GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #68

[Covert Operative]

The vehicle that the Wagners purchased for the murders was a key part of their getting away with it, someone said it a few days ago on this post the same thing, I think that Kenny dropped Gary off at Big Chris house that night and saw the Wagners murder vehicle setting in the driveway, right after they got through killing Big Chris, and that was why Kenny had to be killed, if you think about it Brandon Rhoden was asleep in a small camper 500ft from Kenth Rhoden camper also there was another Rhoden Brother that lived near KR, so why not kill them, (Because KR saw the killers vehicle the night of the murders) JMO

Supposedly the murders started right around or a little before midnight on the 21st. Do you think KR went home and went to bed if/after seeing a vehicle at CRsr that late, maybe did not think anything about it? I tend to think KR was the first one killed.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Supposedly the murders started right around or a little before midnight on the 21st. Do you think KR went home and went to bed if/after seeing a vehicle at CRsr that late, maybe did not think anything about it? I tend to think KR was the first one killed.

I just going off the autopsy, which indicated that Chris Sr, was more decomposed, but I think Gary was killed when he walked through Big Chris door, also Big Chris had people dropping by a lot of the times during a day or evening and if KR did see a vehicle setting in the driveway and never saw the Wagners driving it before he would never think twice about killers inside Big Chris home, but he would have made himself a target that night, <modsnip -reference to rumors not permitted>, so I guess will have to wait until court starts to find out the truth. JMO

 

[Dudly]

I just going off the autopsy, which indicated that Chris Sr, was more decomposed, but I think Gary was killed when he walked through Big Chris door, also Big Chris had people dropping by a lot of the times during a day or evening and if KR did see a vehicle setting in the driveway and never saw the Wagners driving it before he would never think twice about killers inside Big Chris home, but he would have made himself a target that night, <modsnip -reference to rumors not permitted>, so I guess will have to wait until court starts to find out the truth. JMO

The one thing known about that night for certain is no one but the Ws know what happened. They have been proven to be an unreliable source. So, we may never know the true story of that night… My opinion only….

 

[Johnny B Bad]

The one thing known about that night for certain is no one but the Ws know what happened. They have been proven to be an unreliable source. So, we may never know the true story of that night… My opinion only….

Your right Dudly, but I think the Wagners was on the gossip sight that was shut down every night spreading rumors, I really think the BCI got a lot of information from the Wagners during that time JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

KR imo was a big part of their plan an absolute necessity. remember it all relied on hiding the custody battle, making the rhodens look like cartel members/enemies, and leaving not one soul alive who knew the truth or extent of the custody nattle or the fight between crsr. and most importantly they could not be interrupted or let the rhodens have any warning or escape. they spent months tracking movements and selecting the most opportune time. kr was a huge threat to all of this. he would have either saved all their lives, or placed blame on the wagners resulting in either their arrest or(preferably) retribution.

kr was closest to crsr even if he wasnt at the fight he certainly knew the situation. imagine if bci knew that crsr had beaten billy and taken his weapon so soon before murders? they would have immediately been number 1 suspects. kr had a grow operation and that allowed the wagners to imo place plants if plain view for when cops came. <modsnip -no link for statement of fact>. the wagners were terrified of crsr unless he was alseep or taken by surprise. they would not have left it to chance that kr would not notice. we still dont know how entry was gained, the order of murders, or the victims last moments. but we do know the insane indifference and joy the wagners took in ending 8 lives. so it was a nightmare.

Interesting post.

It never occurred to me before that the Wagners could have put the marijuana plants out where DS saw them. I think he said he saw them in a barn or shed.

A way to help make it look like a drug related hit.

Also, you mention hiding the custody battle and that also could have something to do with targeting Kenny. Because Kenny had zero to do with custody it helps deflect from the custody motive. Why kill Kenny if it was only about custody?

