OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Betty P]

With all due respect, why do you think George has less evidence against him than Billy?

Just from what I have seen so far it seems that Jake has the most, then Angela, then George then Billy. Jake's rewards card was used for murder kit purchases.

Of course when more information comes out we will get a clearer picture of Billy's involvement but as of right now I see him with the least amount of evidence as compared to George, Angela and Jake. Especially in light of the Bond Hearing.

Just My Opinion Only - Not Facts

IIRC, George is the only one for whom they don't have DNA evidence. It was stated during one of his hearings, when his attorney asked prosecutor AC.

ETA: I've been re-watching the video of Scheiderer's testimony and haven't gotten to any part where there is evidence photos shown, though have had many interruptions while trying to watch. If you have the time stamps, it would be appreciated. I'm assuming it appears on the screen behind and above Scheiderer. TIA

 

[Cool Cats]

All of us need to be careful! This is a good reminder.

What brings us all here is our desire to see justice served and our support of the Rhoden and Gilley family's.

Let the trials begin!!

Yes, well said.

 

[Puzzles8]

With all due respect, why do you think George has less evidence against him than Billy?

Just from what I have seen so far it seems that Jake has the most (his rewards card was used) then Angela then George then Billy.

When more information comes out we will get a clearer picture of Billy's involvement but as of right now I see him with the least amount of evidence as compared to George, Angela and Jake. Especially in light of the Bond Hearing.

Without Links This Post Is Just My Opinion Only - Not Facts Of The Case

I think I have that perception because of George iv's attorney's actions.

He was the only one that insisted on requesting bail after his initial arrest, as well as recently requesting bail again.

For some reason, iv seems to think he is less culpable for the murders. I also think he has seriously rethought the W4's original strategy of sticking together.

IMO, he is no longer willing to face the Death Penalty for Jake.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

It's not unusual here at Websleuths for defense attorneys, people who work for them, families of the accused, etc. to become involved in relevant threads, especially leading up to trials.

There have been cases where full arguments repeated in threads here at Websleuths have been repeated word-for-word by defense attorneys during trials. Murder suspects have even posted here, arguing on their own behalf. Sometimes people will do whatever they can to influence public opinion (and potential jurors) that killers are innocent.

JMO[/QUOTE

Thanks for the input. In the 12 years I have been a member of WS I too have gleaned just as much about the workings of alleged "insiders"

The one that comes to mind the quickest for me was the CA case.

 

[Betty P]

I came here just as that was winding down. Were there "insiders" posting in that one?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Not sure what happened with my reply inserting itself within a post but oh well, it's readable I suppose.

Yes, attorneys as well as others allegedly participated in the CA threads. We even had fellow posters (namely KCL) reporting from the courtroom. Most nights she gave a detailed report. Sorry for being "sort of " O/T.

 

[OhioBlues]

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

2nd video down is the Bond Hearing. A very good version.

If you pause the video and look closely when Scheiderer is looking over the evidence photos you can see the casing in Frankie's bed, the bloody footprints at Chris SR's, Angela Wagner in Walmart and the floor plan of Dana's house. If anyone wants I will post the exact times in the video.

Also, if anyone wants I will post the exact time in the video where Scheiderer tells Canepa that the firing pin left an impression inside the maglite suppressor found in the well and is unique to the Walther Colt, matching the other evidence.

I believe this ballistics link is what led to their arrest, the final piece of the giant puzzle. This is my theory only, Jake's trial will show the true facts of his 23 Count Indictment.

I apologize to everyone that my past posts about the silencer were confusing and not accurate so I will be more careful to post the links and more careful to double-check my information source. Thanks everyone. I won't bring the subject up again unless someone is specifically interested.

Trial is in 5 months so I agree I need to be more careful of what I say about the Case. I'm going to stick to facts and new information.

CC,

Thanks and Thanks for all that you do.

Can you give me the approximate time that RS tells AC that the firing pin left an impression on the suppressor?

I can listen to the hearing this weekend if it's too much trouble.

