OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #73

[CIA Team Member]

You get a slam dunk life without parole on Jake. You get 30 years for Angela, who wasn't at any of the murder scenes. There is no risk at all that either of them would be acquitted. You get their testimony against the other two. Jake took the investigators to the guns. And taxpayers don't have to pay for 2 long death penalty trials. They should have made that deal all day long, every day. The goal is to put these murderers in prison. Two down without the expense of a trial, plus info and testimony.

BBM "...30 years for Angela, who wasn't at any of the murder scenes."
I still find this as significant.
GW4 did exactly as she did: bought a truck (instead of shoes.) BUT was physically in attendance (AW wasn't.) Conspiracy, is what will get him.
My useless 2 cents.

 

[Recidivist]

I am beyond confused, admittedly it doesn't take much, and I only caught the last bit of testimony, but I can't seem to match up the guns, caliber and which scene they were used at

Me too. I've listened to todays testimony twice, and after a while all I can hear is the voice of Charlie Brown's teacher. Waa Waa Waa. I am still waiting for the evidence to prove the elements of the crimes that George is charged with. In the meantime, the state is losing me.

 

[LMDlong]

I think that's what they're doing today. Laying the groundwork to link the ballistics evidence to the specific guns owned and used by the Wagners. The same ones found in the buckets, sunk in the pond at Flying W Farms. It's why the Wagners bought "brass catchers" hoping they wouldn't leave that evidence behind. But they did.

That's why the prosecution took the jurors out to FWF at the beginning of the trial. To the farm and to the pond. The weapons retrieved on FWF are key evidence that links the Wagners directly and indisputably to the murders.

I agree they are laying out the ground work. Going in order from the night of the murders, to the discovery of the bodies, BCI collections from the scenes, the ME reports and BCI results from their collections from the scenes . After everything is presented about the victims and the scenes next will come the shoe print expert and the evidence collected from the searches of the Wagner’s properties. But this is JMO.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Me too. I've listened to todays testimony twice, and after a while all I can hear is the voice of Charlie Brown's teacher. Waa Waa Waa. I am still waiting for the evidence to prove the elements of the crimes that George is charged with. In the meantime, the state is losing me.

Remember, during one of the defense objections of the victims pictures being shown when Dr Loomer was testifying AC responded that "it's the states burden to prove murder took place." She added "it wasn't the states fault there are 8 murders."
Therefore, up until now, this is what she's doing, laying out the murders that took place.

 

[Myland]

Jmo but does Jake really have a lot to lose if he gets on the stand and lies once again. His brother will be staring him down. What if he gets on stand and says George not there. I am sure he is getting info on this trial even with the court orders. I believe he will have a harder time testifying against his brother than testifying against this dad. Death penalty off the table for your brother but you are sending your brother away for life. It will be interesting to hear what Jake says but I don’t believe it will be the truth it will be a story with portions of truth weaved through it but not the full story.jmo

 

[Recidivist]

Remember, during one of the defense objections of the victims pictures being shown when Dr Loomer was testifying AC responded that "it's the states burden to prove murder took place." She added "it wasn't the states fault there are 8 murders."
Therefore, up until now, this is what she's doing, laying out the murders that took place.

I think they have proven the murders took place, and that the Wagners did it. But they need to prove that George took part in it. I haven't seen that proof yet. It seems like so much time spent in trying to prove whats already been proven. I realize in time, the proof might come, but how many jurors get lost on the way?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Good post Raisin! But, but, but he still was in on the planning and equipment gathering. Guilty as the rest.

And the revenge planning.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I think they have proven the murders took place, and that the Wagners did it. But they need to prove that George took part in it. I haven't seen that proof yet. It seems like so much time spent in trying to prove whats already been proven. I realize in time, the proof might come, but how many jurors get lost on the way?

I think the recordings of George's own words will be his downfall. moo

 

[GoBuckeyes]

And there's no glove! Thankfully, no glove.

Eh, the criminalists were incompetent, evidence got tainted, and there was a racist cop so the defense could discredit the prosecution's case. That's why OJ walked. And the defense attorneys were smarter while the prosecution played to the TV. None of that applies in this case.

 

[abeaman02]

I think the recordings of George's own words will be his downfall. moo

I agree

 

[rebelchild]

Evan Millward
@EvanMillward
PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Back form lunch break, Hamilton Co. chief deputy coroner Dr. Karen Looman returns to the stand.

She will testify to Kenneth Rhoden's injuries and autopsy results, as she has done for the prior 7 victims.

View attachment 368976

First, though, Rob Junk is questioning Dr. Looman about Hanna May Rhoden.

Says her head was pressed against the headboard of her bed when discovered.









link: https://twitter.com/evanmillward

snipped and BBM .. does anyone have any thoughts as to what this may be about concerning HMR? Must be important for Rob Junk to bring up in todays testimony.

 

[LMDlong]

snipped and BBM .. does anyone have any thoughts as to what this may be about concerning HMR? Must be important for Rob Junk to bring up in todays testimony.

Just a guess it could be to lend some credibility to JW’s confession. That JW was telling the truth that her repositioned her body.

