GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #68

[Covert Operative]

IMO identifying shoe prints is a far cry from putting those shoes on a certain persons foot. MOO <modsnip>

They cannot physically put them on a certain person's foot. They have JW saying G4 had them on at the scene is the only way they can link them to him specifically I think. JW is a liar as they all are. Would a juror choose to believe JW about some things and not about others. I dunno. There is strong circumstantial evidence about the shoes when you put it with everything else. G4 lawyers have not yet denied he had the shoes on in anything I have seen.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

They cannot physically put them on a certain person's foot. They have JW saying he had them on at the scene is the only way they can link them to him specifically I think. JW is a liar as they all are. So would a juror choose to believe JW about some things and not about others. I dunno. There is strong circumstantial evidence about the shoes when you put it with everything else. G4 lawyers have not yet denied he had the shoes on in anything I have seen.

Well who should we trust? They are all lying liars who lie.

 

[Covert Operative]

Well who should we trust? They are all lying liars who lie.

That is the question for sure. It might be hard to sell JW to a juror for the defense or the state considering the things he has said. I think he hurts and helps both sides in ways in regard to G4.

 

[Cool Cats]

Angie being on camera purchasing the shoes with the receipt will back up her testimony in court:

Motion #76

States Response To #GeorgeWagnerIV Motion For Hearing To Determine The Admissibility of Bloody Shoe Prints Left at The Crime Scenes. | PDF

Noteworthy as well, and supportive of the fact that Bodziak's report and conclusions are both reliable and relevant is the fact that we now have the admissions on the part of two of Defendant's co-defendants in this case that confirm the findings in Bodziak's report.

Bodziak's report was rendered in August 2018, provided to to Defendant in March 2019, and confirmed by Defendant's co-defendants in April and September of 2021.

Bodziak rendered his opinion almost three years prior to receiving this confirmation of his findings, as both Jake Wagner and Angela Wagner admit that Angela Wagner did in fact purchase the exact shoes that Bodziak said left the prints at one of the crime scenes.

Both JW and AW confirmed that the shoes were purchased for the sole purpose of JW and the Defendant wearing them on the night of the homicides, and JW confirms that both he and the Defendant were in the crime scene where their shoe prints were left behind in the dried blood of one of the victims. Clearly Bodziak's conclusions are not "junk science."

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I don't think anyone is disputing anything about the purchase of shoes, OR that prints were left by those very shoes at the crime scene. Again, IMO they have a liar or two saying who was wearing them. I daggone sure don't claim to know it all, just MOO.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Hearing today can be found in this article:

Judge allows shoe impression expert from O.J. trial to testify at Wagner trial

Thanks CC.

 

[ohioexpat63]

I believe we are all preaching to the same choir. These folks are guilty and no amount of gamesmanship will alter the outcome. The Ws aren't OJ and Pike County Ohio is a far cry from Hollywood. If the shoes doesn't fit you must acquit won't fly with all the other evidence provided by JW. All My Opinion based on living over 50 years in the immediate area.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I believe we are all preaching to the same choir. These folks are guilty and no amount of gamesmanship will alter the outcome. The Ws aren't OJ and Pike County Ohio is a far cry from Hollywood. If the shoes doesn't fit you must acquit won't fly with all the other evidence provided by JW. All My Opinion based on living over 50 years in the immediate area.

Agree, and a jury here won't be an OJ one. The remaining 2 W's don't have a bats chance in hell of walking out a free man. MOO. Life in these parts is WAY different than Hollywood

 

[Niner]

Hearing today can be found in this article:

Judge allows shoe impression expert from O.J. trial to testify at Wagner trial

per the article above -

The trial for the Wagner patriarch, Billy Wagner, is scheduled to begin this October.

I did not know BW had a trial date set already - anyone know "what" date in October?

 

[ohioexpat63]

Agree, and a jury here won't be an OJ one. The remaining 2 W's don't have a bats chance in hell of walking out a free man. MOO. Life in these parts is WAY different than Hollywood

And I'm forever grateful for our way of life and sense of justice!

 

[Niner]

So - next hearing for GW4 - 5/2/22-Motion hearing? This is what I have for then.

To be heard: Defendant's Motion #65, entitled "Motion to compel the production of "other Acts" evidence pursuant to Evid. R. 404(B), Defendant's Motion #77, entitled "Defendant's renewed motion to compel the production of "Other Acts" evidence pursuant to Evid. R. 404(B) & Defendant's Motion #82, entitled "Defendant's objection & Motion in Limine to prohibit the introduction of other acts evidence at trial.
The State of Ohio may serve & file a response to Defendant's Motion #82 on or before 4/15/22.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

And I'm forever grateful for our way of life and sense of justice!