 

[Cool Cats]

IIRC, George is the only one for whom they don't have DNA evidence. It was stated during one of his hearings, when his attorney asked prosecutor AC.

ETA: I've been re-watching the video of Scheiderer's testimony and haven't gotten to any part where there is evidence photos shown, though have had many interruptions while trying to watch. If you have the time stamps, it would be appreciated. I'm assuming it appears on the screen behind and above Scheiderer. TIA

Oh yah. No DNA for George. But we do not know if there is or isn't DNA for the others.

Happy to do it - get the time stamps.

In trying to be more careful with my posts I need to clarify that I got this from Scheiderer holding the papers, with photos, in front of him. The photos were facing him and not on a screen.

I paused the video on them.

The photos I mentioned are only what I think I saw, only how the photos looked to me and from what was being described. (Not facts, just opinion)

You might have a different opinion of the photos you see him holding and I only mentioned the photos in case anyone wants to try to see the photos for themselves.

I was shocked when I saw what looks to me like Angela pushing a cart in Walmart and a bloody shoe print and a casing on the bed.

 

[Betty P]

Oh yah. No DNA for George. But we do not know if there is or isn't DNA for the others.

Happy to do it - get the time stamps.

In trying to be more careful with my posts I need to clarify that I got this from Scheiderer holding the papers, with photos, in front of him. The photos were facing him and not on a screen.

I paused the video on them.

The photos I mentioned are only what I think I saw, only how the photos looked to me and from what was being described. (Not facts, just opinion)

You might have a different opinion of the photos you see him holding and I only mentioned the photos in case anyone wants to try to see the photos for themselves.

I was shocked when I saw what looks to me like Angela pushing a cart in Walmart and a bloody shoe print and a casing on the bed.

Ok, thanks. Is this in the part of the hearing when AC is questioning him?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Why do I keep getting a error pop up every time I try to copy a photo to post?

 

[Niner]

Like just now - it posted my post twice....

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Those initials have me curious.

Sorry OB, that would be the Caylee Anthony case. In case you meant KCL. that would be my idol KatyCoolLady.

 

[Cool Cats]

CC,

Thanks and Thanks for all that you do.

Can you give me the approximate time that RS tells AC that the firing pin left an impression on the suppressor?

I can listen to the hearing this weekend if it's too much trouble.

Anything to do with Websleuths is not too much trouble for me. Glad to find information.

Thanks for your compliment, appreciate it alot, and I want you to know that I super appreciate you posting those Wagner Motions in the Timeline. I use them. And I think it's cool to have you here as a mod because you have been following this Case for a long time.

You understand about everything, getting justice for the families and how much this means, how darn hard it is to wait so long for the hearings and the trials....I know it breaks all of our hearts when we see Miss Geneva.....All of us on this thread understand this.

I posted how BCI knew the suppressor was fired. I thought it was because BCI could see the unique mark on the suppressor from the firing pin - what they see on the shell casings - but I was wrong. There is no firing pin impression on the suppressor.

Instead of going back to check Scheiderer's testimony, I relied on my memory and got the facts wrong unfortunately...

You must not have seen that I apologized to you on the thread about this and made sure to tell you that I will be more careful posting about the Case in future.

The truth matters for the families and Cool Cats does not want to post misleading information!

I think it's the right thing to do now - to post as clearly as possible what Scheiderer really said about the suppressor - and how BCI knew it had been fired at least once.

I will post this separately below because this post is getting a bit long.

 

[Cool Cats]

Ok, thanks. Is this in the part of the hearing when AC is questioning him?

Yes she gives him the papers and does question him.

I will have more time tomorrow to post about this, been really busy today and I'm really tired right now.

I will be very clear about the times and the photos and everything tomorrow...... Take Care...

Angela in Walmart, bloody footprints, casing in bed, Dana's floor plan but harder to see as the papers are shuffled. You have to pause on the right place on the photos but the images are there....

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Hey CC, stop beating yourself up over an honest mistake. You apologized so that should be enough... misremembering is something we all are guilty of, not on purpose IMO.

