OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #54

[Cool Cats]

It's in Betty's Timeline at the beginning of every new Thread. Thread # 54 Page # 1, Post # 2 about midway down the post. Post is in chronological sequence. Is there another conflicting Timeline that needs to be corrected? Where were you looking?

I will try to link for you.

OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #54

"May 18, 2017
BCI searches a Ford Excursion, retrieves items for testing and submitted as evidence"

JMO, MOO, etc.

I was looking here:

Media & Timeline NO DISCUSSION - Pike Co, OH 8 Family Members Murdered

Not at the beginning of thread. Thankx for clarification!

 

[Cool Cats]

It's in Betty's Timeline at the beginning of every new Thread. Thread # 54 Page # 1, Post # 2 about midway down the post. Post is in chronological sequence. Is there another conflicting Timeline that needs to be corrected? Where were you looking?

I will try to link for you.

OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #54

"May 18, 2017
BCI searches a Ford Excursion, retrieves items for testing and submitted as evidence"

JMO, MOO, etc.

I was looking here:

Media & Timeline NO DISCUSSION - Pike Co, OH 8 Family Members Murdered

Not at the beginning of thread. Thankx for clarification!

 

[Cool Cats]

Members can still discuss what they have been discussing all along (including FW and RN). My post was based on the introduction of some names that were brought into the thread yesterday. Such posts were removed, and apologies that I wasn't more clear. We were swamped with other threads so I am short on specifics, but generally it was in relation to a vehicle transaction that was leading to sleuthing of individuals other than those named in this case).

I didn't think of that. In searching through records like real estate, vehicle titles etc...names that come up shouldn't be listed on the thread because those people have a right to privacy and are not apart of the case.

They should be "John and Jane Doe's. "
Thankx!

 

[Cool Cats]

Incorporated wasn't the right word then. I just remembered it at the top of the document on file with secretary of states office. So I am unsure then what that attorneys office's role may have been.

If it's on the actual document then that means it is the law firm that got the
DOMESTIC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY started. Has to be started with an attorney and the attorney's name is usually at the top of the page. My opinion.

 

[Loomis124]

George Wagner Iii USDOT 1394698 - Peebles, Ohio Trucking Company

GWIII

 

[Loomis124]

Link to AW posting the Excursion for sale

Angela Wagner

 

[Cool Cats]

George Wagner Iii USDOT 1394698 - Peebles, Ohio Trucking Company

GWIII

Thanks, you just cleared up something. @Johnny B Bad asked what kind of semi Jake had and what he hauled and you found the 2 things that show GW3 most likely had a livestock semi and hauled livestock.

From your link above:

Company Contact Info
George Wagner III

Peebles, OH
Cargo Hauled by George Wagner III
Livestock

And from this link you told me about and asked me to post:

Defiance Farms - Defiance Farms - Hauling cattle!!!

Located within historic Stockyards City, the Oklahoma National Stockyards is the largest stocker/feeder cattle market in the world. Cattle auction every Monday and Tuesday.

 

[Loomis124]

@Cool Cats this is the article that mentions Brian Brown saying Jake and George IV were "diesel" mechanics.

Warrant: Investigators put GPS tracker on truck of Rhoden victim's brother

Brown said the brothers, both diesel mechanics and one-time over-the-road truck drivers, often worked on his vehicles. He said he was doing them a favor by letting them store the items on his property.

 

[Loomis124]

@Cool Cats this is the article that mentions Brian Brown saying Jake and George IV were "diesel" mechanics.

Warrant: Investigators put GPS tracker on truck of Rhoden victim's brother

Brown said the brothers, both diesel mechanics and one-time over-the-road truck drivers, often worked on his vehicles. He said he was doing them a favor by letting them store the items on his property.

Emphasis is that diesel mechanics make more money. MO

 

[Tiff23fr]

Thanks, you just cleared up something. @Johnny B Bad asked what kind of semi Jake had and what he hauled and you found the 2 things that show GW3 most likely had a livestock semi and hauled livestock.

From your link above:

Company Contact Info
George Wagner III

Peebles, OH
Cargo Hauled by George Wagner III
Livestock

And from this link you told me about and asked me to post:

Defiance Farms - Defiance Farms - Hauling cattle!!!

Located within historic Stockyards City, the Oklahoma National Stockyards is the largest stocker/feeder cattle market in the world. Cattle auction every Monday and Tuesday.

