Charges can be refiled.I disagree. FW was in fact charged with obstruction and perjury in connection with this case:
Grandmothers charged with lying after family is arrested in massacre
Attorney General Mike DeWine has given scant detail about why the victims were killed, other than saying the custody of a young child played a role.www.mercurynews.com
Later she had her charges dropped without prejudice. That is an important distinction between with and without prejudice. In legal terminology without prejudice means the case is not over, and charges can be refiled.
ITA, FW still might be recharged for Grand Jury perjury. I do believe FW is guilty of that.
I remember several rumors of people speculating why it had to happen at a certain time but I do not remember seeing anything in articles stating that.If he only went along to protect Jake, I guess that might imply he would kill or at least shoot his Dad. Why not try to stop it before it got to that point. I keep wanting to know why it was said (sorry no link) that this all had to happen in this time frame. Does anyone recall this? IIRC, they needed it to happen before such and such a date. GRRR I hate when articles are scrubbed.
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I had felt like the fb fight that had gone on after the birth and was public had really pissed JW/The W's off and embarrassed JW. They then decided they were going to do it very soon.I have often wondered if it was related to this:
Canepa said Jake Wagner pressured Rhoden to put his name on her second child's birth certificate, even though he was not the father.
Prosecutors lay out possible new evidence in Pike County massacre trial
Prosecutors in the Pike County massacre case laid out new evidence to paint the Wagner family as a "criminal enterprise" during a hearing on what could be allowed at trial Monday, including that the family allegedly took a vote to commit the murders and then set up a fake drug deal as an ambush.
Either way, in my opinion, I believe it was as close to the date she came home from the hospital as possible. She did bring another child into this world. That child WAS NOT Jake Wagners, and I feel the Wagner ego and mind was not willing to accept that. I feel HR made it clear (in her own way) that she was not property, and no one would own her. Her body, and the fruits it would be used for were not Jake or Angela’s to control.
He would want to kill JW to make it look like he was the only killer, it would take suspicion off of them. It would make perfect sense to me if it happened to be true, which is doubtful. Would still not excuse G4 participation.
| 08/15/2022 | AGREED ENTRY GRANTING MOTION TO CONTINUE HEARING ON MOTIONS AND JURY TRIAL -- THE HEARINGS ON MOTIONS PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 9, 2022 AT 1:00PM AND THE JURY TRIAL PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED TO COMMENCE ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 3, 2022 AT 8:30AM EACH SHALL BERESCHEDULED TO A NEW DATE AND TIME TO BE DETERMINED BY THE COURT |
I agree CO, the public written fight between HR, FR and HG was a huge slap in JWs face. HR made very clear that she knew who the father of the baby was, and so did FR and HG. No one in her family doubted who the father was and it WASN"T JW!!! I do not believe HR continued to have an intimate relationship with JW after she broke it off, IMO he lied about there being a chance he was the baby's father.
Yes, there was a lot of information in that. It told who the father was and who the acting father was going to be and it was not JW. Might have pushed some buttons in higher gear and the W's decided they would not be waiting any longer. There may be some other reason they acted that particular night, I hope and think we will learn why they claim they did it that night.
If George really didn't have any intent and was roped into this for fear of being harmed or for fear that Jake would be harmed by Billy, then George should have been the one to come forward with information and get a deal. That would have been more believable then because daddy and mommy are in jail so no reason to fear them anymore. Why not come forward and say, I went along with this because I was afraid, but I didn't want anyone to die. I think the defense strategy will blow up on them as you said!
I can actually see this narrative being true. We know that George and Jake were homeschooled and basically kept in this cult like family setting even after adulthood. Seems these brothers were manipulated and used a lot of their childhood. I recall property being in their names and I might be remembering wrong so I'll go look, but I feel like their names were on things because of shady dealings with the parents or grandparents. I just see a family that was intent on family above anything and everything else. Often these types of dynamics include intimidation to comply with the way things are. I'd be really interested in George's exs input and Jakes wife's (ex wife) input on how things went day to day. This is no excuse for what happened, but there are people so evil that they manipulate and intimidate their own children to get what they want. Maybe it was an actual fear of being killed based on past acts Billy did. Maybe just seeing and knowing what that parents is capable of and feeling like they wouldn't hesitate to kill a child to keep that unit in tact just seems possible. Might not have been a statement where Billy said I will kill you. I mean if Angela came up with this plan and Billy and her worked out some details and then tells the boys, imagine knowing your parents are serious about this and would kill this family to get control of the child involved. Not saying Jake is 100% truthful because I don't believe that. I do think it's possible both boys had a real fear of their parents.
I don't feel HR had relationship with JW after she left and it was killing him that she had a child by someone else! Mad at HG because she fixed them up and messed everything up for him and HR!
| 08/16/2022 | SUBPOENAS ISSUED TO BRETT HATFIELD; SHAUN WATSON; LT ADAM BALL; DONALD STONE; LUKE RHODEN; TIM DICKERSON; JAMES MANLEY; APRIL MANLEY; DR. KESSLER, CORONER; EMMA MORGAN; CHIEF DEPUTY CORONER, KAREN LOOMAN, DO.O; BILLY MORGAN; BOBBY JO MANLEY; DR. CATHERINE FARINET; SA ED HUNTER; SA SHANE HANSHAW; SA GEORGE STALEY; SA TODD FORTNER; LT BRYAN WHITE; SAS JOSHUA DURST; KENNETH DICK, INV; SHERIFF TRACY EVANS Attorney: JUNK, PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, ROBERT |
Will Charlie Reader get a subpoena?? or has it been issued already?? TIA
I have not see one yet, but it seems a good chance he may.
I have often wondered if it was related to this:
Canepa said Jake Wagner pressured Rhoden to put his name on her second child's birth certificate, even though he was not the father.
Prosecutors lay out possible new evidence in Pike County massacre trial
Prosecutors in the Pike County massacre case laid out new evidence to paint the Wagner family as a "criminal enterprise" during a hearing on what could be allowed at trial Monday, including that the family allegedly took a vote to commit the murders and then set up a fake drug deal as an ambush.
Either way, in my opinion, I believe it was as close to the date she came home from the hospital as possible. She did bring another child into this world. That child WAS NOT Jake Wagners, and I feel the Wagner ego and mind was not willing to accept that. I feel HR made it clear (in her own way) that she was not property, and no one would own her. Her body, and the fruits it would be used for were not Jake or Angela’s to control.
