pretty,” using possibly upsetting or explicit photos is likely to, unfortunately, prove necessary to the prosecution’s cases."

Past suspect behaviors, grisly murder scene photos may play parts in Rhoden trials - Portsmouth Daily Times

 

[Betty P]

What happened during the murder investigation?
They lost control. How did they then plan to get control?

They planned to murder all LE and others in their way.

They lost control because people from outside the area were in charge of the investigation. People like Angela Canepa and AG DeWine. The Wags controlled a lot of locals, as many here surmised (the Boss Hogg theory). DeWine was also running for governor, which gave him extra incentive to personally supervise the case and make sure arrests were made.

 

[Betty P]

I have to question the Defense claims that they do not have all the discovery. I can believe that they have not reviewed all of it yet, due to the volume of the information. But the claim also throws the blame on the Prosecution.

Yes, they have all the evidence from the prosecution. The last hearings were just more delays asking for the judge to pay for the expert to help them sort and organize it. I don't think they bothered to even look at what they had been given.

They've had plenty of time since February to review and organize it all. No more excuses from the defense. Time to move on to the trials.

 

[ColMustard]

Wel too bad the trials won't start any time soon, like 7am tomorrow. Just break out the whips and chairs and get cracka-lacking. Build fires inder the appropriate chairs and have at it.
Don't think I'll be seeing it. Whenever they pull it together.

Feels like the clock running out. Like the sun goi'n down on me.