I am too. Laid back and not so fast paced. Southern Ohio Rocks for the most part.

 

[Covert Operative]

per the article above -

The trial for the Wagner patriarch, Billy Wagner, is scheduled to begin this October.

I did not know BW had a trial date set already - anyone know "what" date in October?

I am not sure the date has actually been set yet.
This is what is in court notes:
-Defendant's counsel further indicated that there was work to be done by the defense concerning mitigation, and that the defense would need until approximately August 31, 2022, in order to prepare for hearing on some of the Defendant's motions and until approximately October 31, 2022, in order to prepare for trial.-
It's hard to tell if they mean a trial will begin on or before Oct 31 or they will set a future date for a trial by Oct 31. I can see it being taken both ways. The way it's going right now I would be surprised if they have a trial by the end of Oct.

 

[Niner]

I am not sure the date has actually been set yet.
This what is in court notes:
-Defendant's counsel further indicated that there was work to be done by the defense concerning mitigation, and that the defense would need until approximately August 31, 2022, in order to prepare for hearing on some of the Defendant's motions and until approximately October 31, 2022, in order to prepare for trial.-
It's hard to tell if they mean a trial will begin on or before Oct 31 or they will set a future date for a trial by Oct 31. I can see it being taken both ways. The way it's going right now I would be surprised if they have a trial by the end of Oct.

Thank you for that! Much appreciated. Must have missed those dates.

 

[Niner]

Okay - I take that back - just read my notes!

Counsel for the Defendant suggested that Daubert hearings on Defendant's Motions #s 42 & 43 could be scheduled in coordination with similar hearings that may be scheduled in the case of co-defendant, GW4 & further suggested a separate motion hearing on other Defendant's motions, be scheduled no later than 8/31/22 & that a jury trial be scheduled to commence no later than 10/31/22.

 

[Covert Operative]

Okay - I take that back - just read my notes!

Counsel for the Defendant suggested that Daubert hearings on Defendant's Motions #s 42 & 43 could be scheduled in coordination with similar hearings that may be scheduled in the case of co-defendant, GW4 & further suggested a separate motion hearing on other Defendant's motions, be scheduled no later than 8/31/22 & that a jury trial be scheduled to commence no later than 10/31/22.

Yes, I do not think an actual date is set but the way it was said in court I could see that it would be taken that a trial would be Oct 31 and reported that way in articles. That may end up being the date. If they are gonna meet an Oct trial date they better get on the ball.

 

[Niner]

Yes, I do not think an actual date is set but the way it was said in court I could see that it would be taken that a trial would be Oct 31 and reported that way in articles. That may end up being the date. If they are gonna meet an Oct trial date they better get on the ball.

Okay - I believe you are correct - the article just took it the wrong way. But hopefully he will have his trial soon...

 

[Cool Cats]

Hi 9er!

Billy's defense said in a Hearing February 1st, 2022 that they want their trial date no later than October 31st 2022, then Deering asked if they might be ready sooner and they said no more than 30 days sooner because they need time to see how it goes trying to sit a jury, possible change of venue.

This was before George's trial was set to August 29th, 2022. I think Billy's trial will need to be moved farther out now. George's trial might take 6 weeks.

Their trials 2 months apart are too close.

George:

August 29, 2022 at 9 o'clock - beginning of trial, including general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence and so forth. The jury trial is scheduled for 30 days.

Billy:

Counsel for the Defendant suggested that Daubert hearings on Defendant's Motions Nos. 42 and 43 could be scheduled in coordination with similar hearings that may be scheduled in the case of co-defendant, George Washington Wagner IV, and further suggested a separate motion hearing on other Defendant's motions, be scheduled no later than August 31, 2022,

and that a jury trial be scheduled to commence no later than October 31, 2022. Defendant's counsel further indicated that there was work to be done by the defense concerning mitigation, and that the defense would need until approximately August 31, 2022, in order to prepare for hearing on some of the Defendant's motions

and until approximately October 31, 2022, in order to prepare for trial.

 

[Cool Cats]

So I gotta ask the question, why wasn't Billy's defense team at the Daubert Hearing?

I assume they decided to let the judge rule on it in regards to George and not contest it.

So I assume Mr. Bodziak will also testify at Billy's trial since the judge ruled he can do so at George's trial.

I am hoping George's trial gives the answer to the biggest mystery of the case.

Can you guess what that is?

 

[altojack]

My guess is did they go straight home for breakfast? That's a joke actually, unusual for me this late.

Serious guess is did GW kill anyone?