OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #58

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  • #921
but - in my notes I have this, which I copied from the docket site - 2nd from the bottom.

11/6/20: Journal entry ordering continuance of pretrial motion hearing-due to a conflict of the court's calendar, on Court's own motion. Pretrial hearing & pretrial motions hearing scheduled for 12/2/20 is continued to Tuesday, 12/22/20 @ 9am.

link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...0hUU7FYABtPB0g1JBW62sbo1tcneYrFJM508NSy0U4EeA


You're right! It was rescheduled due to a conflict in the court calendar. It will be both a pre-trial hearing and a hearing on the defendant's motions on Dec. 22.

Quite interesting happenings then, I suppose!
 
  • #922
I think they owned the long haul truck in 2018 and drove it on jobs and that it was bugged.

I think they had enough money from selling the Peterson Rd. house to not need to sell the long haul truck. They got the Peterson Rd. house free, I think from Fred. Someone posted the records and it showed they bought it for a token dollar. Take only as my opinion but I'm sure they got it for a token dollar from Fred.

At any rate, that means that when they sold it they did not have to first pay off a mortgage to a lending company. Instead they kept all the money.

I suspect they kept their truck in case Alaska didn't work out so they could resume their over the road trucking job when they got back. Also, GW4 was being bugged in summer of 2017 and summer of 2018 and they thought the truck they worked out of was bugged.

BCI couldn't bug a truck that belonged to a company, but they could bug the Wagner's personal truck. When they say "don't talk until we get home we are being bugged" and complain their truck is bugged, it sounds like they are talking from inside their truck. If so, only their personal truck could be bugged.

Opinion

I think it is possible that Peterson Road was bought for AW, I am not sure if AW and BW were living as a married couple.

When Ryan S..BCI agent (GW4 Aug 2020 hearing) was testifying, AC referred to Peterson Rd as GW, JW, AW 's residence at the time the property was sold in 2017.

It seems that either RS or AC also stated that BW was at Peterson Road the night of the murders but otherwise he did not live on Peterson Road.

JW said in a newspaper interview that him and HR either lived at DR's or at his mom's house

I am confused about AW's and BW's relationship. Did BW just sleep somewhere else (probably FW's), were they separated or what was the the deal?
 
  • #923
I think it is possible that Peterson Road was bought for AW, I am not sure if AW and BW were living as a married couple.

When Ryan S..BCI agent (GW4 Aug 2020 hearing) was testifying, AC referred to Peterson Rd as GW, JW, AW 's residence at the time the property was sold in 2017.

It seems that either RS or AC also stated that BW was at Peterson Road the night of the murders but otherwise he did not live on Peterson Road.

JW said in a newspaper interview that him and HR either lived at DR's or at his mom's house

I am confused about AW's and BW's relationship. Did BW just sleep somewhere else (probably FW's), were they separated or what was the the deal?

@Dudly brought this up awhile back and I was skeptical but now I think it makes alot of sense. That Billy was living at FWF's taking care of his dad, George II "Bob."
I read an article (I know it's opinion unless I find the article) that said Billy was living in his old bedroom at FWF's taking care of his dad.

His dad died in August 2017 of:

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease
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A group of progressive lung disorders characterized by increasing breathlessness.

A matriarch's fight: Fredericka Wagner denies charges, allegations in Pike County mass murder

This is a very chronic progressive disease that gets worse over a number of years. I am sure he had this disease in 2016 so it would make sense if Billy was staying at FWF's to help do the work his dad couldn't do anymore and to help his dad get around and things like that.

I also suspect that the marriage of Billy and Angela wasn't that great. According to the Podcast by a person close to them, Angela was afraid of Billy's temper, he "terrorized" them I think she said.

At any rate, I think it was a combination of a strained marriage and Billy having the perfect excuse to move out and not have to pay anything by staying in his old room again.

Despite all that there does seem to be a cult-like bond between the 4 Wagners, otherwise, Billy would not have left FWF's with them to live in Alaska. He must have had very compelling reasons to go. We know they were trying to buy property in Missouri using what Scheiderer described as a fraudulent loan, and
I think Billy wanted to get in on some of the money from selling the Peterson Rd. house.

