OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #72

[LMDlong]

And, according to Jake's proffer, Billy was inside when Jake began shooting. I don't think the .40 Glock was ever intended to be fired outside bc there was no silencer and Frankie was CLOSE.

Trying to understand your statement where was Jake at when he began shooting?

 

[ColMustard]

That business doesn't make sense as stated by JW in the proffer, as related by AC in opening, about GW4 not being able to shoot with the oil filter suppressor on the SKS. He said G4 couldn't see over the oil filter, but surely they practiced and would've known. How does one person have trouble aiming and the other doesn't?

edit: couldn't, not could

 

[LeftEyed]

Trying to understand your statement where was Jake at when he began shooting?

Per Canepa Jake was shooting the SKS from outside but she's never really clear in the opening whether or not Jake went back under a truck after he took the SKS from George. She just claims that they started out under the trucks.
Right around 2:49

 

[ColMustard]

Per Canepa Jake was shooting the SKS from outside but she's never really clear in the opening whether or not Jake went back under a truck after he took the SKS from George. She just claims that they started out under the trucks.
Right around 2:49

I thought they were both in the false bottom in the bed of the W murder truck?

 

[LMDlong]

Per Canepa Jake was shooting the SKS from outside but she's never really clear in the opening whether or not Jake went back under a truck after he took the SKS from George. She just claims that they started out under the trucks.
Right around 2:49

I understand your statement now. I just rewatched that part of Canepa‘s opening.

 

[LeftEyed]

I thought they were both in the false bottom in the bed of the W murder truck?

Canepa said they were in the false bottom until Billy came out to lower the tailgate. At that time they "slithered" out and one went under the murder truck, the other under "one of chris' trucks" -- but that was for the initial plan (shooting CR/GR as they walk to a grow) -- which they didn't follow thru with bc George didn't shoot. This is when it seems GR/CR/BW go inside the trailer. Jake takes the SKS from George. Billy comes outside, hatches new plan then goes back inside. Chris goes to door to call Billy's phone at Billy's request and the outside shots begin. I'd imagine the second the outside SKS shots stop, Billy starts with the .40
Billy was inside, allegedly, he would have had to make certain he was somewhat out of the way while (Jake) was shooting the SKS from outside.

 

[Hapworth]

True. She did not realize how trackable a lot of things were. Printing documents from a computer is another thing she did not understand.

Wasn’t this receipt found in a box (tub) marked “important papers” ?

 

[sunshineray]

Yes that's what I was thinking so he was still outside "looking for his phone" I guess.

 

[sunshineray]

Anybody know what this was all about? The responding officer to a distant (as opposed to the other three grouped together) murder scene is told to go quite a distance back over to the church on Union Hill (the road with 3 murder scenes) to take a female, that he now can't recall if she was of age or not, to a safer place than a church filled with relatives and friends of the victims plus I'm sure some LE.


"Romine then interviewed the people who were at Kenneth’s house, before being called to the church. He said he was told to go to the church and take a female to a safer location. When asked if that female was an adult, Romine said he couldn’t recall, but that he’d done what he was asked."

Pike County murder trial Day 4: Testimony centers on final Rhoden victim found

George Wagner IV — along with his mother Angela, father George "Billy" Wagner and brother Edward "Jake" Wagner — is accused of shooting and killing 8 Rhoden family members "execution-style" in April 2016

www.springfieldnewssun.com

 

[pittsburghgirl]

What? Nash now says George wasn't there? Well Jake and Angela say he was and this will come out.

HA! Nash knows now that he can only save George if he can prove George wasn't at any of the murder scenes.

Nash running scared. His number is up. Good news. Nash knows George is guilty because he went with Jake and Billy to the murder scenes. Period.

