GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #68

[Fat Old Man]

It has been established that AW was home that night with the 2 children.

I think we can narrow this down to Billy being the shooter.

Why?

Because from everything we have gleaned it appears that Jake shot and killed 5 people and in my opinion those people are:

Dana, Hanna, Frankie, Little Chris and Hannah Gilley.

Then according to the Motion filed Jake shot a 6th victim but his gunshot did not cause death. This leads me to believe that this victim is Chris Senior.

Chris Sr. was hit with 9 gunshot wounds which were not all head shots, thus, not all life threatening. Like his arm shot.

This leaves George and Billy as to being Kenny's shooter.

Jake's proffer indicates that George "shot nobody" so if true we are down to Billy Wagner.

So the possibility is high that Billy Wagner shot Kenny.

And he can be sent to @#___ after he is found guilty. @#____ him.

Opinion

I do not believe anything this professional liars say. I still believe that SW was picked up during the murders. And AW was with them. I am sure, their proffer is not accurate. And I think it will come apart, and the death penalty will be part of the sentence. All my opinion.
BW and GW are in trouble relying on JW and AW ability to keep their story straight.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I did not say he said there was no money, or that he just said that off the tops of his head. I do not think it was enough money to make it look like: Money = you owed us $ and you didn't pay. Thank you for the suggestion but I do not need Crime 101.
I do not feel that "some" dollar bills seem to make it related to drugs. If they wanted to make it look like drug/money related they probably would have left money at other homes also is my thinking, not just his.

What about if KR was killed to get the MJ.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

What about if KR was killed to get the MJ.

Could have been JBB, but not my opinion. Some might be surprised if the truth ever comes to light.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I do not believe anything this professional liars say. I still believe that SW was picked up during the murders. And AW was with them. I am sure, their proffer is not accurate. And I think it will come apart, and the death penalty will be part of the sentence. All my opinion.
BW and GW are in trouble relying on JW and AW ability to keep their story straight.

Good post FOM, I also think SW was not with the W's until just before these murders. If they are relying on JW and AW to tell the "truth" they're screwed. MOO. In ways I hope they are caught lying... back to DP option.

 

[Covert Operative]

What about if KR was killed to get the MJ.

He could have been. I think there may be several reasons he was killed.

 

[Dudly]

He could have been. I think there may be several reasons he was killed.

I think one is the fact that he would have known who did this…

 

[Tena]

I do not believe anything this professional liars say. I still believe that SW was picked up during the murders. And AW was with them. I am sure, their proffer is not accurate. And I think it will come apart, and the death penalty will be part of the sentence. All my opinion.
BW and GW are in trouble relying on JW and AW ability to keep their story straight.

Thank you for this..I too believe the proffers are fabricated, planned stories to save a few hides. They know they have been caught, all of them. I also believe AW was there, tending to babies while the horrific acts were being done. If I remember correctly, KR's daughter had been with HR earlier that day. Hopefully she can shed some light as to where SW was that day. BW and GW are only holding on to an ounce of prayer, with these senseless motions, that they get mistrials. My prayers are that justice is served on these animals soon. MOO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Thank you for this..I too believe the proffers are fabricated, planned stories to save a few hides. They know they have been caught, all of them. I also believe AW was there, tending to babies while the horrific acts were being done. If I remember correctly, KR's daughter had been with HR earlier that day. Hopefully she can shed some light as to where SW was that day. BW and GW are only holding on to an ounce of prayer, with these senseless motions, that they get mistrials. My prayers are that justice is served on these animals soon. MOO

Good post. I too believe those proffers are a bunch of BS lies made up by the 2 ringleaders of these crimes.

I also think it could come back to bite them in the end. I still think AW was WAY more involved than what is being said. I can't wait for the slip-ups to begin. MOO.

 

[ohioexpat63]

JMO,

I think AW was too controlling to sit on the sidelines as the 3 stooges made their rounds. If JWs and AWs version of the truth isn't verifiable by solid evidence then I'd question anything coming out of their mouths. Both copped self-serving pleas, for different reasons. It wasn't because they were remorseful, IMO. It appears to me JW was closely aligned with his mother and 4 was closely aligned with 3.

Ballistics tells only part of the story. You still need to place the weapon in the hands of the individual committing the murder(s). JMO

We may never know who murdered KR. If you believe everything told by JW and AW then the process of elimination points toward 3 as the murderer. I just dont believe JW and AW are truthful people. Their entire lives have been built on lies, manipulations and just one big fraud after another. IMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

DS is not even going to think off the top of his head that dollar bills were strewn over KR's feet - that he makes up - so I believe him. Thus, it is not something you just "think" of.

The dollar bills represent the Wagners trying to make the murders look drug related.

Money = you owed us $ and you didn't pay. Crime 101.

S0rry but I think the reason Kenny was killed is because he saw the W's vehicle they purchased for this crime at or near one of the victims houses. More importantly the W's saw him. They couldn't risk Kenny running to Reader and describing a vehicle he saw in the vicinity that night that could be traced back to them. The leave no witness mentality. The W's had to be nervous and amped up with what they were doing. When you are doing something you know is wrong and going to get you the DP if caught, you get paranoid over every little thing. Whether Kenny recognized anyone in the vehicle or not did not matter to them. They just couldn't take the risk he might have. It is my belief that paranoia and endless "what if's" set in and the conclusion was that Kenny had to go.