When they came back from Ohio Angela and her "boys" moved into the house in South Webster that Angela inherited from her dad. We don't know if Billy moved in with them, if not, then I suspect he was back in his old room at FWF's with the excuse that his mom is now a widow and needs the help. He was arrested with Robin in a FWF's horse truck taking a horse to the vets so its pretty obvious he was working for Fred after getting back from Ohio.

Canepa did say Billy was at Peterson Rd. the night of the murders and I find this to be very suspicious. Why that night? Why even admit it? Seems he didn't want to use Fred or Robin as his alibi. If Fred knew, and I do not think she did, but if she knew what was going on then she might have told him she couldn't be his alibi, but she made up for it by looking up how to lie to a GJ the night before her GJ testimony.

Sorry so long-winded and this is just my take on it. I suspect during the trials we will find out if Billy lived in the South Webster home or not, and maybe more information on when Billy moved out and why he did, and why they wanted to buy property in Missouri of all places!

The relationship between Angela and Billy is a mystery alot of us are very curious about, I know I am.
 
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  • #924
Yup. Basically "placeholders" and I believe it's extremely unlikely other defendants will be uncovered. The prosecution actually did charge 2 other people outside of the Wagner 4, the 2 grandmothers, although after the fact.

Another reason Court Documents list Jane and John Does is to keep these plaintiffs or defendants or witnesses anonymous. What if the prosecution is keeping someone involved anonymous and to protect them they only say the Wagners are involved? No, I do not think this is what is going on but this is another reason John andcJane Does are used.

Why is "John Doe" Used As a Name for an Anonymous Person?

John Doe is also used in legal proceedings to protect someone who does not want to be identified. Such aliases are often used in criminal trials where someone is concerned about reprisals, for example, and members of juries are sometimes referred to as John Does in discussions about criminal trials so that they cannot be identified and pressured.

Humm.....Who will the Defense blame the murders on?
I think the answer to that last question is probably in the list of phones included in the discovery documents, JMO.
 
  • #925
Mike DeWine, made a comment about every sense the murders happened, that the LE has found out a lot more on the drug trade/crimes going on in Pike County, I just wonder in all the lies that the Wagners told LE, did they rat out the competition, because if they where not involved with corruption, how did they keep telling the LE who they thought it was, even Fredericka was in her interview saying she knew names???? JMO
 
  • #926
I think it is possible that Peterson Road was bought for AW, I am not sure if AW and BW were living as a married couple.

When Ryan S..BCI agent (GW4 Aug 2020 hearing) was testifying, AC referred to Peterson Rd as GW, JW, AW 's residence at the time the property was sold in 2017.

It seems that either RS or AC also stated that BW was at Peterson Road the night of the murders but otherwise he did not live on Peterson Road.

JW said in a newspaper interview that him and HR either lived at DR's or at his mom's house

I am confused about AW's and BW's relationship. Did BW just sleep somewhere else (probably FW's), were they separated or what was the the deal?

I thought it was said that GWIII was staying with his mother helping care for his father. I don’t know the time frame or if it is fact. My opinion only.
 
  • #927
I thought it was said that GWIII was staying with his mother helping care for his father. I don’t know the time frame or if it is fact. My opinion only.

Yah. It's just opinion unless we find something specific on it. Even what I think I read about Billy being in his old room helping care for his dad doesn't give a time frame. We know he wasn't living with Angela in the spring of 2016 and we don't know if he ever moved back other than going to AK with them.

It's my opinion that when he wasn't living with his wife he was living for free with his mother and working for her on her horse farm. With no known career and living on minimal disabilty, living with his mother makes the most sense, plus he was working for her when he was arrested and she wants him to get out of jail and be the farm caretaker.
 
  • #928
When’s the next batch of court dates don’t have time to go and read every post. Tysm!
 
  • #929
When’s the next batch of court dates don’t have time to go and read every post. Tysm!

