OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Sleuthinsleuther]

I am one of the few who thinks jakes will continue his smile/grin even after he is found guilty. He seems proud for what he done

 

[Johnny B Bad]

In my opinion only, I think the killing happened around the time the text was sent to Jake Wagner, JMO

 

[mom2chloe]

IMO these are the people we love among. Seriously. This is the scary reality.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

IMO these are the people we love among. Seriously. This is the scary reality.

What do you mean? Do you know the family’s of Piketon Ohio ?

 

[Betty P]

IMO these are the people we love among. Seriously. This is the scary reality.

Most of them are locked up now, hopefully for a very long time. Before the arrests, I felt badly for the people who lived down there, especially those close to the victims. They must have been terrified.

 

[almond]

We know that the mother of George's ex wife was being hacked and listened to by the Wagner's through her Facebook. Her Facebook private messages were being read by the Wagners.

I have a feeling the Wagners hacked into her account to not only spy on conversations with Hanna but to also spy on the conversations she likely had with her daughter about her grandson. Spying on the ex wife.

I think the Wagners would have kept their surveillance on her up to May 2017, because, again, they would want to monitor anything said about George's son.

I don't think the Rhodens were the Wagners first "Rodeo" I think the Wagners electronic hacking and surveillance likely started with the custody fight over George's son.

Scheiderer said there are a lot of screen shots of private conversations so it does definitely sound like they were hacking other people's Facebook accounts as well.

Of course Hanna's Facebook was very likely hacked and Dana Rhoden's Facebook comes to mind. They hacked the maternal grandmother of George's son so it seems likely they would have wanted to hack the maternal grandma of Jake's daughter.

Fact from Bond Hearing with speculation.....2 Cents

Do you recall, way back at the beginning, when we discussed a post on Dana's FB page? How it was there but then gone? When the scenes were unfolding on that horrific day, as soon as I heard a name I checked FB. I saw her post but don't remember the words exactly. Something along the lines of What're you doing up/out so late, sis". I still wonder what happened to that post.

 

[Betty P]

Do you recall, way back at the beginning, when we discussed a post on Dana's FB page? How it was there but then gone? When the scenes were unfolding on that horrific day, as soon as I heard a name I checked FB. I saw her post but don't remember the words exactly. Something along the lines of What're you doing up/out so late, sis". I still wonder what happened to that post.

That may be back in the early threads here. I recall something like that.

Could very well have been Jake's doing. He probably posted it, pretending to be one of the Manleys, then called LE with the "tip". I think he was doing a LOT of this in the hours, days and weeks after the murders. He must have called in tips right away, considering how quickly LE started harassing JM and his sister BJM. Neither of them had done anything suspicious that morning, so someone must have provided some "evidence" that made LE react the way they did.

Remember Len reporting that BCI asked them "how much money did you get for killing your sister and her family?" What story did Jake Wagner concoct?

Pike County Murders: Father says it’s like ‘tearing the scabs off us’

He told reporters the family is a target of suspicion, and he asserts investigators told him it is because of an apparent text message between his son and Jake Wagner the night of the murders

 

[Betty P]

Do you recall, way back at the beginning, when we discussed a post on Dana's FB page? How it was there but then gone? When the scenes were unfolding on that horrific day, as soon as I heard a name I checked FB. I saw her post but don't remember the words exactly. Something along the lines of What're you doing up/out so late, sis". I still wonder what happened to that post.

I recall something like that and there may be discussion of it in the early threads here. Probably Jake hacking into Dana and James' accounts to post fake info, then giving it as a "tip" to LE.

Jake Wagner must have been feeding them these tips from the very first hours, because LE jumped so quickly to question James and Bobbi Jo Manley.

Pike County Murders: Father says it’s like ‘tearing the scabs off us’

Leonard Manley believes the text message is the impetus behind investigators’ interest in his son. He said he did not know what the text message said.

The father said his son was recently picked up at his logging job in Lima by investigators and taken to Dayton for a polygraph test, before being dropped back off early in the morning. He said this is one of several such tests family members have submitted.