I hope the truth about Kenny comes out at trial this year. I can't believe I can say this year.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Supposedly the murders started right around or a little before midnight on the 21st. Do you think KR went home and went to bed if/after seeing a vehicle at CRsr that late, maybe did not think anything about it? I tend to think KR was the first one killed.

Why would he think anything about it? Chris worked on cars all the time. Plus he sold a little weed. Yes I think Kenny saw the W's vehicle and no I don't think he thought anything about it and yes I think he went on home and went to bed.

JMO

ETA: Chris also had a teenage son with friends and midnight is not that late, especially for teenagers.

JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

Why would he think anything about it? Chris worked on cars all the time. Plus he sold a little weed. Yes I think Kenny saw the W's vehicle and no I don't think he thought anything about it and yes I think he went on home and went to bed.

JMO

ETA: Chris also had a teenage son with friends and midnight is not that late, especially for teenagers.

JMO

I do not think the W's were out and about at CRsr/scenes before later in the night. Maybe KR was out and about that late but it seems doubtful to me. Not late for CRsr but late for KR is my thinking.
I think there may be several reasons he was killed but seeing their vehicle is not one of those that I think is the case.

 

[Covert Operative]

I just going off the autopsy, which indicated that Chris Sr, was more decomposed, but I think Gary was killed when he walked through Big Chris door, also Big Chris had people dropping by a lot of the times during a day or evening and if KR did see a vehicle setting in the driveway and never saw the Wagners driving it before he would never think twice about killers inside Big Chris home, but he would have made himself a target that night, <modsnip -reference to rumors not permitted>, so I guess will have to wait until court starts to find out the truth. JMO

Why do you think KR was only shot once?

 

[Covert Operative]

Could have been JBB, but not my opinion. Some might be surprised if the truth ever comes to light.

I may be surprised. I have a list of reasons of why that I think he may have been killed, if one of those is not it then I will be one of the surprised ones.

 

[Piffcat]

Interesting post.

It never occurred to me before that the Wagners could have put the marijuana plants out where DS saw them. I think he said he saw them in a barn or shed.

A way to help make it look like a drug related hit.

Also, you mention hiding the custody battle and that also could have something to do with targeting Kenny. Because Kenny had zero to do with custody it helps deflect from the custody motive. Why kill Kenny if it was only about custody?

I hope the truth about Kenny comes out at trial this year. I can't believe I can say this year.

i think somebody like angela whos whole life revolved around control and inserting herself into other peoples lives understood how to manipulate a situation. she knew which buttons to push. i firmly believe and always will that she tipped the press about the cannabis grows. i just cant see a police or first responder leaking that info to the press considering how bad these killings were. its always been so upsetting to me how quickly the public and press turned against the rhodens after that came out. some of those articles and interviews were absolutely brutal. hillbilly justice cartel it had all the salacious details that sells papers. then add in the fighting, which im not defending, but those are very emotional issues. even after the wagners were arrested many people stilll didnt believe custody was the motive. it took jakes confession to quiet those misgivings. this was a falling out between jake and hanna but also billy and crsr. imo little sofia became a proxy war between the wagners and the rhodens after this fallout. think about how the wagners have treated others in similar situations like g4s wife and child. she had to leave everything behind because she had no resources no allies within the family structure. hanna however had a dad and family who would do anything for her. this must have enraged angela and her minions. hanna leaving jake was an afront to angela in her sick mind. and now it was all about winning. it was just as much about denying hanna and her family sofia as it was obtaining her for the wagner family. there was jealousy there too. crsr had made his own way in the world and supported everyone he loved financially. he shielded his daughter from the wagners obsessive cruelty, going so far as to purchase a new property in case the wagners exposed the cannabis grows. this was about hate and that hate left a long trail on cyber evidence. it went so far that the wagners hatched a plan to blame the manleys, with the shoes and the messages and the interviews. something changed though after james manley was arrested. the wagners slipped up in some way. discrediting the rhodens and manleys was immensely successful . there was even a press conference where reader publicly insulted the victims families for "withholding information" but in reality it was the wagners pulling strings and obfuscating facts that had bci turned around in the beginning. thankfully it didnt last. kenny would have cleared all of this up immediately. just because other family members lived close by doesnt mean they had the same access to information as kr.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I just going off the autopsy, which indicated that Chris Sr, was more decomposed, but I think Gary was killed when he walked through Big Chris door, also Big Chris had people dropping by a lot of the times during a day or evening and if KR did see a vehicle setting in the driveway and never saw the Wagners driving it before he would never think twice about killers inside Big Chris home, but he would have made himself a target that night, <modsnip -reference to rumors not permitted>, so I guess will have to wait until court starts to find out the truth. JMO