Fredericka/ Flying W bred cattle in the 80's and 90's. I don't know if they still were in 2016. If they were, it's a possibility Billy/Angela were hauling for Flying W. JMO Just a possibility..

"When we started our mini project in the early 90’s we found leads on three mini herds and tried to track them down. It turned out to be the same herd. It started in the early 1980’s by Fredericka Wagner at her Flying W Farm,Piketown,Ohio. "
August | 2012 | Miniature Highland Cattle | Page 2

On this site search by breeder name.
ADCA Pedigree Search

 

[Cool Cats]

@Cool Cats this is the article that mentions Brian Brown saying Jake and George IV were "diesel" mechanics.

Warrant: Investigators put GPS tracker on truck of Rhoden victim's brother

Thankx! I couldn't find it. Now I have the link.

So I thought I had read that Jake said he sold the semi. If this is out there and you or you other sleuths run across it, please post.

My bookmarks are in a jumble and time to get things in categories. Otherwise I keep hunting over and over for the same information so I'm trying to organize keeping similar subjects together.

Subjects like information on the 4 Wagners' work history including FWF and Defiance Farm work, different places where they lived, what they told the MSM, Vehicles owned including recreation, things other people say about them such as neighbors, employers, employees, Sunco owner who saw then buy things regularly, pastor, LE, Fred, Rhodens, Manleys like LM saying Jake was at his house for every holiday etc...

(Strange no personal friends have come forward that I know of. Wow, very strange for 4 defendants in a high profile case. Guess being home schooled and clannish and arrogant etc...cut them off from people, opinion)

 

[Cool Cats]

Fredericka/ Flying W bred cattle in the 80's and 90's. I don't know if they still were in 2016. If they were, it's a possibility Billy/Angela were hauling for Flying W. JMO Just a possibility..

"When we started our mini project in the early 90’s we found leads on three mini herds and tried to track them down. It turned out to be the same herd. It started in the early 1980’s by Fredericka Wagner at her Flying W Farm,Piketown,Ohio. "
August | 2012 | Miniature Highland Cattle | Page 2

On this site search by breeder name.
ADCA Pedigree Search

Wow! You are way ahead of me! I'm thinking Defiance Farms and it is more likely GW3 was hauling for Fred and it was Fred's livestock Semi! Not Billy's semi and not his business. The onion has many layers. I'm only at the first few layers!

Thankx! "Just when I thought it was over - they pull me back in!"

So we know Billy and maybe his sons drove a livestock semi with cows to Stock Yards Oklahoma. At least this is something! Any information is good information.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I was wondering the same thing @sillybilly if we can still discuss Fredericka Wagner? The prosecution said they wanted to re-charge her at some point but maybe they won't. However, they searched her property, the Flying W Farms for a 3rd time just last November. They were there for 5 days and did say it was related to the Rhoden murders.

Also can we still discuss Rita Newcomb who is Angie's mom? She is cooperating, took a plea with the prosecution and will likely testify at trial. After her cooperation the prosecution will recommend a reduced sentence.

It seems they are both still part of the case but want to run it by you. Thankx!

CC
Silly Billy said that it had to be a person that was concerted to the Rhodens murders, Fredericka Wagner can still have charges filed against her, she has 5 1/2 years to go, and Rita Newcomb has plead guilty all ready, so yes both of them are still connected to the case, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks, you just cleared up something. @Johnny B Bad asked what kind of semi Jake had and what he hauled and you found the 2 things that show GW3 most likely had a livestock semi and hauled livestock.

From your link above:

Company Contact Info
George Wagner III

Peebles, OH
Cargo Hauled by George Wagner III
Livestock

And from this link you told me about and asked me to post:

Defiance Farms - Defiance Farms - Hauling cattle!!!

Located within historic Stockyards City, the Oklahoma National Stockyards is the largest stocker/feeder cattle market in the world. Cattle auction every Monday and Tuesday.

Correction:

GW3 may have been driving a FWF livestock semi and hauling FWF cattle and did not own a semi or his own cattle. Evidently FWF was into cattle at one point.

It's good alot of different sleuthers are on here to add in or correct information! Especially my information since I wasn't on Websleuths until after arrests. Too bad for me, I missed many good conversations! But I enjoy going back to read, especially everyone's reactions to the arrests.

