OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #71

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  • #621
This is just my opinion, but there are links I am too tired to look up right now, since I was up for a few hours today. Anyway most of you have followed the hearings and read the motions and they have been posted here many times before. So JMO.

BBM

Jake put a newborn to nurse from the dead mother probably sealed George's fate.

You have more confidence than I do then. Unfortunately, as far as murder goes you are not your brother's keeper, so what Jake admits he did cannot be transferred to George and you can be certain the jury is not going to hold George accountable for Jake's admitted actions. According to Jake, George can't even testify to what Jake did since he wasn't there to see it.

We have lumped this case as the W4 for so many years it's hard to let it go and consider only the evidence that pertains to George.

But remember George is the only one on trial here. Forget Jake and Angie. They have pled guilty and been sentenced already. Jake is a sick pedophile abuser who after AC's opening, I am not convinced he did not act alone in this with Angie's help planning it. Angie is an enabler and abuser and evidently spies on her son's ex's and reports back to them.

Now we need to focus on the evidence against just George. This is a man on trial for his life. The jury owes him that. And you can bet they will only be focused on what George did and only the evidence against George. So far nothing. All the state admits it has is a size 10 1/2 or size 11 bloody shoe print. One at Chris's and one at Dana's I think. The first and last place a crime took place.

Have to listen to that opening again but if AC said George was inside Frankies then where is the bloody shoe print from there? Keep in mind people the only crime scene with blood on the floor to step in was Chris's. The others were shot in bed and not moved from where they were shot. Jake admits he shot Frankie and Hazel while George was not in the bedroom. Jake admits he shot Chris Jr, Hannah and Dana. Jake says George was guarding the door to Chris Jr's bedroom but did not shoot him and did not enter the bedroom so no blood to step in there either. Jake says Billy shot Kenny while George was up the highway as look out. No blood to step in there either.

I did an experiment today. I have nothing else to do right now so I had my oldest GS go to Walmart and buy a pair of size 10 1/2 and size 11 athletic shoes and a bottle of ketchup. When he got back I told him to smear that ketchup all over my varnished wood floor. Then I told him to put on the left shoe of the 10 1/2 and step in the ketchup. I then had him to hop over to the carpet and step down on it. Repeated with the left side size 11. Then I told him to wait until it dried most of the way and measure both. He did so with a jewelry tool I use to measure width of jewelry which has MM's instead of inches. They were 1/1008 mm off. Then I made him clean it all up. lol Not a precise experiment but gives you an idea. I wish I could ask hubby who worked homicide crime scenes how accurate my experiment is but that is not possible right now. Point is that is some very thin evidence. Try it yourself and see. Costs under 25.00 to do it.

As far as George going with Angie and Jake to buy a vehicle, that's not evidence and is a non starter for me. I have went with people to buy a vehicle and I have not killed anyone.

The two vehicles with one following close behind the other could have been Jake and Angie who have confessed to this crime.

Here's hoping the state has more, like video surveillance from one of those houses that captured a clear picture of George in one of those vehicles because they sure can't place him inside the crime scenes. Or surveillance from Chris or Kenny's outside cameras placing him at the scenes. The state has admitted they do not have George's DNA at any of the crime scenes. No forensics on George at all.

No wonder Nash smiled every time AC said "they" or them". I saw him look at George and smirk while the male EMT was testifying. The male EMT made no mention of a bloody foot print by Chris Jr's bedroom and Junk did not ask him to point any out on the crime scene photos like he did with the pacifier.


BTW I have not seen anywhere that there were any eye witnesses to this crime unless you are talking about Jake who we know is a liar and who none of us trust? Or Billy who has not said a word? Angie, according to her and Jake was home in bed asleep so could not have seen a thing.

At this point after hearing all the motions and watching all the hearings in George's case, just not seeing it folks.

I am hoping and praying but not sure my hopes and prayers are going to get a conviction on George.


JMO
It's aggravated murder, meaning multiple murders committed during what the charging documents call "aggravated burglary" and "trespass." Saying, for example, that George didn't shoot anyone himself doesn't mitigate the fact that he was part of a group that killed 8 people, that he was on that property, that he drove vehicles or served as a lookout, and so on. Both Jake and Angela will put George IV in those trailers and that will be the ball game. It won't matter that George didn't fire a bullet that killed someone; he was part of a murder gang. The grand jury found that George was in possession of a firearm during the burglary. The whole family was charged with conspiracy and engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity and that is likely what Jake and Angela will testify to. The trial is expected to go on for weeks and the bulk of the time will be the prosecution laying out everything from wiretaps on the Wagners to the evidence of tampering with the Rhoden's communications and security devices.