Here ya' go girl, now smile and suck it up!

 

[Ann99]

Cool Cats, no worries, we have all made mistakes at one time or another. Your sincere dedication to this case and the Rhoden and Gilley families is obvious and very much appreciated. Many Thanks for all you contribute.

 

[Cool Cats]

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

1:45 into the video - George's Bond Hearing - Suppressor recovered from well (cistern)

Scheiderer
"...They recovered a what appeared to be a maglite tube - what I believe it looked like to me - fashioned into a suppressor.

Canepa
Ok and that was actually a maglite correct?

Scheiderer
Correct.

Canepa
And those are made of aluminum is that correct?

Scheiderer
Yes.

Canepa
Ok and they also have serial numbers correct?

Scheiderer
Yes.

Canepa
Maglites do. So when you recovered that from the well were you able to make
contact with Maglite (company) to determine if they could tell you when that was manufactured?

Scheiderer
Yes we did it was manufactured after January 2016.

Canepa
Ok.

Scheiderer
Based on the serial number.

Canepa
Ok so it was manufactured in January of 2016.

Scheiderer
Correct.

Canepa
Based on the serial number.

Scheiderer
Correct.

Canepa
Ok and did you ultimately submit that to ATF?

Scheiderer
Yes we did.

- Canepa hands him the ATF report -

Canepa
Can you tell us if you recognize that?

Scheiderer
This is an ATF report from their lab, I'm just clarifying, from their lab.

Canepa
And were they able to render an opinion about that item you recovered from the well?

Scheiderer
Yah they determined that it was a suppressor as defined by Federal Statute and that it had been fired at least one time because they could see a bullet strike inside the suppressor.

Canepa
Ok and specifically did that suppressor contain the parts that you saw the Wagners
purchasing on-line between the months of February and to April 2016?

Scheiderer
Yes some of them were yes.

Canepa
And specifically for instance there's freeze plugs going down through the middle of that is that correct?

Scheiderer
Yes.

Canepa
Those are to help -

Scheiderer
Baffles baffle the sound.

Canepa
Suppress the sound and those were present in that item as well?

Scheiderer
Yes.

Canepa
Ok and I believe you saw them purchasing 10 of those at a local auto parts store correct?

Scheiderer
Yes correct.

Canepa
With cash.

Scheiderer
Yes.

Canepa
Did you also observe them purchasing other items - what you reference as the murder kit - but other items in the months leading up to these homicides?

Scheiderer
Yes we did.

Canepa
And what were those?

Scheiderer
They made purchases for a SKS magazine, SKS ammo. When I say SKS I mean 7.62 by 39 which is consistent with the 30 caliber. They purchased masks, I believe there was a bug detector that was purchased in that time - counter surveillance device.

Canepa
And the ammo and the magazines specifically were purchased March 27, 2016
correct?

Scheiderer
Yes.

 

[Cool Cats]

Hey CC, stop beating yourself up over an honest mistake. You apologized so that should be enough... misremembering is something we all are guilty of, not on purpose IMO.

Cool Cats, no worries, we have all made mistakes at one time or another. Your sincere dedication to this case and the Rhoden and Gilley families is obvious and very much appreciated. Many Thanks for all you contribute.

Here ya' go girl, now smile and suck it up!

Very funny Caylee. Thanks Ann.

I'm back down to business as usual.

 

[NotHammerToed]

Scheiderer
Yah they determined that it was a suppressor as defined by Federal Statute and that it had been fired at least one time because they could see a bullet strike inside the suppressor

you know who was shot only one time? Also, how it’s been speculated that a silencer must have been used on the weapon that killed KR.

 

[Antimony]

you know who was shot only one time? Also, how it’s been speculated that a silencer must have been used on the weapon that killed KR.

Maybe the maglite tube caps were not drilled properly and when the bullet struck the cap it ruined the silencer? A suppressor is a suppressor even if it has not been used. Having an unregistered item like that is against federal law. Actually using it breaks more laws. Been that way for decades.