 

[Cool Cats]

CC
Silly Billy said that it had to be a person that was concerted to the Rhodens murders, Fredericka Wagner can still have charges filed against her, she has 5 1/2 years to go, and Rita Newcomb has plead guilty all ready, so yes both of them are still connected to the case, JMO

Yes! SB said Fred and Rita can be discussed.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Wow! You are way ahead of me! I'm thinking Defiance Farms and it is more likely GW3 was hauling for Fred and it was Fred's livestock Semi! Not Billy's semi and not his business. The onion has many layers. I'm only at the first few layers!

Thankx! "Just when I thought it was over - they pull me back in!"

So we know Billy and maybe his sons drove a livestock semi with cows to Stock Yards Oklahoma. At least this is something! Any information is good information.

Cattle was referenced a while back in this article:
For nearly 50 years, Wagner has been the matriarch of the family, running Flying W Farms, where her family has raised and sold horses, cattle and pigs on a rolling plot that rises over Piketon. Since the arrests, she has struggled to keep the farm solvent.

A matriarch's fight: Fredericka Wagner denies charges, allegations in Pike County mass murder

 

[Cool Cats]

Youngest Wagner charged in Pike County massacre complains of ‘jailhouse snitches’

In court on Monday, the defense presented four motions requesting evidentiary hearings to determine the admissibility of certain evidence. The judge did not rule on those motions.

(Defense typical move - try to get evidence thrown out)

(BALLISTICS EVIDENCE, SHOEPRINT EVIDENCE, WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS, CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENTS)

Separately, Wagner’s attorney raised concerns about “jailhouse snitches," saying inmates at the Franklin County Jail are trying to get information out of him about the case.

The so-called “snitches” are trying to draw the information out of Wagner, his attorney says, so they can trade it for “liberty in their own case.”

If a jail inmate starts claiming Mr. Wagner is in there talking, I do not believe he is, the attorney said. He stands his ground and repeatedly says, "I’m not allowed to talk about my case, that’s what my lawyers tell me."

 

[Puzzles8]

This made he think. moo
And I thought of HORSE HAIR.
What are the odds that a family of people who own and care for dozens of horses carry around some horse hair (unseen, unknown to them) on their clothes, shoes, etc. And even if they were wearing some kind of new jumpsuits/coverups ( jmo, i think they did), there could have been horse hair all over their vehicles and made a transfer to them and then onto the murder scenes.
Just my opinion.
anyone who has a Cat or big Dog knows what Im talking about.

Or the reverse, trace evidence from the crime scenes was found in the Excursion.

There were identical Discovery documents filed for each of the W4 on 6/14/2019.

Dropbox - George4 discovery .pdf - Simplify your life

The Discovery appears to be BCI lab results concerning DNA, Ballistic evidence and "Trace" evidence. I looked up the definition of Trace evidence and it is:

"... materials that could be transferred during the commission of a violent crime. These trace materials include human hair, animal hair, textile fibers and fabric, rope, feathers, soil, glass, and building materials. The physical contact between a suspect and a victim can result in the transfer of trace materials. The identification and comparison of these materials can often associate a suspect to a crime scene or with another individual.
Trace evidence can include hair and fiber samples, gun powder residue, fingerprints, blood spatter evidence, carpet and floor samples and paint chips.

According to the California Association of Criminalists (in 2013):
"Trace evidence (is) frequently overlooked because of its microscopic size, applies micro-analysis to fibers, hair, soil, paint, glass, pollen, explosives, gunshot residue, food, plastic bags, and virtually anything involved in a crime."

Trace Evidence Definition

JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Sleuthers I’m very proud of the information that you have located about the Wagners past work history, from what information you all have located it really looks like FW has been the head of this family for a many years and I would say Angela and Fredericka has butted heads a lot of times,JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Sleuthers I’m very proud of the information that you have located about the Wagners past work history, from what information you all have located it really looks like FW has been the head of this family for a many years and I would say Angela and Fredericka has butted heads a lot of times,JMO

Yes, it shows the 4 Wagners have been tied to Fred since forever. It's my opinion only that when the Wagners tried to go at it independantly, they failed and ran back to FWF.

Note they tried their hand at running their own farm with many animals and also a huge garden and that tanked. Someone on here posted a record that showed the Peterson Rd. property was bought for $1.00 which leads me to believe it was Fred giving it to them so they would have more room for tge k