Jake has confessed to the conspiracy and the murders. Angela confessed to "conspiracy to commit aggravated murder, several counts of aggravated burglary, tampering with evidence, and other charges as part of a plea deal" and got 30 years. She wasn't at the murder scenes. So what is the defense to do, argue that these two are lying about George being part of the conspiracy? The conspiracy alone puts George in prison for life; he didn't take a plea deal.

I bring up the point about the nursing mothers because the jury knows now how cold and callous these murders were. That a killer could pick up a newborn and put it at the breast of the mother he just murdered is shocking even to me and I've followed this case from the day the bodies were discovered. The jury will not forget that detail. And we have no idea what the prosecution might have that puts George in various vehicle or his fingerprints or DNA is places it shouldn't be. All he had to do was sweat on a body he was moving. I'm confident that anyone in those homes when the murders happened will be found guilty of aggravated murder and the other major counts.
 
  • #622
Can anyone help me find Donald Stones testimony. I missed it this morning and really wanted to see it.

It starts at about 1 hour in
 
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  • #624
Yes, she is slow. A benefit: it gives transcribers enough time to write down testimony.
And remember the jurors are taking notes. It's a complicated case.
 
  • #625
Probably the one the defense filed this morning.
There are some posts about it earlier today if you want to look back.

09/15/2022MOTION NO 110 MOTION TO TAKE JUDICIAL NOTICE FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

This motion is the defense objecting to the manner in which the prosecution is presenting evidence during witness testimony.

Nash cited Supreme Court rulings about the process of introducing evidence while witnesses are on the stand. The witnesses' memory is to be exhausted before showing the evidence. Nash contends the evidence is being shown before the witness testifies all they remember.

Seems like the most legwork I've seen today. But I've only just finished the first 15 minutes of today's court. We're going with procedural objections now.
 
  • #626
Curious about Donald Stone wearing gloves, did anyone catch why, if it was stated?

I'm media challenged, video and sound on my PC isn't working, so I'm stuck with my phone, CourtTV via tv app, or streaming youtube to tv. Law&Crime insists I sign up to view.

Just catching DS being questioned by AC, CTV is behind real time.
He stated he had a skin disorder/disease. MO possibly psoriasis
 
  • #627
Curious about Donald Stone wearing gloves, did anyone catch why, if it was stated?

I'm media challenged, video and sound on my PC isn't working, so I'm stuck with my phone, CourtTV via tv app, or streaming youtube to tv. Law&Crime insists I sign up to view.

Just catching DS being questioned by AC, CTV is behind real time.
He stated he had a skin disorder/disease. MO possibly psoriasis
 
  • #628
All it takes is one juror...

Personally that is what I think this is all about. One juror thinking that "hey, at least they took out some bad guys. Hillbilly style." Perhaps a juror who lost a family member to opiods.

That I believe is the intent of this defense.
I think you may be right that may be where the defense is trying to go, create a doubt. I really think the jury will see through this line of deflection when they are repeatedly shown and 16 year old minor was murder in his sleep and nursing babies were left laying in their mommy's blood at the breast. That is a brutality even "hillbilly style" cannot justify. But it is the only option the defense has, we knew they would try to sling mud on the Rhoden family.
 
  • #629
Thank you!

Thanks to those that answered my question above.

I'm confused about DS saying Luke went in first. No link so this is my opinion, as I recall DS said in interviews he told LR to wait outside because "you don't want to see this". ?
Donald said that he went in first and that Luke was down the steps from him
 
  • #630
Agree. Here’s a quote from Deputy Ball in the link to Springfield-News Sun from Imstilla grandma’s post above

“He testified that, while checking Chris Sr.’s property, he discovered an “extensive” marijuana grow operation in a garage, an out building and a semi trailer. Ball said marijuana grow operations aren’t unusual to come across in Pike County and that he’d seen bigger than the operation at Chris Sr.’s home.”

It wasn’t that big an operation. It wasn’t the reason for the murders. it’s a side issue, a distraction. JMO
I agree!!!!!!!! MJ was NOT the motive for these murders. It was NOT that big a grow. We have entire schools and hospitals that have stood empty for years here bought now and used as MJ grows.

Chris was small time maybe making a few thousand a year on it. I want to get away from these small time distractions and start talking about some real evidence here. I haven't seen any real evidence against George yet.
I know it's hard, it is for me anyway, but I am trying to separate George out from the other 3. jake and Angie's proffers are a "he said, she said" thing, not hard evidence.

George is on trial for his life. It is the duty of those jurors to consider only the evidence against him. So no matter what my feelings about George is personally, how he looks (bored, angry ect) is not evidence. I intend to consider only evidence against him to reach a conclusion. Right now i am not seeing it, I worry it's going to be a not guilty, even though I PERSONALLY believe that he at the very least knew about it in advance and did nothing to stop it happening. He could have notified LE to report their plans. But again that is only my PERSONAL opinion and not evidence against him.

