OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #69

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I recently watched a program on ID channel that is similar to this case. It is called American Monster Season 8 Episode 5 "It Was All of Them". Same motive, same # of family members involved.

 

[Covert Operative]

07/22/2022	MOTION NO. 99 MOTION TO BAR IMPROPER PROSECUTORIAL ARGUMENT FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
07/22/2022	MOTION NO. 100 MOTION TO REMOVE POTENTIAL JURORS WHO KNEW THE VICTIM OR HIS/HER FAMILY FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
07/22/2022	MOTION NO. 101 MOTION TO REQUIRE DISCLOSURE OF FAVORABLE INFORMATION CONCERNING PROSPECTIVE JURORS FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
07/22/2022	MOTION NO. 102 MOTION TO DISCLOSE RELATIONSHIPS, ASSOCIATIONS, AND TIES BETWEEN THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE AND PROSPECTIVE JURORS FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

07/22/2022

MOTION NO. 103 MOTION FOR 12 PEREMPTORY CHALLENGES FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

 

[Ann99]

07/22/2022	MOTION NO. 99 MOTION TO BAR IMPROPER PROSECUTORIAL ARGUMENT FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
07/22/2022	MOTION NO. 100 MOTION TO REMOVE POTENTIAL JURORS WHO KNEW THE VICTIM OR HIS/HER FAMILY FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
07/22/2022	MOTION NO. 101 MOTION TO REQUIRE DISCLOSURE OF FAVORABLE INFORMATION CONCERNING PROSPECTIVE JURORS FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
07/22/2022	MOTION NO. 102 MOTION TO DISCLOSE RELATIONSHIPS, ASSOCIATIONS, AND TIES BETWEEN THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE AND PROSPECTIVE JURORS FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

07/22/2022

MOTION NO. 103 MOTION FOR 12 PEREMPTORY CHALLENGES FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

MO
Can’t wait! Arguments, Prosecution responses for these motions should be interesting.
I imagine many definitions ( example: knew victims, family, relationships, associations, favorable information,) will be asked for and responses will be very revealing. I still think it will be difficult to seat a jury in Pike County.
MO

 

[LMDlong]

I looked a while back and from what I could tell it has been about a year or more since they filed any new motion. Kind of reminiscent of AW. Maybe waiting to see what happens with G4 trial.

That’s what I was thinking “Maybe waiting to see what happens with G4 trial“ .

 

[Cool Cats]

That’s what I was thinking “Maybe waiting to see what happens with G4 trial“ .

So what happened with Billy's Daubert hearings when George had his Daubert hearing? We didn't hear anything from George's attorneys during George's Daubert hearing. In George's Daubert hearing there was only the shoe print expert not ballistics expert. For some reason George's attorneys decided not to question the shoe print expert clearly available to them. Perhaps they will still call in a Daubert ballistics expert?

I don't see how Billy can get his motions hearings by August 31st when George's trial will be going on.

And I don't see how he can get a trial by October 31st when George's trial could take a month, then jury deliberations, then seating Billy's jury etc....

So it looks like Billy is on the back burner for now.

Billy Docket:

Counsel for the Defendant suggested that Daubert hearings on Defendant's Motions Nos. 42 and 43

Defendant's Motion No. 42, entitled DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL DAUBERT HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF BALLISTICS EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS

Defendant's Motion No. 43, entitled DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL DAUBERT HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF SHOEPRINT EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS


could be scheduled in coordination with similar hearings that may be scheduled in the case of co-defendant, George Washington Wagner IV,

and further suggested a separate motion hearing on other Defendant's motions, be scheduled no later than August 31, 2022,

and that a jury trial be scheduled to commence no later than October 31, 2022.

Defendant's counsel further indicated that there was work to be done by the defense concerning mitigation, and that the defense would need until approximately August 31, 2022, in order to prepare for hearing on some of the Defendant's motions and until approximately October 31, 2022, in order to prepare for trial.

Counsel for the State of Ohio agreed with scheduling Daubert hearings in coordination with any other similar hearings that may be held in the case of co-defendant George Washington Wagner IV, and with the scheduling of a hearing on other defense motions and with scheduling the commencement of trial within the approximate times suggested by the Defendant's counsel.

 

[Covert Operative]

Does this mean the defense is asking to bring in whole new prospective jury panel?

G4

07/26/2022

MOTION NO. 104 MOTION TO STRIKE VENIRE AND ENFORCE MANDATORY JUROR ATTENDANCE FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

 

[Ann99]

Does this mean the defense is asking to bring in whole new prospective jury panel?

G4

07/26/2022

MOTION NO. 104 MOTION TO STRIKE VENIRE AND ENFORCE MANDATORY JUROR ATTENDANCE FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

MO
I believe you are correct. I don’t think Defense found enough jurors to their liking.
Also, it seems as if there may not be enough potential jurors actually showing up to choose from. Wonder why.

I’m not sure about this, but it is logical to me. MO

I don’t think they will be able to seat a jury in Pike County.