What I think.

nothings ever just one thing. im sure there was a swirl and build up with different people. what its really about is frantic sadism. jake originally uses the custody issue as a backdoor to hanna may. little craps like jake are the ones to play games with little girls and act tough by hurting someone who brought your daughter in the world.

aw knows this. while aws ultimate goal is to make sure hanna does not come back in jakes life. because then aw would have to share her "mini me" so what does aw do?? gets all up on jake about sofia not being safe and rubbing in that she is around/dating other people. his own mother is immasculating him on purpose to build his embarrassment and anger over hanna leaving him.

george solved his "problem" george is a real man. georges son is being brought up the "right way" but your not "good" enough to solve your problem. at the same time aw and bw must have been frothing at the mouth for crsr hard earned money meant to build generational wealth for his entire family.

after seeing his grows, he is a top tier cultivator and at the price he was getting per pound he could have been pulling in close to a million at least 750 annualy.i know believe that the medical llc was the begining of goin g legit its the kind of company you would open to pay state tax but not federal since its illegal.
i can say from personal experience friendship mixed with grow op can go really good if the partner is hard working humble and motivated- its alot to learn. or it can be horrible an oil and water situation where the partner takes short cuts and things go wrong. thats how i see billy and his stolen dirt bike ring. hes just a crsr was a boss.

billy wasnt even living with them for a while. his phone was only there on murder night. he wanted revenge on chris for being better then him and beatin him up. think about how scummy billy is... chris extends his hand in friendship again after just week earlier billy had pulled a gun and fought him. even as the shots start crsr is trying to help him find his phone. billy angela and george and jake. took that money and lived out there alaskan dream on chris dime. until it ran out and they realized they would starve before taking care of themselves for once. theres no one worse then this family

100% agree.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The status quo. Around May 2016 someone asked the forum what could have been the motive. My answer was, the status quo, something changed or was about to change. The murders were supposed to stop or reverse that change. Control and possession.

Remember the story in the news article about JW looking for the hammer toe on the newborn. JW wanted the newborn to be his. Turns out that wasn't the case, but the newborn was still sister to his daughter. Now DR had the new home and Ws knew the courts would probably never split those sisters apart.

This makes a lot of sense, especially given that Hanna had not restricted access to their daughter. You explain the timing--why the murders happened and why they occurred when they did.

 

[ColMustard]

Canepa said they were in the false bottom until Billy came out to lower the tailgate. At that time they "slithered" out and one went under the murder truck, the other under "one of chris' trucks" -- but that was for the initial plan (shooting CR/GR as they walk to a grow) -- which they didn't follow thru with bc George didn't shoot. This is when it seems GR/CR/BW go inside the trailer. Jake takes the SKS from George. Billy comes outside, hatches new plan then goes back inside. Chris goes to door to call Billy's phone at Billy's request and the outside shots begin. I'd imagine the second the outside SKS shots stop, Billy starts with the .40
Billy was inside, allegedly, he would have had to make certain he was somewhat out of the way while (Jake) was shooting the SKS from outside.

Thanks for taking the time to clear that up for me, my video must have stopped. Several times during a session I've been forced to restart everything.

 

[Cool Cats]

Wasn’t this receipt found in a box (tub) marked “important papers” ?

Yes In Jake's truck at Bernie Brown's state Route 41 site visited by investigators.

Custody documents were also found with the receipt.

Angela's laptop taken by BCI in Montana showed she had downloaded custody documents from a Texas Website.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Sleuthers and to the Jury, Please Remember What all 4 Wagners Voted On Right Before They Where Arrested, They Swore To Each Other Wagner, If One Of Them Where To Remain Free Than That Wagner Was Supposed To Take Revenge Upon Mike DeWine, Charles Reader, and the BCI Agent, Afterwards Of That Task Then That Wagner Was Supposed To Brake the Other Wagners Out Of Jail. This was on the Bail hearing Video of George Wagner iv.