There was also so much talk about the Rhodens being involved in drug dealing

EXCLUSIVE: 'Ain't got no revenge in our hearts,' Pike Co. family says

In all the talk around town following the acts of violence that decimated his family, Manley sees a guilt by association forming in speculation about the case. He is fierce in his defense of his daughter, Dana Rhoden, who was 37, and wants to clear the air.

“They are trying to drag my daughter through the mud and I don’t appreciate that,’’ Manley, 64, said Monday surrounded by family members and stacks of photo albums outside the trailer he shares with his wife Judy.

“If they tell me she was mixed up in this,” he said, “I would call them a liar and escort them off.”

Who told LE that Bobbi Jo Manley actually discovered the bodies earlier than reported? Probably more BS from Jake.

"The Pike County Sheriff's wanted to ask me the same questions the BCI did,'' she said, adding that investigators seem to be fixated on when she found the bodies. They said it was earlier, Bobby Jo says. But she said, she went there around 7 a.m.

"I think they should all just leave us alone,'' she said in a moment between tears.

ETA: LE claimed that James Manley texted Jake Wagner at 2:00 am that night.

Manley's father, Leonard, said investigators visited the home Monday and told him that his son failed a polygraph test they administered a couple of weeks ago. Leonard also said investigators told him his son texted Jake Wagner at 2 a.m. on the morning of the murders. Wagner and Hanna Rhoden, who was also murdered, had a daughter together. Their daughter was with Wagner on the night of the murders. A property Wagner and his brother recently sold was searched last Friday and his grandparents' farm was searched Saturday

Rhoden victim's brother charged in connection to Piketon massacre investigation

 

[Cool Cats]

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments.aspx

Under the Ohio Indictment of Angela Wagner, the proof that the Grand Jury saw, was that she was there at the crime scene during & helping to commitment the murders of the Rhodens/Gilley family.In my opinion this woman is very capable of altering the crime scene to make it look like the Rhodens & Manleys family where criminal, We don’t know how much the BCI found during their investigation that was staged, Angela Wagner is very sneaky woman. One of the Killers though up the con of wearing the same shoes that matched the victims family members so the blame would go towards someone else so what else did they do, IMO the Killers was in on the undercurrent of the drugs that MIke DeWine spoke of during the press conference when the Wagners was arrested, JMO Yoktfjy hv

In other words, Angela Wagner was standing there or helped shoot Frankie, Hanna Rhodens and Hannah Gilley in their mobile homes while they were asleep & when they where slathered in front of those babies, they left the children laying in their parents blood, the killers deserves a fast and swift punishment, JMO

Well, if they did leave shoe prints of a victim's family member they totally failed by leaving their own behind as well.

Interesting that George's attorney said that the only thing linking George to the crimes was that he and Jake did everything together.

???

He doesn't think the shoe print(s) link him?
He doesn't think the shell casings all over his property - that match the victim shell casings - link him?

They "tampered" with the crime scenes and tried to "cover their tracks" so yes this means it was staged. The dollar bills were staged, there's no other explanation for it.

Do you recall, way back at the beginning, when we discussed a post on Dana's FB page? How it was there but then gone? When the scenes were unfolding on that horrific day, as soon as I heard a name I checked FB. I saw her post but don't remember the words exactly. Something along the lines of What're you doing up/out so late, sis". I still wonder what happened to that post.

So that is where that comes from!

It's been mentioned several times over the years that Dana saw BJM's car at Chris SR's and texted her asking what she was doing.

This assumption must have come from that facebook post. However, a facebook post is different from a phone text.

If you think someone is home you make a facebook post, if you see someone down the road you text message them and call them. Dana used facebook like BJM was at home.

We only know C-Rob was down the road at 10:30 pm not BJM. No evidence BJM was anywhere near UHR that night.

I remember Dana's last post that night was around 1:00am.

I remember reading about the "evil ones" mentioned on Dana's facebook. "Protect us from the evil ones."
Been alot of speculation on that too.


I'm not surprised the post was removed, I specifically remember reading various FAKE Hanna facebook accounts. Obviously fake, put up after April 22nd 2016.

I was rather alarmed by it.

...2 Cents...