Being that we know Billy and company were thieves I think they searched his wallet and pants for money and dropped some on him in their hurry to get out before someone saw them.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Good post. I too believe those proffers are a bunch of BS lies made up by the 2 ringleaders of these crimes.

I also think it could come back to bite them in the end. I still think AW was WAY more involved than what is being said. I can't wait for the slip-ups to begin. MOO.

I know she was. JMO

 

[ohioexpat63]

JMO

I don't believe 4 was just on the scene as moral support and to clean up brass. I believe 4 is so close to 3 that he shot , perhaps murdered, one of the victims. I believe he would want to impress 3. I don't believe he would want younger bro to upstage him in front of pop's. These proffers, though legal, doesn't mean they are truthful.

It is only an opinion based on my opinion about family dynamics and the need to belong and impress.

As far as KR, I can't even begin to formulate an opinion. Was it a murder of opportunity, as some theorize? Was it about the dope? Did he observe something he shouldn't have observed? There were 3 weapons used for all the murders. So, I think we can eliminate anyone outside of the Ws, right? What happened to the MJ, in the outlying barn? Why did it take so long for others to go check on KR? All murders were so senseless but why KR? I want that one question answered. Freaking cowards the whole lot!!!!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

JMO

I don't believe 4 was just on the scene as moral support and to clean up brass. I believe 4 is so close to 3 that he shot , perhaps murdered, one of the victims. I believe he would want to impress 3. I don't believe he would want younger bro to upstage him in front of pop's. These proffers, though legal, doesn't mean they are truthful.

It is only an opinion based on my opinion about family dynamics and the need to belong and impress.

As far as KR, I can't even begin to formulate an opinion. Was it a murder of opportunity, as some theorize? Was it about the dope? Did he observe something he shouldn't have observed? There were 3 weapons used for all the murders. So, I think we can eliminate anyone outside of the Ws, right? What happened to the MJ, in the outlying barn? Why did it take so long for others to go check on KR? All murders were so senseless but why KR? I want that one question answered. Freaking cowards the whole lot!!!!

BBM
I don't believe 4 was just on the scene as moral support and to clean up brass.

George killed Gary. Better think about the autopsy reports that said Gary was the only one killed with a larger caliber gun, aka, George's 40 caliber. That is going to come out at his trial, if he goes to trial that is. I personally think he will take a plea for LWOP. He may have lost his stomach for it all after shooting Gary point blank in the head but he killed him while Jake and Billy took care of Chris. They almost lost the whole ball game at Chris's when he saw them coming. RSD nailed that fact back in 2016 right after the murders. RSD said they came close to being overpowered by Chris and Gary. It took all three to kill him and Gary who were both strong men.

( No link. Too tired to look it up but it is in the media timeline for those who want to review the autopsy reports thanks to Betty P who put in a tremendous amount of work on that timeline. Thank you Betty. Maybe CC will help me out once again. CC I love you. Sincere appreciation for all the information you help us out with. You are the best.)

So JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I know she was. JMO

Good to read your thoughts my friend. Hopefully things are looking up for you health wise. Take care of you. My offer still stands as to if you need me.

I sure hope AW gets her just dues.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I found the answer to a lingering question that I have had since AW pled guilty on several aggravated burglary counts, etal.

The question was how could she have been guilty if she allegedly stayed home. The answer is in this article... she was basically guilty of burglary via conspiring with the other 3.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/how-are-people-charged-as-an-accomplice-35892

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I found the answer to a lingering question that I have had since AW pled guilty on several aggravated burglary counts, etal.

The question was how could she have been guilty if she allegedly stayed home. The answer is in this article... she was basically guilty of burglary via conspiring with the other 3.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/how-are-people-charged-as-an-accomplice-35892

Do you think the Wagners was at the murder scene more than one time that night also I think that each and everyone of the victims was awake or woken, right at the time of the murders, just so the Wagners could show the victims who killed them, JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

So why was GW4 moved from Ross County Jail????

 

[altojack]

So why was GW4 moved from Ross County Jail????

It was posted a few days ago that one or two others at Ross are due to appear in Court. Don't know why, but it would seem that GW4 was moved to safety perhaps.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Do you think the Wagners was at the murder scene more than one time that night also I think that each and everyone of the victims was awake or woken, right at the time of the murders, just so the Wagners could show the victims who killed them, JMO

JMO but I don't think those cowardly beasts spent much time at any of the scenes. The most time had to have been spent at CR's.

It's just too bad Chris wasn't armed at the time they entered, but when a pack of hyena's gets the jump on a lone prey.. it's normally GAME OVER.

IMO,G4 was more of a "semi" clean up person who lagged behind but still botched a cleanup.

I sure DO think all of the victims were made to look into the eyes of their killers. MY OPINIONS.

 

[Covert Operative]

So why was GW4 moved from Ross County Jail????

I believe he had an issue with one or more inmates. opinion