OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Caylee Advocate]

OOPS....Deleted due to being O/T.

 

[OhioBlues]

They found wadding at the autopsies? I never heard that.

I think they got rid of their guns with the silencers attached to them, there is no reason to take time to disconnect them. Then if BCI had found a gun it would still have the silencer attached, that is why George thought if they have the gun they have the silencer. Or they did take time to detach the silencers but hid them with the guns so if BCI found the gun they got the silencer too.

In the well was a maglite flashlight, no mention of a gun, that had been converted into a silencer that they said was shot at least once because it had a distinct unique firing pin impression inside it that only comes from the German made Glock. They think a 40 Glock was used that night and George bought one and is a Glock man.

That ballistic finding gave them the last piece of evidence they needed. I think there would be firing pin impressions on the casings and if that's true then they match the impression inside the silencer, very damning evidence.

They had burned the silencer, I think it was slightly melted, but not enough to destroy the serial number which showed it was made in January 2016. This is significant because the Wagners can't say that previous owners from long ago threw it in the well. The Wagners lived there in January 2016.

...2 Cents..

BBM.


#1 - The 'silencer' would NOT have had a firing pin impression on it.

#2 - The 'firing pin' hits the back end of a cartridge

#3 - The 'firing pin impression' is left on the back end of the cartridge/casing.

#4 - JW supposedly owns the gun that has the 'VERY RARE' firing pin impression. BCI said they had never seen it before. It's on a Walther gun. Walther is made in Germany.

No one has EVER said that the RARE firing pin impression is on ANY silencer.

#5 - GW supposedly was the Glock man. The Glock was not made in Germany. Wikipedia lists Austria.

I know this 'burned silencer' subject was addressed at least once in the past couple of weeks.

But we are moving closer to the trial every day and we need this board to reflect accurate information especially now.

Hopefully, firearms people will explain this in more detail and correct me wherever I am wrong.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

BBM.


#1 - The 'silencer' would NOT have had a firing pin impression on it.

#2 - The 'firing pin' hits the back end of a cartridge

#3 - The 'firing pin impression' is left on the back end of the cartridge/casing.

#4 - JW supposedly owns the gun that has the 'VERY RARE' firing pin impression. BCI said they had never seen it before. It's on a Walther gun. Walther is made in Germany.

No one has EVER said that the RARE firing pin impression is on ANY silencer.

#5 - GW supposedly was the Glock man. The Glock was not made in Germany. Wikipedia lists Austria.

I know this 'burned silencer' subject was addressed at least once in the past couple of weeks.

But we are moving closer to the trial every day and we need this board to reflect accurate information especially now.

Hopefully, firearms people will explain this in more detail and correct me wherever I am wrong.

It's difficult to provide accurate information on something illegal like a homemade suppressor. I'm hopeful the suppressor forensics will come out at trial.

I've shot a lot of weapons, but I've never required a silencer, homemade or otherwise. You are correct that a firing pin can leave a distinct impression. I also think the silencer could potentially leave its own distinct impression. AJMOO

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM.


#1 - The 'silencer' would NOT have had a firing pin impression on it.

#2 - The 'firing pin' hits the back end of a cartridge

#3 - The 'firing pin impression' is left on the back end of the cartridge/casing.

#4 - JW supposedly owns the gun that has the 'VERY RARE' firing pin impression. BCI said they had never seen it before. It's on a Walther gun. Walther is made in Germany.

No one has EVER said that the RARE firing pin impression is on ANY silencer.

#5 - GW supposedly was the Glock man. The Glock was not made in Germany. Wikipedia lists Austria.

I know this 'burned silencer' subject was addressed at least once in the past couple of weeks.

But we are moving closer to the trial every day and we need this board to reflect accurate information especially now.

Hopefully, firearms people will explain this in more detail and correct me wherever I am wrong.

Thanks for the reminder - heads up - on being more accurate. I was relying on my memory too much instead of re-checking the facts. No problem.

I probably rehash old information too much and I'll wait for new information to come up.

