OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #69

[Covert Operative]

Did you just go by the numbers, or did you search by county offices? Nevermind, it's not that important.

I just did an internet search on the phone numbers. The numbers brought up pike county prosecuting investigator.

 

[rsd1200]

I do not think DR and FR had any watch dogs but I am not positive of that. Maybe someone else knows that for sure. I would need to lock my doors even if I had a good watch dog because dogs can be shot, but some may feel safe enough with their dogs. If they had watchdogs seems the dogs would have alerted them someone was near or coming in. If they had them in this case, it did not help.
I do agree they proabably did not think it was their last night to live, most people do not think that in general.

They did have a dog(s). I am not sure what type that DR had, but I'm almost positive, they had one. FR had hounds. Edit: A lot of times dogs are used as a deterrent and are not as much guard dogs, as just pets. They are for looks, too, for people who may not have ever met the dogs. Hounds bark constantly so you get used to them as background noise. The dogs knew them. Also, CR2's were pits or pit mixes, I believe, and they do not bark a lot. It depends on the situation. When they do bark, you can definitely hear them, though.

 

[Covert Operative]

They did have a dog(s). I am not sure what type that DR had, but I'm almost positive, they had one. FR had hounds.

I did know FR had hounds but that poster was talking about watchdogs, which I consider is a dog kept to guard private property. He may mean something else. I assume it meant dogs that would protect a person in the home or out. Had heard before she had a dog at that time, then heard she did not. If they did have watchdogs or any dog, it did not help in this case.
The dogs did not help at CRsr either and I do know he had what may be considered a type of watchdog. I feel when a lot of dogs hear gunshots, they run.

 

[Covert Operative]

They did have a dog(s). I am not sure what type that DR had, but I'm almost positive, they had one. FR had hounds. Edit: A lot of times dogs are used as a deterrent and are not as much guard dogs, as just pets. They are for looks, too, for people who may not have ever met the dogs. Hounds bark constantly so you get used to them as background noise. The dogs knew them. Also, CR2's were pits or pit mixes, I believe, and they do not bark a lot. It depends on the situation. When they do bark, you can definitely hear them, though.

Yes, I was replying to the poster commenting, why do you need to lock your doors if you have good watchogs. Some people may feel very comfortable with doing that.

 

[Piffcat]

I did know FR had hounds but that poster was talking about watchdogs, which I consider is a dog kept to guard private property. He may mean something else. I assume it meant dogs that would protect a person in the home or out. Had heard before she had a dog at that time, then heard she did not. If they did have watchdogs or any dog, it did not help in this case.
The dogs did not help at CRsr either and I do know he had what may be considered a type of watchdog. I feel when a lot of dogs hear gunshots, they run.

the newest info about crsr expecting bw answers a few questions and created a few more.... there have been many descriptions of crsr counter surveilance/booby traps/security measures taken(presumably for the grow) this must have deterred the wags from a pre emptive surprise attack. this would include crsr telling the dogs bw was ok to proceed. the question it brings up is how could someone so savvy and disciplined as crsr underestimate bw capacity for evil. must have been a terrible feeling to realize as the mayhem unfolded.

 

[rsd1200]

I did know FR had hounds but that poster was talking about watchdogs, which I consider is a dog kept to guard private property. He may mean something else. I assume it meant dogs that would protect a person in the home or out. Had heard before she had a dog at that time, then heard she did not. If they did have watchdogs or any dog, it did not help in this case.
The dogs did not help at CRsr either and I do know he had what may be considered a type of watchdog. I feel when a lot of dogs hear gunshots, they run.

Watch dogs, aren't very good watch dogs if they are familiar with the person(s). BJM saw them sitting in recliners on the porch. I don't recall them finding any blood on the dogs at all.

I do think that the dogs were put out, but possibly by CR1, he may have let them out to potty. I also think that the dogs were put out before the murders.

My final thoughts on the dogs; I just don't see them as a deterrent. They didn't attack G3 when he and CR1 fought the week or so before. The dogs knew the Ws, too, and were most likely comfortable around gunfire.

Yes, I was replying to the poster commenting, why do you need to lock your doors if you have good watchogs. Some people may feel very comfortable with doing that.

I have Rotts who live in the house with me, and I lock my doors. I know folks who don't lock their doors. They usually have a firearm within easy reach, as do we.

Doesn't seem that CR1 got off any shots. I don't think they were expecting what happened, but were expecting G3 (based on what has been revealed about the plot).