 

[Betty P]

I remember Dana's last post that night was around 1:00am.

Yes, Jake most likely made the 2 am post to her account after poor Dana was already dead. Apparently, he left a digital footprint that will result in his conviction. ETA: Jake left many digital footprints in many of the victims' accounts.

Up until the time he was released, LE was still believing Jake's lies about the Manleys. Maybe it was something involving Jake's hacking that gave the investigators their "aha!" moment when they realized it was the Wagners who did it.

 

[almond]

Yes, Jake most likely made the 2 am post to her account after poor Dana was already dead. Apparently, he left a digital footprint that will result in his conviction. ETA: Jake left many digital footprints in many of the victims' accounts.

Up until the time he was released, LE was still believing Jake's lies about the Manleys. Maybe it was something involving Jake's hacking that gave the investigators their "aha!" moment when they realized it was the Wagners who did it.

Right! It could've been the timing on those digital footprints. Man they thought they were clever. They thought about and planned these murders for a long time, probably from the moment H left him. Sick sick sick.

 

[almond]

Well, if they did leave shoe prints of a victim's family member they totally failed by leaving their own behind as well.

Interesting that George's attorney said that the only thing linking George to the crimes was that he and Jake did everything together.

???

He doesn't think the shoe print(s) link him?
He doesn't think the shell casings all over his property - that match the victim shell casings - link him?

They "tampered" with the crime scenes and tried to "cover their tracks" so yes this means it was staged. The dollar bills were staged, there's no other explanation for it.



So that is where that comes from!

It's been mentioned several times over the years that Dana saw BJM's car at Chris SR's and texted her asking what she was doing.

This assumption must have come from that facebook post. However, a facebook post is different from a phone text.

If you think someone is home you make a facebook post, if you see someone down the road you text message them and call them. Dana used facebook like BJM was at home.

We only know C-Rob was down the road at 10:30 pm not BJM. No evidence BJM was anywhere near UHR that night.

I remember Dana's last post that night was around 1:00am.

I remember reading about the "evil ones" mentioned on Dana's facebook. "Protect us from the evil ones."
Been alot of speculation on that too.


I'm not surprised the post was removed, I specifically remember reading various FAKE Hanna facebook accounts. Obviously fake, put up after April 22nd 2016.

I was rather alarmed by it.

...2 Cents...

The evil ones for sure. Lots of plotting and planning. My belief is that Jake is the one with the personality disorder...using that term loosely... and the rest were his flying monkeys. Every sociopath needs flying monkeys to manipulate to their way of thinking.

 

[Cool Cats]

The evil ones for sure. Lots of plotting and planning. My belief is that Jake is the one with the personality disorder...using that term loosely... and the rest were his flying monkeys. Every sociopath needs flying monkeys to manipulate to their way of thinking.

Your flying monkeys analogy is spot on. Wow, nailed it @almond!

Flying monkeys (popular psychology) - Wikipedia
Flying monkeys is a term used in popular psychology, mainly in the context of narcissistic abuse, to describe people (Angela, George, Billy) who act on behalf of a narcissist (Jake) towards a third party, (Hanna) usually for an abusive purpose.

A big piece of this manipulation puzzle is why did Billy's attorney tell MSM that LE saw him as the mastermind? I don't think the attorney was making this up because he went so far as to defend Billy, saying he basically wasn't educated enough to be a mastermind. Just 7th grade education.

If you believe the anonymous Wagner relative then Jake threatened to kill Hanna multiple times. I tend to believe it. That, with Angela and Jake faking custody documents, makes me think Angela and Jake together are the masterminds.

It will be extremely interesting to find out what evidence the prosecutors have on Billy that has him involved to the point of masterminding it. We know it's his tattoo alone in evidence.

Right now he doesn't tie into the footprints or the shell casings or the custody documents, not the way the other 3 do.

Billy's attorneys can say the 22 shell casings and Maglite silencer found at Peterson Rd. were from Jake and George and even Angela, not Billy because he did not live there.

It appears so far that the only footprints found at Chris and Dana's were the left prints from Jake and George's shoes that Angela bought. No mention of Billy's prints.