BBM
also Big Chris had people dropping by a lot of the times during a day or evening

That fits in with Chris and Gary being the only two bodies to be moved to a back bedroom. An attempt to conceal those two bodies told LE they were the first two killed I think. The W's couldn't risk someone dropping by unannounced before they finished their killing spree and seeing bodies lying around. That would have put a major kink in their plan if Chris and Gary were discovered too early and LE called out. My opinion only. Why else make the attempt to conceal those two but none of the others? Because Chris had people dropping by all the time, bringing cars for him to work on, buying weed, and don't forget his teenage son who probably had friends in and out all the time. My son did anyway and I assume teenagers are all alike everywhere. I think George killed Gary when things got out of hand at Chris's and it took Billy and Jake both to kill Chris. No link, my opinion and thoughts only.

I don't buy that Kenny was the only one to know about the fight or custody battle given that Kendra was very close to Hanna and was with her earlier that day, fishing. Dana was close enough to her SIL April that she talked to her on SM that night after she got home from work to tell her she was home. Tony had talked to Chris on the phone about a faucet around 11 PM according to his interview with a reporter (Those kids are all we have left I think was the article). I think they were all a very close family who spoke or saw each other every day. Lenny was close enough to his ex SIL that he did work for Chris when he needed him to. And don't forget BJM who went to Chris's every day and even cleaned house for Kenny. No, that custody battle and fight between Chris and Billy was no secret in the M/R families or in the Gilly family given that Jake was claiming baby KR was his. You can bet your boots Hannah and Frankie told Charlie all about that.

That Kenny getting revenge thing doesn't even make sense given there were plenty more R's left alive to get revenge. Some sleeping not 500 feet away.

The only thing that makes sense is Kenny saw the vehicle the W's bought for the killing spree that night at or near one of the murder scenes, probably dropping Gary off. He probably didn't recognize who's vehicle it was but that didn't matter to the W's. No way they were going to let Kenny live to tell LE about any vehicle he saw that could be traced back to the W's.

JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

I just going off the autopsy, which indicated that Chris Sr, was more decomposed, but I think Gary was killed when he walked through Big Chris door, also Big Chris had people dropping by a lot of the times during a day or evening and if KR did see a vehicle setting in the driveway and never saw the Wagners driving it before he would never think twice about killers inside Big Chris home, but he would have made himself a target that night, <modsnip -reference to rumors not permitted>, so I guess will have to wait until court starts to find out the truth. JMO

Do you think there is any other reason that CRsr would have been more decomposed than the others, for it to be noted in the preliminary report.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I do not think the W's were out and about at CRsr/scenes before later in the night. Maybe KR was out and about that late but it seems doubtful to me. Not late for CRsr but late for KR is my thinking.
I think there may be several reasons he was killed but seeing their vehicle is not one of those that I think is the case.

BBM
Not late for CRsr but late for KR is my thinking.

What is your reasoning that it was not too late for Chris to be out but too late for Kenny if I may ask? There is no way we can know Kenny's habits.

Maybe he liked to drive around late at night. He was photographed sitting on a motorcycle so I assume he owned one. Maybe he liked to take bike rides on mild nights. Lots of people do that. Nothing like a nice late night ride feeling the wind in your face for relaxing you before you go to bed.

JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

BBM
Not late for CRsr but late for KR is my thinking.

What is your reasoning that it was not too late for Chris to be out but too late for Kenny if I may ask? There is no way we can know Kenny's habits.

Maybe he liked to drive around late at night. He was photographed sitting on a motorcycle so I assume he owned one. Maybe he liked to take bike rides on mild nights. Lots of people do that. Nothing like a nice late night ride feeling the wind in your face for relaxing you before you go to bed.

JMO

My reasoning does not have a link so I won't be posting about it. From following the case it does not seem like he probably would have been. Exactly right, we do not know his habits either way so one opinion is as relative as another.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Why do you think KR was only shot once?

Most of the time once is all it takes if they shoot you in the head. That's also another reason I do not think Kenny was on the list that night initially but was added later. Given the vicious attacks on the other victims, Kenny's is odd in that it wasn't overkill. No hatred for him but he saw something he could have told and got them caught so he had to go.

JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Interesting post.

It never occurred to me before that the Wagners could have put the marijuana plants out where DS saw them. I think he said he saw them in a barn or shed.

A way to help make it look like a drug related hit.

Also, you mention hiding the custody battle and that also could have something to do with targeting Kenny. Because Kenny had zero to do with custody it helps deflect from the custody motive. Why kill Kenny if it was only about custody?

I hope the truth about Kenny comes out at trial this year. I can't believe I can say this year.

CC it was like 3 day before the grow operation came out to the public, if remember and it was a woman reporter that asked Mike DeWine the question about it, that goes to show us that Angela Wagner was stirring the pot on putting blame on others, JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Why do you think KR was only shot once?

MOO, was that I really thought Angela Wagner killed KR, because the Rhodens had a big fight with the Wagners 2 weeks prior to the murders and I wouldn’t think KR would let any of the male Wagners that close to him, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

CC it was like 3 day before the grow operation came out to the public, if remember and it was a woman reporter that asked Mike DeWine the question about it, that goes to show us that Angela Wagner was stirring the pot on putting blame on others, JMO

Remember the hazmat suits? Or they were white "clean suits" and the truck with what was speculated as carrying a safe?

BCI found the grow operation that first day.

I believe that BCI got in touch with the Wagners that first or second day and would not have told the Wagners about the marijuana.

I believe it is very likely that the Wagners made sure to let BCI know about it though. Made sure to steer the investigation towards drugs and the Manley's for starters.

They gave BCI names of Chris's business associates. Billy had leads up his a** that he wanted to give to BCI. Heck, even his mom had suspects in mind. Other suspects are even mentioned in Billy's Bond Motion though not by name.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Remember the hazmat suits? Or they were white "clean suits" and the truck with what was speculated as carrying a safe?

BCI found the grow operation that first day.

I believe that BCI got in touch with the Wagners that first or second day and would not have told the Wagners about the marijuana.

I believe it is very likely that the Wagners made sure to let BCI know about it though. Made sure to steer the investigation towards drugs and the Manley's for starters.

They gave BCI names of Chris's business associates. Billy had leads up his a** that he wanted to give to BCI. Heck, even his mom had suspects in mind. Other suspects are even mentioned in Billy's Bond Motion though not by name.

ISIS if I remember correctly.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

ISIS if I remember correctly.

JMO

03/26/2021 MOTION NO. 68 DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO DEPOSE CRITICAL WITNESS PURSUANT TO CRIM. R. 15 FILED

At the hearing on October 25, 2021, the Defendant withdrew the following motions........."DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO DEPOSE CRITICAL WITNESS PURSUANT TO CRIM. R. 15

"The anticipated testimony points strongly to the defenfant's (George) actual innocence and the guilt of another person or group of people. Counsel can provide details to the court under seal so as not to cause this witness any undue harassment before the deposition is conducted."

The descriptions in the Motion sound exactly like FW and mention that her husband also was a witness before he passed.