OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #71

[Felecia]

I wonder how many people in that area were given immunity deals to talk. I am thinking quite a few.

And who was laundering the money?

Maybe done with the used car business?

 

[Pru2U]

So that only proves that Angela purchased the shoes. How do they prove those shoes were on George's foot?

Someone will correct me if I’m wrong but I believe he only has to be found guilty of 1 of the 3 below to get a conviction (and qualify for death penalty)

1) He was involved in planning.

2) He was involved in the murders
(physically there).

3) He was involved in cover-up.

 

[rescuemom]

But a jury isn't tasked with determining what is easier. To me the fact that it is wet outside does not prove that it rained.

I'm not trying to be difficult. I am confused and hope the state has more than just the confessions.

What is better than a confession??

 

[Recidivist]

What is better than a confession??

A confession not made by the killer, who has incentive to lie.

 

[Pru2U]

Do you think she accepted the proffer without knowing all the evidence?? I don't see that happening. Did she accept his proffer knowing that it would not match the evidence? Was not all of the test finished when she accepted the proffer or did she accept the proffer giving JW the chance to tell the truth but he didn't so proffer is off the table?? Or am I confused

Is this comment maybe for Joe?

He was talking about the proffer. I was asking about the autopsy report.

 

[rescuemom]

A confession not made by the killer, who has incentive to lie.

He has no incentive to lie unless he wants the DP to be put back on the table for all 4 of them

 

[rescuemom]

Is this comment maybe for Joe?

He was talking about the proffer. I was asking about the autopsy report.

Sorry!!!!!

 

[joe jones]

Do we know how many of their injuries were from close range? Do we know if all entry wounds from front of bodies?

Just thinking out loud. It’s been a minute since I looked at autopsy reports and they were heavily redacted.

I am sure we will find out more about what position GR and CR were in when shot, they are the 2 who were moving targets,

if I was defense, I would want to know if any prints were Bobbie Jo , if she had blood on her shoes when police confiscated her shoes at station, tested to see if she left any prints, I doubt she was worried about where she trod when she went in saw the blood ran to their bedroom and then ran out, she must have been horrified, terrified and all the fieds in between, and she followed the path that the deceased were dragged so at some point she must have stepped in blood,

LE who went in to clear the house climbed on furniture, over the treadmill to get to the deceased as there was so much blood on floor, they didn't want to disturb crime scene

 

[justtrish]

defense could argue that like JW and GW BW wore shoes that were different to his regular shoe choices, so he wore shoes a few sizes too small, and it was he who left impressions, if AW has said the same as JW that GW wasn't involved with planning, then state has shoe print evidence that will be challenged as to who wore them, it has JW saying GW was their but we now know his proffer proves he has lied and how AC is going to explain why she accepted his proffer when it doesn't match the evidence I don't know, and we have GW belonged to the Wagner cult, and I could not use that he was part of the Wagner cult who planned these murders if their is no evidence of his planning,

I am holding out hopes for him making admissions on the bugs LE planted in his truck or at home,

I think when look at what else has been said about that night.. the planned meeting to discuss a deal. Would Billy wear shoes several sizes too small to a planned meeting? Would he wear tennis shoes if he usually wore work boots? I think that would be a huge red flag right away. It would stick out like a sore thumb. I am sure the defense could argue anything they want, but I am going on the thought that whatever story Angela and Jake told was independent of each other, without having the evidence that LE had in order to make up the perfect story. If what these two said matched evidence they had then it just further confirms the story. What is the outlier would be Billy and George saying they weren't there.

I think the first step was tell the story of how the victims were discovered.
Give first responders the chance to explain what they did or didn't do, how they didn't mess with the scene or move anyone, change anything, etc.
Then bring in BCI to explain how they gathered the evidence.
Bring in experts to explain further
introduce Jake and Angela's version

If it all lines up, then it presents a strong case for how all 4 were involved.

We also don't know what was on the recordings and voice mails they have or in any of the testimony from George's ex and Jakes ex.

 

[ColMustard]

I'm confused, or not.

In a murder trial, who else is there to confess, other than the killer?

 

[justtrish]

A confession not made by the killer, who has incentive to lie.