 

[rsd1200]

the newest info about crsr expecting bw answers a few questions and created a few more.... there have been many descriptions of crsr counter surveilance/booby traps/security measures taken(presumably for the grow) this must have deterred the wags from a pre emptive surprise attack. this would include crsr telling the dogs bw was ok to proceed. the question it brings up is how could someone so savvy and disciplined as crsr underestimate bw capacity for evil. must have been a terrible feeling to realize as the mayhem unfolded.

Like the fight after the Demo Derby, when a fella made a wise crack, and the Rs went to the guy's home, and started to beat the guy up, the dad comes out and they knocked his tooth out. Did the guy press charges? Nope. Why? Would you have, if a family came on your property, and started whoopin' up on your son, and then you? They fought and it was over. Just my take.

I think, like the other fight(s), they thought the fight between G3 and CR1, that we've heard happened, made CR1 think it was settled, since it was said he won. Who knows, as part of the plan, G3 calls and reconciles with him and then mentions "the deal". Just late night thoughts.

 

[ohioexpat63]

Like the fight after the Demo Derby, when a fella made a wise crack, and the Rs went to the guy's home, and started to beat the guy up, the dad comes out and they knocked his tooth out. Did the guy press charges? Nope. Why? Would you have, if a family came on your property, and started whoopin' up on your son, and then you? They fought and it was over. Just my take.

I think, like the other fight(s), they thought the fight between G3 and CR1, that we've heard happened, made CR1 think it was settled, since it was said he won. Who knows, as part of the plan, G3 calls and reconciles with him and then mentions "the deal". Just late night thoughts.

It is the hilljack way of life. Roughnecks. Fight and move on. We cant look thru our lenses. Most of the time our vision is clouded and im from the area. JMO

 

[ohioexpat63]

Watch dogs, aren't very good watch dogs if they are familiar with the person(s). BJM saw them sitting in recliners on the porch. I don't recall them finding any blood on the dogs at all.

I do think that the dogs were put out, but possibly by CR1, he may have let them out to potty. I also think that the dogs were put out before the murders.

My final thoughts on the dogs; I just don't see them as a deterrent. They didn't attack G3 when he and CR1 fought the week or so before. The dogs knew the Ws, too, and were most likely comfortable around gunfire.

I have Rotts who live in the house with me, and I lock my doors. I know folks who don't lock their doors. They usually have a firearm within easy reach, as do we.

Doesn't seem that CR1 got off any shots. I don't think they were expecting what happened, but were expecting G3 (based on what has been revealed about the pl

Ive been told from many people in the know, the dogs were all bark and no bite. Even the dog at KRs Mr. MANLEY claimed to be a killer. It is much like a cowboy thats all hat and no cows.

 

[rsd1200]

It is the hilljack way of life. Roughnecks. Fight and move on. We cant look thru our lenses. Most of the time our vision is clouded and im from the area. JMO

I'm an Appalachian, from generations back, and yes, it is the way of life in many areas.

 

[rsd1200]

Ive been told from many people in the know, the dogs were all bark and no bite. Even the dog at KRs Mr. MANLEY claimed to be a killer. It is much like a cowboy thats all hat and no cows.

I agree. I don't know how many people I've heard tell that someone's dog will eat you up, and they're just big slobber monsters, especially if they've already met the person(s).

 

[CIA Team Member]

Am, I the only one thinking we will not see G4 on the stand.

IMO, there knee deep into a plea.

 

[Fat Old Man]

Everyone is forgetting. This Drug ruse story, is coming from a pair of professional liars, and admitted criminals. If they had a truck, they hid in to shot from.
We do not know, if they stood back and threw rocks at the house till CRS, open the door to see why. Then the ambush started. I believe, that JW and AW will always make the Rhoden's to be nothing but low life criminals. I cannot believe to much the Wagners say, unless it can be backed up with scientific facts. I am sure the Wagners, swore hundreds of times, something was the truth. Before their arrest, which turned out to be lies. How can anything be believed as the truth now? Just my experience when dealing with liars.

 

[rsd1200]

Everyone is forgetting. This Drug ruse story, is coming from a pair of professional liars, and admitted criminals. If they had a truck, they hid in to shot from.
We do not know, if they stood back and threw rocks at the house till CRS, open the door to see why. Then the ambush started. I believe, that JW and AW will always make the Rhoden's to be nothing but low life criminals. I cannot believe to much the Wagners say, unless it can be backed up with scientific facts. I am sure the Wagners, swore hundreds of times, something was the truth. Before their arrest, which turned out to be lies. How can anything be believed as the truth now? Just my experience when dealing with liars.

BIBM, It had to line up to some degree, or no DP off the table. I firmly believe G3's ruse to get inside.

 

[rsd1200]

IMO, there knee deep into a plea.