Hummm.......What is the smoking gun linking Billy as mastermind?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I wonder why they didn’t kill the boyfriend of Hanna May or the baby’s daddy????

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, Jake most likely made the 2 am post to her account after poor Dana was already dead. Apparently, he left a digital footprint that will result in his conviction. ETA: Jake left many digital footprints in many of the victims' accounts.

Up until the time he was released, LE was still believing Jake's lies about the Manleys. Maybe it was something involving Jake's hacking that gave the investigators their "aha!" moment when they realized it was the Wagners who did it.

I recall something like that and there may be discussion of it in the early threads here. Probably Jake hacking into Dana and James' accounts to post fake info, then giving it as a "tip" to LE.

Jake Wagner must have been feeding them these tips from the very first hours, because LE jumped so quickly to question James and Bobbi Jo Manley.

Pike County Murders: Father says it’s like ‘tearing the scabs off us’

There was also so much talk about the Rhodens being involved in drug dealing

EXCLUSIVE: 'Ain't got no revenge in our hearts,' Pike Co. family says

Who told LE that Bobbi Jo Manley actually discovered the bodies earlier than reported? Probably more BS from Jake.

ETA: LE claimed that James Manley texted Jake Wagner at 2:00 am that night.

Rhoden victim's brother charged in connection to Piketon massacre investigation

First off, this is the 1st I've heard about the possibility of Jake posting from Dana's Facebook account that night. The Facebook post to BJM asking her what she was doing there on UHR that night.

Jake trying to bring suspicion on BJM as if she was over there on the night of the murders.

Well this can be debunked, the Wagners are shortsighted to say the least. All BJM had to do was show she was somewhere else that night, claim to have not been over there that night, to have been home instead etc...

And what happens then? Well, it gives more fuel to the fire that the Wagner's were manipulating the crime scenes.

Secondly, it makes no sense Jake was feeding LE false information the very first hours.

How would Jake know anything about it? The Wagners had to pretend to be fast asleep in their beds that morning not knowing anything until later on when they were up starting their day and someone called them.

They had to act like they had no idea what the heck was going on.

I think this is the narrative they kept until maybe Jake's first interview a month after the murders in late May of 2016 when he was probably asked who might have done it. At that point he maybe let loose on the Manleys.

BJM was asked how much money she was paid to kill her family right away in the first 24 hours, LE suspected her because she found the crime scenes not because of what Jake said. I do not think Jake talked with BCI until they initiated their first conversation with him.

The thing about BCI telling her they thought she was at Chris Sr's earlier than she said? Could be smoke and mirrors. Made up. LE can lie to the hills to get suspects to talk.

The James Manley texting Jake at 2:00am? Could be made up BS. Never underestimate BCI and what they will say to try to get confessions.

 

[Gibbo214]

That may be back in the early threads here. I recall something like that.

Could very well have been Jake's doing. He probably posted it, pretending to be one of the Manleys, then called LE with the "tip". I think he was doing a LOT of this in the hours, days and weeks after the murders. He must have called in tips right away, considering how quickly LE started harassing JM and his sister BJM. Neither of them had done anything suspicious that morning, so someone must have provided some "evidence" that made LE react the way they did.

Remember Len reporting that BCI asked them "how much money did you get for killing your sister and her family?" What story did Jake Wagner concoct?

Pike County Murders: Father says it’s like ‘tearing the scabs off us’

BBM. I think that they asked that of Bobby Jo, who found Clarence jr and Hannah dead and rescued the three year old and the baby. Who is described by her father as being like a child.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

First off, this is the 1st I've heard about the possibility of Jake posting from Dana's Facebook account that night. The Facebook post to BJM asking her what she was doing there on UHR that night.

Jake trying to bring suspicion on BJM as if she was over there on the night of the murders.

Well this can be debunked, the Wagners are shortsighted to say the least. All BJM had to do was show she was somewhere else that night, claim to have not been over there that night, to have been home instead etc...

And what happens then? Well, it gives more fuel to the fire that the Wagner's were manipulating the crime scenes.

Secondly, it makes no sense Jake was feeding LE false information the very first hours.