WAGNER, EDWARD JACOB

PRE-TRIAL HEARING AND HEARING UPON THE DEFENDANT'S PRE-TRIAL
MOTIONS (was continued from December 2nd due to court conflict) IS NOW SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBER 22, AT 9:00AM

Nothing is scheduled on the Court Docket for the other Wagners at this time.
 
  • #930
WAGNER, EDWARD JACOB

PRE-TRIAL HEARING AND HEARING UPON THE DEFENDANT'S PRE-TRIAL
MOTIONS (was continued from December 2nd due to court conflict) IS NOW SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBER 22, AT 9:00AM

Nothing is scheduled on the Court Docket for the other Wagners at this time.
Wow they just keep delaying this thing. I guess it don’t really matter since the W’s are behind bars the whole time anyways
 
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Lead Investigator Scheiderer's testimony on the Wagner well search and murder kit

This is interesting because what was found in the well gave the GJ enough to indict the Wagners. This is not the last piece of evidence in the Case. There is information from the October 2019 search at FWF turned over to the Defense as well as Rita's Plea Bargain and her Proffer (to give evidence).

There was a hole in the ground in the Wagner's large red barn that was a well or a cistern. Cisterns differ from wells in that they are waterproof and collect storm water. Modern ones are ready-made with plastic, old ones often look like holes in the ground with waterproof motar, bricks, stones, etc.. They are a good backup for a dry well.

Granddaddy Trees and Old Cisterns– Part II

The Wagner's well/cistern was described as having a shallow water basin with the water being black and murky, full of sludge, and they couldn't see through it.

They searched it on 2 different days. The first time they used a metal detector and found a rifle casing - during testimony it was also referred to as a metal jacket - that encased the actual bullet. It was 7.62 by 39 for a 30 caliber and was burnt, exposed to fire/heat of some sort. It matches the ballistics found at scene #1, Chris Sr's.

At Dana's they found a 22 shell casing under the crib in HR's bedroom. At Frankie's they found a 22 long rifle cartridge in bed between them.

Other items were picked up by the metal detector that couldn't be retrieved so they enlisted the Franklin Co. Sheriff's Dive Team. There were several metal items recovered unspecified and a glass bottle. Right away they found the "smoking gun" an aluminium maglite tube fashioned into a suppressor. The serial number showed it was manufactured in January 2016.

The maglite was submitted to ATF who confirmed it was a suppressor, it met government standards. It was fired at least one time, they could see a bullet strike inside. It contained some of the items that the Wagner's purchased from February 2016 to April 2016.

Murder kit
First purchase on 2-26-16
Some items were purchased from Tactical Innovations Inc. billed to Jake.


10 Freeze plugs purchased at a local auto parts store paid for in cash, generic
maglite flashlights, nuts, 1 quantity thread adapters/protectors for Colt Numarex 1911, 2 bait nets to make brass catchers, bug detectors for counter surveillance, night scope, masks.
Bought on March 27, 2016 and consistent for use with a 30 caliber firearm are SKS magazines and SKS ammunition, a AR 15 brass catcher was also bought that day. Purchased items were for 40, 30, and 22 caliber firearms. The firearms used at the crime scenes were 40, 30 and 22 caliber.

George said he bought a Captain America mask even though they do not celebrate Halloween. It goes against their religion, at least against Jake's religion, because on multiple occasions George was heard mocking Jake for his religion.

One way BCI surveiled the Wagners was through remote surveillance. A woman is the confidential reliable source who overheard the Wagners plotting revenge. During Scheiderer's testimony Canepa referred to her as a confidential witness. Be interesting to see if she takes the stand during trial.
 
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  • #933
Something that I can’t wait to see come out during the trials is, if the accused tried to make the crime scene look like, A Manleys committed the murders or the cartel did the killing anyone except a Wagner, so what was the marijuana growing in and could it have been planted on the Rhodens property the night of the murders? Plus there was a article in the Daily that disappeared, it talked about a needle inside a pop bottle, I wonder who’s DNA was on that hypodermic needle?
Do you recall which property the bottle was found on?
 
  • #934
I don't remember this line:

"The entire story as it will unfold at trial is just amazing."

So there is something going on we don't know about, an X factor.....

X factor involving custody or something else?