But the confession took blame for 5 murders and said George killed no-one. That isn't really trying to pin anything on anyone. To me that is taking the blame and telling the truth. If he was trying to pin it on George, then why say he didn't kill anyone and why admit to 5 murders? I feel in some cases yes, taking a deal and confessing could be seen as putting blame on a codefendant, but Jake took the blame and lessened the blame of his brother.

 

[joe jones]

He has no incentive to lie unless he wants the DP to be put back on the table for all 4 of them

he has lied though, all shots according to witness today were from outside in, JW said only 1 outside, unless he later clarified in his proffer that shots were fired through a closed (at most it would be ajar) door, and then an open door

6 bullets went through door, from today's testimony, do not know caliber or if they ever determined that

 

[Pru2U]

I am sure we will find out more about what position GR and CR were in when shot, they are the 2 who were moving targets,

if I was defense, I would want to know if any prints were Bobbie Jo , if she had blood on her shoes when police confiscated her shoes at station, tested to see if she left any prints, I doubt she was worried about where she trod when she went in saw the blood ran to their bedroom and then ran out, she must have been horrified, terrified and all the fieds in between, and she followed the path that the deceased were dragged so at some point she must have stepped in blood,

LE who went in to clear the house climbed on furniture, over the treadmill to get to the deceased as there was so much blood on floor, they didn't want to disturb crime scene

I’m just thinking if shots were at close range, BW very well “could” have shot them in doorway, he’s a BIG guy tho, but it’s thought. Either way, it seems like shooting from outside at least one of them would have been shot from behind.

In my mind, I can see the three of them walking back into trailer (BW, CR, GR) & BW firing from behind them, right in front of chair. That makes sense to me.

 

[joe jones]

Do you think she accepted the proffer without knowing all the evidence?? I don't see that happening. Did she accept his proffer knowing that it would not match the evidence? Was not all of the test finished when she accepted the proffer or did she accept the proffer giving JW the chance to tell the truth but he didn't so proffer is off the table?? Or am I confused

by the time she accepted his proffer she knew all the evidence,

 

[rescuemom]

he has lied though, all shots according to witness today were from outside in, JW said only 1 outside, unless he later clarified in his proffer that shots were fired through a closed (at most it would be ajar) door, and then an open door

6 bullets went through door, from today's testimony, do not know caliber or if they ever determined that

yes he has and I hope it takes him down... I hope it takes them all down

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why none of the dogs seemed to protect their owners during all of thi

He is excellent at explaining everything and I am so glad the male prosecutor (sorry don't recall names) is questioning him. He is good at questioning.

Also, I don't see this BCI agent getting tripped up at all when the defense cross examines him. He is very detailed and exact. He knows this stuff and I just don't see the defense getting any "points" on him when they get to question him.

While it's hard to follow detailed scientific and forensic evidence, it's a good sign that the prosecution is being so meticulous about laying out this very complex case.

 

[joe jones]

I’m just thinking if shots were at close range, BW very well “could” have shot them in doorway, he’s a BIG guy tho, but it’s thought. Either way, it seems like shooting from outside at least one of them would have been shot from behind.

In my mind, I can see the three of them walking back into trailer (BW, CR, GR) & BW firing from behind them, right in front of chair. That makes sense to me.

but outside to inside was what BCI Agent says, that to me says outside the house to inside, not inside to inside, and 6 bullets went through door or door jam, so was the door partially open for those bullets to go through, or was it shut and then opened, once we get trajectory and 3D scan hopefully it will be cleared up

 

[rescuemom]

by the time she accepted his proffer she knew all the evidence,

I would think so. So she just let him tell his story without revealing what she knew. She even read it into the record in her opening statement so as to justify removing the proffer?? She also got more information from him, tho

 

[Chelly]

When JW testifies, he will most likely be asked who was wearing those shoes being discussed. If he lives up to his plea agreement, he will tell the jury who was wearing those shoes. The jury can choose to believe him, or not.

 

[Pru2U]

but outside to inside was what BCI Agent says, that to me says outside the house to inside, not inside to inside, and 6 bullets went through door or door jam, so was the door partially open for those bullets to go through, or was it shut and then opened, once we get trajectory and 3D scan hopefully it will be cleared up

And, as I mentioned earlier, we will get a reenactment at some point.