How would Jake know anything about it? The Wagners had to pretend to be fast asleep in their beds that morning not knowing anything until later on when they were up starting their day and someone called them.

They had to act like they had no idea what the heck was going on.

I think this is the narrative they kept until maybe Jake's first interview a month after the murders in late May of 2016 when he was probably asked who might have done it. At that point he maybe let loose on the Manleys.

BJM was asked how much money she was paid to kill her family right away in the first 24 hours, LE suspected her because she found the crime scenes not because of what Jake said. I do not think Jake talked with BCI until they initiated their first conversation with him.

The thing about BCI telling her they thought she was at Chris Sr's earlier than she said? Could be smoke and mirrors. Made up. LE can lie to the hills to get suspects to talk.

The James Manley texting Jake at 2:00am? Could be made up BS. Never underestimate BCI and what they will say to try to get confessions.

If the BCI didn’t suspect Jake Wagner right after the murders, why do you think it might be a lie, The JM texted JW at 2:30 AM, I believe the text is probably True, JMO
Which you could be right CC the BCI could have suspended Jake right from the start, and the BCI could have used JM as a smoke screen just to find out who helped him kill the Rhodens/Gilley family, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

If the BCI didn’t suspect Jake Wagner right after the murders, why do you think it might be a lie, The JM texted JW at 2:30 AM, I believe the text is probably True, JMO
Which you could be right CC the BCI could have suspended Jake right from the start, and the BCI could have used JM as a smoke screen just to find out who helped him kill the Rhodens/Gilley family, JMO

Why would James Manley text Jake at 2:00 am that night? Sounds like made up BS, just a way to put pressure on James to get him to talk. Like at his arrest, Jame's own attorney said LE was just trying to squeeze James for information.

We now know that Jame's supposed texts and arrest were just ways of trying to flush out the Wagners because we now know that from May 2017 it was just the Wagners being suspects all the way. Not the Manleys.

And that's a fact Jack!

Keep posting JBD! We need you on this thread, keeping it going! It keeps chugging along...chug........chug.............to........first trial.......!

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM. I think that they asked that of Bobby Jo, who found Clarence jr and Hannah dead and rescued the three year old and the baby. Who is described by her father as being like a child.

BJM was questioned right away that morning before anyone else because she was there and found them. We NOW know she had nothing to do with the murders and we know Pike LE was putting undo pressure on her and her brother. Treating them pretty badly, as if guilty.

So then BCI took over and did a better job. If not for Ohio BCI, forget about it. It would not be solved....

 

[almond]

Your flying monkeys analogy is spot on. Wow, nailed it @almond!

Flying monkeys (popular psychology) - Wikipedia
Flying monkeys is a term used in popular psychology, mainly in the context of narcissistic abuse, to describe people (Angela, George, Billy) who act on behalf of a narcissist (Jake) towards a third party, (Hanna) usually for an abusive purpose.

A big piece of this manipulation puzzle is why did Billy's attorney tell MSM that LE saw him as the mastermind? I don't think the attorney was making this up because he went so far as to defend Billy, saying he basically wasn't educated enough to be a mastermind. Just 7th grade education.

If you believe the anonymous Wagner relative then Jake threatened to kill Hanna multiple times. I tend to believe it. That, with Angela and Jake faking custody documents, makes me think Angela and Jake together are the masterminds.

It will be extremely interesting to find out what evidence the prosecutors have on Billy that has him involved to the point of masterminding it. We know it's his tattoo alone in evidence.

Right now he doesn't tie into the footprints or the shell casings or the custody documents, not the way the other 3 do.

Billy's attorneys can say the 22 shell casings and Maglite silencer found at Peterson Rd. were from Jake and George and even Angela, not Billy because he did not live there.

It appears so far that the only footprints found at Chris and Dana's were the left prints from Jake and George's shoes that Angela bought. No mention of Billy's prints.

Hummm.......What is the smoking gun linking Billy as mastermind?

BBM
A big piece of this manipulation puzzle is why did Billy's attorney tell MSM that LE saw him as the mastermind?
Good question...Maybe I have my sociopath's mixed up. lol