JMO
 
  • #631
Totally agree. Lots of money comes from those plants. I wonder if the government seized the cash. I don't think the grows diminish the fact that the family was brutally murdered. In fact, I give credit to the Rhoden's for finding a way to lift themselves out of poverty.
I'm thinking about CR Sr. buying the trailer for Dana. Whatever money he had went to taking care of his family, including his ex-wife. And still the Rhodens had jobs, aspired to tough careers like nursing.
 
  • #632
Look at George then look at his lawyer......See attachment.......While audience was crying.
Heartless. If you were not guilty you would have some feeling. Even his lawyer does.
 

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  • #633
This is my opinion based on facts!

1. A family of 4 conspired to murder an entire bloodline of 8. Wagners vs Rhoden/gilley

2. 2 of the 4 wagner family members pled quilty

3. GWIv is claiming the Sgt Schultz defense, i know nothing!

4. The wags are a clan type stereotypical Appalachian family. They are nothing more than cold blooded murderers.

5. 2 of the 8 were nursing mothers and at least one positioned the deceased mother and child so the child could nurse.

6. Some are in the weeds wanting to blame it on a MJ grow even though all the evidence points toward a custody battle over a 3 yr old
I agree with you on some points but would like to respectively point out a couple of things.
BBM

1. A family of 4 conspired to murder an entire bloodline of 8. Wagners vs Rhoden/gilley
We do not yet have any proof all 4 were involved. We have 2 who pled guilty so we can say without doubt they were involved.

4. The wags are a clan type stereotypical Appalachian family. They are nothing more than cold blooded murderers.
Unless you lived in the home with them you cannot conclusively say what the family dynamics were. That is why I am looking forward to the two ex's testimony, to get a better idea. Those will be two very important witnesses in this trial. They may be able to provide some hard evidence also.

JMO
 
  • #634
So I called the court and they weren't sure if a regular person could buy a transcript. She said she would let me know. We need to read what Angela and Jake say when the trial is over. Anyone else have thoughts on this?. So many people are opting out of being recorded I feel a transcript is the only way to get all the facts.

A transcript of this trial would fill in some of these blanks. So many opting out of being recorded.

I think Angela and Jake could opt out of being recorded. I'm waiting to see where the prosecution proves George is guilty. Crime scene discoveries first I figured that.

If I get a transcript I'm printing it here, some of it, especially Jake and Angela.

And a photo of their prison mug shots and prisons their sent to.
I was in a deposition once for about 6 hours and it was hundreds of pages. I fear transcripts will be very long and expensive.
 
  • #635
I was in a deposition once for about 6 hours and it was hundreds of pages. I fear transcripts will be very long and expensive.
I will try to get some of it. Angie's and Jake's especially. And the EX's.
 
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After Donald Stone testified the defense asked the judge once again not to keep showing the gruesome pictures inferring that they made Donald cry and judge said Donald was crying before pictures were introduced.. nice try. What do they say ...a picture is worth a thousand words.
 
  • #638
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But the.distractors.wanna make it something it isnt/wasnt. Why? This has been going on since 2016. The subtle victim blaming is infuriating. I didnt.know the Rs but I know folks intimately involved with them and their lifestyle.

The mj business is a red herring. Unless you have evidence otherwise the rabbit dog ur hunting with needs training. These distractors have been around since the murders. I will no longer.entertain their nonsense. They are on this site for a reason. They came out of the woodwork like roaches on a Sat night. Predictable. These distractions cant.produce because they will be exposed.

Jmo
Unless you have evidence otherwise the rabbit dog ur hunting with needs training

I agree with you. That dog won't hunt.

JMO
 
  • #639
I do understand your concerns, but my thoughts are that the prosecution believes George's own words will condemn him in terms of showing his level of planning, involvement and the cover-up. We haven't yet heard what he had to say in that family meeting/meetings but iirc, it has been said that he was very vocal. I'm quite anxious for that to come out. JMO
Me too.
 
  • #640
I agree with you on some points but would like to respectively point out a couple of things.
BBM

1. A family of 4 conspired to murder an entire bloodline of 8. Wagners vs Rhoden/gilley
We do not yet have any proof all 4 were involved. We have 2 who pled guilty so we can say without doubt they were involved.

4. The wags are a clan type stereotypical Appalachian family. They are nothing more than cold blooded murderers.
Unless you lived in the home with them you cannot conclusively say what the family dynamics were. That is why I am looking forward to the two ex's testimony, to get a better idea. Those will be two very important witnesses in this trial. They may be able to provide some hard evidence also.

JMO
Enough has come out to show they all did it and enough has come out to show how they lived their lives at home.
 
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