 

[Piffcat]

IIRC AW had TW provide all her passwords as well. For me the dispute over custody as motive while true is only the tip of the iceberg. Custody disputes happen countless times under a wide array of circumstances. They do not lead to the annihilation of 8 people to my knowledge ever prior to this case. The difference is AW. She wanted S. Unlike TW who AW was able to bully,manipulate and terrify into surrendering her child and eventually to flee HR was not so easy. The obvious question that comes to mind is why not fight for custody in court. The answer MOO comes down to not exposing JW to the consequences related to impregnating an underage girl. Surely that would have caused legal trouble and losing the custody case. IMO AW does not accept losing let alone losing to a girl who hurt her precious son. If concern for her both her sons lives was not a reason to abandon the murder plot it stands to reason that the actual well being of her granddaughter never even crossed her mind. Her influence in the events that followed still blows my mind after six years following every detail of this heartbreaking case.

the difference was hanna was not scared of angela. hanna had a whole family ready to fight for her and crsr had the money to do it. hanna herself had done NOTHING wrong. a marijuana grow at a place she does not reside is moot without any other problems. hanna was a good mom . once chris got dana and hanna out of the main trailers, the wagners had zero chance of getting what they wanted in court because what they wanted is not normal. it just burns me up so bad that these sub humans decided on the murder route. ive said it before why not just not return from a visit? if your really that sick so steal a child from her mother why did you have to kill all these people?? i hate them all soo much

 

[Cool Cats]

Sleuthers and to the Jury, Please Remember What all 4 Wagners Voted On Right Before They Where Arrested, They Swore To Each Other Wagner, If One Of Them Where To Remain Free Than That Wagner Was Supposed To Take Revenge Upon Mike DeWine, Charles Reader, and the BCI Agent, Afterwards Of That Task Then That Wagner Was Supposed To Brake the Other Wagners Out Of Jail. This was on the Bail hearing Video of George Wagner iv.

Also to take revenge on anyone who went against them!

George was the most vocal and perhaps a reason for this is because he thought he wouldn't be arrested. After all, he now seems to have his attorneys saying he didn't even go.

Super desperate and if brought up again will be easily shot down. Even Angie and Jake say he was there.

 

[Cool Cats]

Angenette Levy
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Sep 17

Some of the photos from OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV from Friday. BCI SA Shane Hanshaw spent the day on the stand showing evidence collected from Chris Sr.'s home. Hanshaw isn't done yet. Back Monday. Photos: Doral Chenoweth
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In 4th photo, was it mentioned why BCI thinks the mountain dew can is significant?
I like this intense prosecutor in photo #2.
Example of alot of evidence in photo #1.

 

[LeftEyed]

Angenette Levy
@Angenette5
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Sep 17

Some of the photos from OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV from Friday. BCI SA Shane Hanshaw spent the day on the stand showing evidence collected from Chris Sr.'s home. Hanshaw isn't done yet. Back Monday. Photos: Doral Chenoweth
@DispatchAlerts

@OhioAG

@LawCrimeNetwork

In 4th photo, was it mentioned why BCI thinks the mountain dew can is significant?
I like this intense prosecutor in photo #2.
Example of alot of evidence in photo #1.

The can was outside and had Gary's DNA on it. After the prosecution entered the can as evidence, they entered three cig butts from the yard, all with Gary's DNA -- one butt still had the ash on it. Seems like they may want to show they were outside talking with Billy first.

 

[ohioexpat63]

Angenette Levy
@Angenette5
·
Sep 17

Some of the photos from OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV from Friday. BCI SA Shane Hanshaw spent the day on the stand showing evidence collected from Chris Sr.'s home. Hanshaw isn't done yet. Back Monday. Photos: Doral Chenoweth
@DispatchAlerts

@OhioAG

@LawCrimeNetwork

In 4th photo, was it mentioned why BCI thinks the mountain dew can is significant?
I like this intense prosecutor in photo #2.
Example of alot of evidence in photo #1.

I think the Mt Dew can and cig butts were the freshest and most recent. No signs of weather wear. They bag, tagged and ran the DNA and it came back as being GR. I think the prosecutors brought it up so the defense couldnt make a mountain of a molehill. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

The can was outside and had Gary's DNA on it. After the prosecution entered the can as evidence, they entered three cig butts from the yard, all with Gary's DNA -- one butt still had the ash on it. Seems like they may want to show they were outside talking with Billy first.

I think the Mt Dew can and cig butts were the freshest and most recent. No signs of weather wear. They bag, tagged and ran the DNA and it came back as being GR. I think the prosecutors brought it up so the defense couldnt make a mountain of a molehill. JMO

Thanks!