Hmmm.........o_O

I take the entire story to mean the years of surveillance and how the family planned and carried out the murders more than motive, but I could be wrong and often am.
 
  • #935
Yes there must be a reason Chris was killed first as it seems to indicate in the coroner's report. But then again it looks like possible beforehand planning because it would have taken time to get Brownie used to one of them, and time to locate the many security cameras Kendra said he had all around because he was paranoid about security. They dismantled all of his security cameras and would need to be familiar with them.

...2 Cents...

Anyone know if the cams were hard wired or needed wi-fi? If wi-fi, wouldn't a cheap jammer have been sufficient to disable them? I'm not familiar with trail cams.

Also, one thing has been bugging me, well, the entire case bothers me greatly! But Little Chris was found hiding when he was shot. I just wonder about the circumstances surrounding them shooting him? Was he running for a weapon? To try to leave? For a cellphone?

I keep remembering him in the pic of him at the wheel of a sports car and his nephew in the passenger seat. They both looked so happy.
 
  • #936
Locals have gone on record stating the Rhodens Marijuana was considered premium for that location. Most likely they grew their pot using a wide spread hydroponics setup.

I haven’t been on here much because there doesn’t seem to be anything new going on in these cases. Could someone kindly fill me in on what’s going on? Have trial dates been set or just more obfuscation? The speed with which these cases are going have tested my patience. Those family’s need justice!

I'd be surprised if there was a large scale hydroponics operation. The ones that I have seen require greenhouses, not to mention, water. Since one of the trailers didn't even have running water, that makes me doubtful that this was a hydro grow op. Also, they're usually rather conspicuous. AJMHOO
 
  • #937
I'd be surprised if there was a large scale hydroponics operation. The ones that I have seen require greenhouses, not to mention, water. Since one of the trailers didn't even have running water, that makes me doubtful that this was a hydro grow op. Also, they're usually rather conspicuous. AJMHOO

Agree, it was probably a large number of small seedlings they were preparing to set out in the woods when weather warmed up. CR1 and KR had probably been growing some out in the back of their property just to sell locally. It didn't seem like a large scale operation and neither victim's finances reflected any large scale operation.
 
  • #938
Agree, it was probably a large number of small seedlings they were preparing to set out in the woods when weather warmed up. CR1 and KR had probably been growing some out in the back of their property just to sell locally. It didn't seem like a large scale operation and neither victim's finances reflected any large scale operation.
I think DeWine's comment of "commercial" grow can be subjective. FWIW, my brother/friend grow it, hydroponically with a quality set up, before it was legal here. They say SE Ohio produces, for decades, the best quality pot in the country; Lemon something or another. Anyways, they say quality, bug/fungus free, is what sells commercially. This is a good article about it in SE Ohio. Appalachian's typically grow it outdoors, in their woods, even Federal land.
Police seize $326 million in pot since 2008, but plants are harder to find
 
  • #939
Agree, it was probably a large number of small seedlings they were preparing to set out in the woods when weather warmed up. CR1 and KR had probably been growing some out in the back of their property just to sell locally. It didn't seem like a large scale operation and neither victim's finances reflected any large scale operation.

Official: Some 200 pot plants found in executed Ohio family's grow op

‘A law enforcement source has confirmed that investigators found some 200 marijuana plants in the executed Ohio family's indoor grow operation, CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton reports.’
 
  • #940
Agree, it was probably a large number of small seedlings they were preparing to set out in the woods when weather warmed up. CR1 and KR had probably been growing some out in the back of their property just to sell locally. It didn't seem like a large scale operation and neither victim's finances reflected any large scale operation.
Lot of grows around here now. You can see them all over. One thing is you can also smell them. We used to travel down the highway and smell something like a skunk. I am now told and by experience in both seeing and smelling MJ plants they do indeed stink not quite as bad as a skunk but close. I am also told there are many different strains some of which smells worse than others. A man next door to one of our rent houses had six huge plants in his yard in full view of the street with a police officer across the street from him. He took them inside when the weather started getting cold. Biden said he was going to legalize MJ on the federal level so we will all have to get some nose clips. lol

JMO
 
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