If I do discuss ballistics I will use Scheiderer's direct quotes and link to the time in his testimony when he said them.

I deeply care about the Rhodens getting justice through the trials - hard to believe it's been 5 years......

Only the FACTS JACK...!

 

[Cool Cats]

Billy - New Motion Filed

03/05/2021 (MOTION # 48)
DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE OTHER ACTS EVIDENCE

02/22/2021
NOTICE OF INTENT TO USE OTHER ACTS EVIDENCE

I wonder what past behavior Billy's attorneys are trying to keep away from the Jury? Fight with Chris? Past brushes with the law?

Billy faces 4 Counts of Aggravated Burglary, Counts 10 - 13, and he has 2 criminal records of receiving stolen property according to this article:

Father charged in Pike County murders had past brushes with law
In 2001 Billy Wagner pleaded no contest to two counts of receiving stolen property and a Judge found him guilty of the two counts.

In 2012 Billy and Angela were convicted of receiving stolen property in Ross County.

 

[Puzzles8]

@OhioBlues , you bring up a good point about accurately citing case facts. This case is so unusual in that the links to many of the original articles and videos no longer work. More and more factual information is starting to come to light during court dates.

As we approach future court dates we should put our heads together and think about a better system to help us accurately cite and reference case information revealed.

I have seen in other Websleuth cases users have been able to convert audio from video to a text format. It even divides the text and references by the video's time stamp.

Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Anyway, a quick google certainly makes it look possible. Here is a sample of quick results.
How to convert the voice in a YouTube video to text - Quora

Has anyone ever done this before?

Just throwing some food for thought out there so we have time to think about it.

Ideas anyone?

Also, does anyone have a handy link to the full video from George iv's bail hearing?

Thanks,

 

[Berrybell]

BBM.


#1 - The 'silencer' would NOT have had a firing pin impression on it.

#2 - The 'firing pin' hits the back end of a cartridge

#3 - The 'firing pin impression' is left on the back end of the cartridge/casing.

#4 - JW supposedly owns the gun that has the 'VERY RARE' firing pin impression. BCI said they had never seen it before. It's on a Walther gun. Walther is made in Germany.

No one has EVER said that the RARE firing pin impression is on ANY silencer.

#5 - GW supposedly was the Glock man. The Glock was not made in Germany. Wikipedia lists Austria.

I know this 'burned silencer' subject was addressed at least once in the past couple of weeks.

But we are moving closer to the trial every day and we need this board to reflect accurate information especially now.

Hopefully, firearms people will explain this in more detail and correct me wherever I am wrong.

Thank you OhioBlues you are correct, the firing pin leaves a distinct mark on the casing, Silencers do not leave marks, however, they may blow out the packing depending what has been used. Homemade silencers/mufflers are more likely to leave exhaust from the packing. If fluff is left at the crime scene it can be matched to the silencer. My understanding is the firing pin leaves a unique mark on the casing same as fingerprint.

 

[Cool Cats]

@OhioBlues , you bring up a good point about accurately citing case facts. This case is so unusual in that the links to many of the original articles and videos no longer work. More and more factual information is starting to come to light during court dates.

As we approach future court dates we should put our heads together and think about a better system to help us accurately cite and reference case information revealed.

I have seen in other Websleuth cases users have been able to convert audio from video to a text format. It even divides the text and references by the video's time stamp.

Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Anyway, a quick google certainly makes it look possible. Here is a sample of quick results.
How to convert the voice in a YouTube video to text - Quora

Has anyone ever done this before?

Just throwing some food for thought out there so we have time to think about it.

Ideas anyone?

Also, does anyone have a handy link to the full video from George iv's bail hearing?

Thanks,

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

2nd video down is the Bond Hearing. A very good version.

If you pause the video and look closely when Scheiderer is looking over the evidence photos you can see the casing in Frankie's bed, the bloody footprints at Chris SR's, Angela Wagner in Walmart and the floor plan of Dana's house. If anyone wants I will post the exact times in the video.

