OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #71

[dgfred]

What is all that around the chair... are they not shots from inside staying inside?

 

[Betty P]

Shoe prints in this scene

What is all that around the chair... are they not shots from inside staying inside?

They're ballistic evidence, if green. It seems it was from bullets hitting objects, falling, pieces coming from outside. They had earlier exhibits showing the "rods" inserted into bullet holes around the front door that showed most of those were from outside, in the front yard.

 

[dgfred]

All 32 or whatever came from outside?

 

[Betty P]

Shoe prints

Used parchment paper. Blood of footprints was dry. Layed parchment over footprints so no one would step there. Preserve evidence until they were ready to process it.

 

[Betty P]

All 32 or whatever came from outside?

I don't know if it was 32, but most all did. He said only one came from inside the building. Pretty sure that was the one that was found under the trailer. It went through the floor of the trailer, fired from inside.

 

[Chelly]

I think this is Special Prosecutor Andrew Wilson questioning on direct.
I am not sure if his title is Special Prosecutor or just Prosecutor.

 

[Betty P]

Lucal chrystal violet can help unseen footprints appear. If he sees a partial footprint, he knows there is probably more next to it, but can't see it. The LCV stuff makes it show up, has a fixative in it that makes it stop after it has developed the unseen footprints.

Also cut out the whole footprint. Cut the floor and all. That's why they waited until the end of processing the scene, because its a big, messy process to cut out the pieces of floor with footprints.

Correction: Leuco Crystal Violet

 

[dgfred]

Dang... sounds like Ws were scared to get too close. I am trying to figure how they got both victims unless one came out to see what was happening and got shot too. I have always thought they got 1 outside and went in to get the other... but that seems wrong now.

 

[Betty P]

Other Footwear prints going into kitchen

Take photos, use different camera settings, angles, filters, etc. to get as much detail from the print.

Seeing characteristics of shoe some expert at lab should see. Detail standing out in a certain area of shoe there was no wear pattern at all

 

[dgfred]

New shoes make excellent prints.

 

[Betty P]

Also later cut flooring out with this shoe print. Took parchment paper off and used power tools to cut out the 2nd shoe print

Opening evidence box now with shoeprint evidence

 

[rescuemom]

Who are the 3 ladies and 1 gentlemen that the camera rests on when off of the witness, if you know, TIA

 

[Betty P]

Why can't we see the shoe impression?

Showing another shoeprint from living room

 

[rescuemom]

Some of these poor people are falling asleep..I hope the jury is awake. This guy sure is articulate.

 

[Betty P]

Third shoe print used Leuco crystal violet to enhance it, also removed flooring with print.

GW4 taking notes

 

[Betty P]

Footwear impression close to the door at entrance to the trailer.

LCV applied. Beforehand took same series of photos as others. Didn't touch it.

Defendant and attorney are all looking at the camera, I think? Looks like they were looking at us.

Used power tool to extract from floor. Sent to lab. Opening box with this 4th bloody shoe print in it.

 

[Chelly]

Why can't we see the shoe impression?

Showing another shoeprint from living room

Must be one of the graphic images judge ruled against us seeing.

 

[Betty P]

Looking at photos of blood trail in kitchen area, back toward bedroom area where victims were left.

Begin to see footwear impressions on top of the blood. Indicates the person walked back to the area after the bodies had been dragged back there.

Think this is 5th shoeprint. Multiple photographs but might not mean much at the time, but can only see so much detail. For that reason they take a lot of photos for expert examination later.

Wish we could see this diagram showing location of shoeprints

 

[Betty P]

Were able to just cut the linoleum to get that footwear impression. Kitchen had linoleum. Open box, show exhibit, identify

GW4 is writing again, taking notes

A shell casing found in the kitchen, between the back wall and a table.

Stipulating - insufficient data for determining DNA

Submitted because it could have had touch DNA on it

Firing a shell in a gun can destroy DNA on a shell casing.

Stopping for now, not finished with this witness yet.

Adjourning court for the weekend. Will be back on Monday 9 am.

 

[dgfred]

So happy there is/was a confession(s). I feared an Amanda Knox/O.J. Simpson kind of defense. Throwing doubt on every piece of evidence no matter how crazy; to cast doubt on the mountain of it against them. Blood evidence collected wrong, missed stuff, police corrupt or incompetent, test done wrong, etc
Makes it tuff when your co-murderers confess.