 

[Covert Operative]

MO
I believe you are correct. I don’t think Defense found enough jurors to their liking.
Also, it seems as if there may not be enough potential jurors actually showing up to choose from. Wonder why.

I’m not sure about this, but it is logical to me. MO

I don’t think they will be able to seat a jury in Pike County.

I think it probably means the defense did not get a cross section to their liking. Since I assume they are having to seat a DP jury. I am not sure if the cross section of people would matter more.

 

[Cool Cats]

MO
I believe you are correct. I don’t think Defense found enough jurors to their liking.
Also, it seems as if there may not be enough potential jurors actually showing up to choose from. Wonder why.

I’m not sure about this, but it is logical to me. MO

I don’t think they will be able to seat a jury in Pike County.

Maybe also many jurors admit they think he is guilty. That they are influenced by the media coverage of Jake and Angela's confessions amongst other evidence put out by the media. He looks guilty as h@#$
and I bet some jurors admit they think he is guilty etc...

But without seating a jury in Pike County this could possibly drag on past the trial date. I am really hoping that they get a Pike County jury. This is just bull @#$%.

 

[Cool Cats]

Does this mean the defense is asking to bring in whole new prospective jury panel?

G4

07/26/2022

MOTION NO. 104 MOTION TO STRIKE VENIRE AND ENFORCE MANDATORY JUROR ATTENDANCE FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

You are good at getting the Motions. If there is any way at all for you or anyone to get this Motion please post it.

This is confusing me. What does VENIRE mean in this context? They want to get rid of the jury list?

Defense must hate what they are hearing from the jurors, George is toast in Pike County, probably most , like us, see he is guilty. My opinion, to me anyway, it's obvious he is guilty of murder.

venire​

(ven-eer-ay) n. the list from which jurors may be selected. (See: jury, panel)

Venire

Definition of Venire in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

 

[Covert Operative]

You are good at getting the Motions. If there is any way at all for you or anyone to get this Motion please post it.

This is confusing me. What does VENIRE mean in this context? They want to get rid of the jury list?

Defense must hate what they are hearing from the jurors, George is toast in Pike County, probably most , like us, see he is guilty. My opinion, to me anyway, it's obvious he is guilty of murder.

venire​

(ven-eer-ay) n. the list from which jurors may be selected. (See: jury, panel)

Venire

Definition of Venire in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

Yes.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes.

I have never heard of the defense wanting to throw out the entire jury list. What the blank is going on? They seem to want a change of venue is what could be going on. This is like a never ending ..........

Just keep watching the docket.... Sigh.

I feel real impatient today, had high hopes for his trial to start on time with a Pike Jury. Families have been waiting too long.

 

[Covert Operative]

I have never heard of the defense wanting to throw out the entire jury list. What the blank is going on? They seem to want a change of venue is what could be going on. This is like a never ending ..........

 

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07/26/2022

MOTION NO. 104 MOTION TO STRIKE VENIRE AND ENFORCE MANDATORY JUROR ATTENDANCE FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

 

[Covert Operative]

I have never heard of the defense wanting to throw out the entire jury list. What the blank is going on? They seem to want a change of venue is what could be going on. This is like a never ending ..........

Just keep watching the docket.... Sigh.

I would be surprised if that motion is granted. I have been surprised before though.

 

[Cool Cats]

07/26/2022

MOTION NO. 104 MOTION TO STRIKE VENIRE AND ENFORCE MANDATORY JUROR ATTENDANCE FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

I can't believe how fast you got this Motion. Incredible. Thanks.

 

[Covert Operative]

I can't believe how fast you got this Motion. Incredible. Thanks.

It wasn't really that fast. Been trying to get it ever since I saw it.

 

[Cool Cats]

It wasn't really that fast. Been trying to get it ever since I saw it.

Fast to me I only just saw it!

Defense complaining not enough jurors George's age and not enough jurors outside of Waverly and Piketon. That is 2 of their complaints.

Defense is pulling out all the stops to get a change of venue.

Long Motion, this conclusion is interesting, there are 14 pages.

 

[Ann99]

07/26/2022

MOTION NO. 104 MOTION TO STRIKE VENIRE AND ENFORCE MANDATORY JUROR ATTENDANCE FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

Thanks for this.
Just incredible. Seems like Parker and Nash want jury members who were home schooled, are G4 age or younger, and lived on a farm in rural Ohio.
IF those specific type people can be found, if they exist, at least half of them would have been friends with, relatives of, or would have known the younger victims or be disqualified for other reasons.

 

[Puzzles8]

Thanks for this.
Just incredible. Seems like Parker and Nash want jury members who were home schooled, are G4 age or younger, and lived on a farm in rural Ohio.
IF those specific type people can be found, if they exist, at least half of them would have been friends with, relatives of, or would have known the younger victims or be disqualified for other reasons.

From what I have read in the other 100 or so Motions it seems they would also like nothing short of a pony, a unicorn and special exceptions to the Ohio Legal Code.

I don't see any of it happening.....

Extra thanks to all that keep us up to date on the endless motions.


JMO