Also, if anyone wants I will post the exact time in the video where Scheiderer tells Canepa that the firing pin left an impression inside the maglite suppressor found in the well and is unique to the Walther Colt, matching the other evidence.

I believe this ballistics link is what led to their arrest, the final piece of the giant puzzle. This is my theory only, Jake's trial will show the true facts of his 23 Count Indictment.

I apologize to everyone that my past posts about the silencer were confusing and not accurate so I will be more careful to post the links and more careful to double-check my information source. Thanks everyone. I won't bring the subject up again unless someone is specifically interested.

Trial is in 5 months so I agree I need to be more careful of what I say about the Case. I'm going to stick to facts and new information.

 

[Cool Cats]

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

2nd video down is the Bond Hearing. A very good version.

If you pause the video and look closely when Scheiderer is looking over the evidence photos you can see the casing in Frankie's bed, the bloody footprints at Chris SR's, Angela Wagner in Walmart and the floor plan of Dana's house. If anyone wants I will post the exact times in the video.

Also, if anyone wants I will post the exact time in the video where Scheiderer tells Canepa that the firing pin left an impression inside the maglite suppressor found in the well and is unique to the Walther Colt, matching the other evidence.

I believe this ballistics link is what led to their arrest, the final piece of the giant puzzle. This is my theory only, Jake's trial will show the true facts of his 23 Count Indictment.

I apologize to everyone that my past posts about the silencer were confusing and not accurate so I will be more careful to post the links and more careful to double-check my information source. Thanks everyone. I won't bring the subject up again unless someone is specifically interested.

Trial is in 5 months so I agree I need to be more careful of what I say about the Case. I'm going to stick to facts and new information.

Sorry I accidentally worded it wrong, it wasn't the firing pin leaving an impression, the match was to the supplies Jake bought.

Sorry, too late to edit.

@OhioBlues will you delete my post? I accidentally said the firing pin impression was the ballistics match and as you stated before this is not possible. Brain freeze, sorry Ohio. It is the supplies Jake bought that matched up to what was inside the suppressor. I was trying to be accurate but made this mistake again, it won't happen again.

 

[almond]

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

2nd video down is the Bond Hearing. A very good version.

If you pause the video and look closely when Scheiderer is looking over the evidence photos you can see the casing in Frankie's bed, the bloody footprints at Chris SR's, Angela Wagner in Walmart and the floor plan of Dana's house. If anyone wants I will post the exact times in the video.

Also, if anyone wants I will post the exact time in the video where Scheiderer tells Canepa that the firing pin left an impression inside the maglite suppressor found in the well and is unique to the Walther Colt, matching the other evidence.

I believe this ballistics link is what led to their arrest, the final piece of the giant puzzle. This is my theory only, Jake's trial will show the true facts of his 23 Count Indictment.

I apologize to everyone that my past posts about the silencer were confusing and not accurate so I will be more careful to post the links and more careful to double-check my information source. Thanks everyone. I won't bring the subject up again unless someone is specifically interested.

Trial is in 5 months so I agree I need to be more careful of what I say about the Case. I'm going to stick to facts and new information.

Edit by me.
Thanks for posting the video of George's hearing! I just rewatched the entire video/hearing and it was a great refresher.
I keep going back in my mind to the site that shall not be named and the fact that this "rare" gun was mentioned there. Obviously? someone knew more about the case than the rest of us. Makes me wonder if there's anyone on this site who also has inside information. Just thinking out loud. I hope that's allowed.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Edit by me.
Thanks for posting the video of George's hearing! I just rewatched the entire video/hearing and it was a great refresher.
I keep going back in my mind to the site that shall not be named and the fact that this "rare" gun was mentioned there. Obviously? someone knew more about the case than the rest of us. Makes me wonder if there's anyone on this site who also has inside information. Just thinking out loud. I hope that's allowed.

I would say YES, most definitely there are some here who have inside info.. MOO

 

[almond]

I would say YES, most definitely there are some here who have inside info.. MOO

I sure wish they would get verified.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I sure wish they would get verified.