It would probably be for the best. LWOP, and end this six year nightmare of wondering, and then drawn out court, for the survivors. I doubt they've ever been able to mourn properly.

However, I kinda think that G4 thinks he's got a shot at getting out. Some folks won't listen to their legal team, and their legal team can't help that. They have to defend their client to the fullest, whether they believe them or not. I know most don't even ask if their client is guilty of the crime.

 

[Piffcat]

Like the fight after the Demo Derby, when a fella made a wise crack, and the Rs went to the guy's home, and started to beat the guy up, the dad comes out and they knocked his tooth out. Did the guy press charges? Nope. Why? Would you have, if a family came on your property, and started whoopin' up on your son, and then you? They fought and it was over. Just my take.

I think, like the other fight(s), they thought the fight between G3 and CR1, that we've heard happened, made CR1 think it was settled, since it was said he won. Who knows, as part of the plan, G3 calls and reconciles with him and then mentions "the deal". Just late night thoughts.

yes this is very good point. crsr certainly was not intimidated by the wagners. also did not seem like the type to back down when it comes to defending/protecting his family. the wags were clearly scared to sneak up on him im sure both trailers had multiple firearms. it still befuddles me that crsr wouldnt at least have a handgun on his person. i mean the last fight g3 pulled a gun on him, which he took away. maybe this is where gary came in. maybe thats why he was really there in the first place. looks like the hidden truck with g4 and jw was the crux of the murder plan. what we know about fr night tho (visits with friends at night, needing a jump) does not seem like fr was on high alert.

 

[Piffcat]

IMO, there knee deep into a plea.

there is no way g4 will take the stand. his lawyers would probly quit first. there is no way or possibility it could help his case. he has placed himself at the scene before and after of a brutal murder. nothing to be gained. hiding behind the 5th amendment and letting his semi co conspirator after the fact attorney chip away at the states iron clad case is his best shot.
i also dont understand why the state would even offer a plea bargain. their case could not be stronger. anything less then lwop is a slap in the face just like angelas deal. i hope no one there that night should ever be allowed to leave prison by the state. why even bother arresting people if they dont take a case like this to trial??
even taking the stand in first place would prove many of the conspiracy charges. i pray he takes the stand that will end up with him on death row.

 

[rsd1200]

there is no way g4 will take the stand. his lawyers would probly quit first. there is no way or possibility it could help his case. he has placed himself at the scene before and after of a brutal murder. nothing to be gained. hiding behind the 5th amendment and letting his semi co conspirator after the fact attorney chip away at the states iron clad case is his best shot.
i also dont understand why the state would even offer a plea bargain. their case could not be stronger. anything less then lwop is a slap in the face just like angelas deal. i hope no one there that night should ever be allowed to leave prison by the state. why even bother arresting people if they dont take a case like this to trial??
even taking the stand in first place would prove many of the conspiracy charges. i pray he takes the stand that will end up with him on death row.

I agree with you, but I'd rather see them all get 8 sentences, that run consecutively, of LWOP, and NO Possibility of Parole.

Automatic plea with the DP. Puts the surviving family members, right back to having to relive everything, through pleas, and motions, and filings. The Ws can slowly pass away, locked away from one another, in the state pen.

I truly hope that G3 takes the stand. G4 too. I doubt G3 will take the stand though, but he is permitted to if he wishes, even against legal advice. He appears to me to have ASPD traits. If I'm right, he may just take the stand.

 

[Cool Cats]

Jake's proffer says George "shot nobody" but both Angela's and Jake's proffers say they "don't know who shot who."

So seriously? How can Jake get on the stand and say - no George didn't shoot Chris or Gary or Kenny, yet at the same time say he doesn't know who shot those 3?

Besides, Jake shot and killed 5 and then it was said he also shot a 6th victim. I assume this would be Chris Sr. So if that's the case Jake would in fact know who the other person was who was shooting at Chris and Gary, plus one of the shoe prints at Chris's is Jake's I believe.

I hope we get clear answers to these questions when Jake is questioned on the stand. We all want to know who shot Chris, Gary and Kenny.

If you don't know who shot Chris and Gary and Kenny, then the person who could have done it might have been George.

 

[rsd1200]

<snipped BM> i mean the last fight g3 pulled a gun on him, which he took away. maybe this is where gary came in. maybe thats why he was really there in the first place. looks like the hidden truck with g4 and jw was the crux of the murder plan. what we know about fr night tho (visits with friends at night, needing a jump) does not seem like fr was on high alert.

BBM
I'd thought that in the very beginning. There was a specific reason that GR came up, and for what reason would that be? His home was only about an hour away.