I don't see that happening. JMO

 

[Dudly]

This is interesting. We will see if the Ws attorneys follow this plan...
What Characteristics Make a Good Criminal Defense Attorney?

 

[Betty P]

I don't see that happening. JMO

It's not unusual here at Websleuths for defense attorneys, people who work for them, families of the accused, etc. to become involved in relevant threads, especially leading up to trials.

There have been cases where full arguments repeated in threads here at Websleuths have been repeated word-for-word by defense attorneys during trials. Murder suspects have even posted here, arguing on their own behalf. Sometimes people will do whatever they can to influence public opinion (and potential jurors) that killers are innocent.

JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I sure hope that the prosecution attorneys have more evidence than what we heard at George Washington Wagner iv trial, AND for the information that CC accidentally got wrong about the suppresser having bullet marking not firing pin marks was a honest mistake, if it wasn’t for CC We the Sluthers on this site would not have half the information that We have now Please Keep Posting CoolCat (JB)

 

[Betty P]

I sure hope that the prosecution attorneys have more evidence than what we heard at George Washington Wagner iv trial, AND for the information that CC accidentally got wrong about the suppresser having bullet marking not firing pin marks was a honest mistake, if it wasn’t for CC We the Sluthers on this site would not have half the information that We have now Please Keep Posting CoolCat (JB)

They do. Most of it is listed in the discovery documents. Of all 4 Wagners, George has the least amount of evidence against him. Jake and Angela have the most.

That's probably why the prosecution has scheduled Jake's trial first - so they have the opportunity to lay out all the incriminating evidence at the start. It may also be why the defense arranged for that evidence hearing for George - because he has the least amount.

 

[Puzzles8]

I sure wish they would get verified.

While it would be very helpful to us, I don't blame them. IMO, the Wagners and their associates are dangerous people and they are still out there. Even though the W4 are behind bars right now, there is no guarantee they will be convicted.

A lot of lives may still be in danger.

JMO, MOO and complete speculation.

 

[Cool Cats]

They do. Most of it is listed in the discovery documents. Of all 4 Wagners, George has the least amount of evidence against him. Jake and Angela have the most.

That's probably why the prosecution has scheduled Jake's trial first - so they have the opportunity to lay out all the incriminating evidence at the start. It may also be why the defense arranged for that evidence hearing for George - because he has the least amount.

With all due respect, why do you think George has less evidence against him than Billy?

Just from what I have seen so far it seems that Jake has the most (his rewards card was used) then Angela then George then Billy.

When more information comes out we will get a clearer picture of Billy's involvement but as of right now I see him with the least amount of evidence as compared to George, Angela and Jake. Especially in light of the Bond Hearing.

Without Links This Post Is Just My Opinion Only - Not Facts Of The Case

 

[Puzzles8]

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

2nd video down is the Bond Hearing. A very good version.

If you pause the video and look closely when Scheiderer is looking over the evidence photos you can see the casing in Frankie's bed, the bloody footprints at Chris SR's, Angela Wagner in Walmart and the floor plan of Dana's house. If anyone wants I will post the exact times in the video.

Also, if anyone wants I will post the exact time in the video where Scheiderer tells Canepa that the firing pin left an impression inside the maglite suppressor found in the well and is unique to the Walther Colt, matching the other evidence.

I believe this ballistics link is what led to their arrest, the final piece of the giant puzzle. This is my theory only, Jake's trial will show the true facts of his 23 Count Indictment.

I apologize to everyone that my past posts about the silencer were confusing and not accurate so I will be more careful to post the links and more careful to double-check my information source. Thanks everyone. I won't bring the subject up again unless someone is specifically interested.

Trial is in 5 months so I agree I need to be more careful of what I say about the Case. I'm going to stick to facts and new information.

All of us need to be careful! This is a good reminder.

What brings us all here is our desire to see justice served and our support of the Rhoden and Gilley family's.

Let the trials begin!!