 

[Betty P]

Jmo but does Jake really have a lot to lose if he gets on the stand and lies once again. His brother will be staring him down. What if he gets on stand and says George not there. I am sure he is getting info on this trial even with the court orders. I believe he will have a harder time testifying against his brother than testifying against this dad. Death penalty off the table for your brother but you are sending your brother away for life. It will be interesting to hear what Jake says but I don’t believe it will be the truth it will be a story with portions of truth weaved through it but not the full story.jmo

Jake will lose his plea deal if he lies. He’ll be back to facing the death penalty. He’ll be stuck on death row the rest of his life, much more restrictive and unpleasant than the general prison environment. Never gets to go outdoors, only an hour per day outside of his cell. No mingling with others or getting exercise.

Jake isn’t going to lie. That’s very rarely done and theres no benefit in doing so.

Whats’s really strange is seeing any benefit to letting GW4 out of jail.

 

[24Roses]

snipped and BBM .. does anyone have any thoughts as to what this may be about concerning HMR? Must be important for Rob Junk to bring up in todays testimony.

IMO, he was trying to establish that she wasn't laying like that when she was killed. It was said that JW moved her so that she could continue to breast feed her baby. IIRC, the coroner couldn't say if she was like that before she was killed or if she was moved; Dr. Looman would not be able to tell that.

 

[Betty P]

snipped and BBM .. does anyone have any thoughts as to what this may be about concerning HMR? Must be important for Rob Junk to bring up in todays testimony.

IIRC it was the defense attorney who first brought that up. Just another distraction or red herring.

Good point for Junk to make, though. Some of the information Jake gave in his confession may be hard for people to hear, but it’s true. He’s given the facts about a gruesome crime.

 

[The 13th]

Yikes... don't mention OJ's shoes. There is tape, pictures and evidence given that you owned those shoes.

OJ- No I didn't.
Jurors- OK, we believe you

OT - but to be fair, the photo evidence of OJ wearing shoes like that didn't come out until the civil trial.

 

[Niner]

for 9/26/22:

Evan Millward
@EvanMillward
·
11h
PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Matt White, from BCI, is a forensic firearms examiner.

Prosecutor Andrew Wilson is doing the questioning now.



White is certified as an expert in this case, with defense agreement.

He started in West Virginia, moved to Hamilton County coroner's office, then to BCI.

First image - that Hornady 40 S&W brand bullet deconstructed. Considered a jacketed hollow point.

Red polymor tip on it is meant for bullet to expand when it hits target.



White explains that hollow points are designed to create maximum damage.

This is centerfire cartridge - primer is in the center.



This is a 22 long rifle cartridge - rimfire. Lead bullets with brass sheen.

Doesn't mean it has to be fired out of a rifle. That name is generic - can be fired from a pistol, revolver, etc.



Here's another angle of the rimfire cartridge - this is a Remington.

For comparison.



White walks us through this diagram of a centerfire full metal jacketed 7.62x39mm round.

Considered a high-powered round associated with rifles.



Here's the 7.62x39 mm bullet White disassembled to show the jury



White is giving the jury a crash course in how a bullet is fired - and how a cartridge gets markings on it that he examines in the lab.



This is a Walther Colt 1911 22 pistol - firing the 22 LR ammunition White just showed the jury.

He is explaining how it fires.

Remember - this came up as being used at Chris Sr's property.



Corrects - it's the .40 caliber that is from Chris Sr's property - White just showed this taken from Chris Sr's floor.

[bare with me, juggling some other tasks, so I'm a bit in and out today]



link: https://twitter.com/evanmillward


continued...

 

[Niner]

Evan Millward
@EvanMillward
·
8h
PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Had to dip out of testimony off and on quite a bit today.

@FeliciaDawn906
has your wrap up on discussion of Kenneth Rhoden's property & death - and early look at the ballistic evidence




link: https://www.wcpo.com/news/pike-coun...eek-of-trial-moves-on-to-kenneth-rhodens-home


link: https://twitter.com/evanmillward

 

[Niner]

Tuesday, Sept. 27th:
*Trial continues (Day 12) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-10 (9/12 to 9/23/22) post #220 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-11
9/26/22 Monday, Trial Day 11: witnesses to be called for State.
for more info see posts #242, 244 here:
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State witness: George Edward Staley Jr., a BCI special agent; went to Kenny Rhoden's place.
for more info see posts #281, 284 & 287 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-15
State witness: Dr. Karen Looman from Hamilton Co. Coroner's Office returns to the stand to discuss Kenneth Rhoden's autopsy.
for more info see posts #298 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-15
State witnesses: Dr. Karen Looman. Matt White, from BCI, is a forensic firearms examiner.
for more info see posts #303 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-16
Kenneth Rhoden’s autopsy report – see post #306 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-16
State witness: Matt White, from BCI, a forensic firearms examiner.
for more info see post #352 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-18
for more info see posts #378 & 379 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-19
Trial continues on 9/27/22.

 

[Betty P]

Tuesday, Sept. 27th:
*Trial continues (Day 12) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-10 (9/12 to 9/23/22) post #220 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-11
9/26/22 Monday, Trial Day 11: witnesses to be called for State.
for more info see posts #242, 244 here:
OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #73[/URL]
State witness: George Edward Staley Jr., a BCI special agent; went to Kenny Rhoden's place.
for more info see posts #281, 284 & 287 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-15
State witness: Dr. Karen Looman from Hamilton Co. Coroner's Office returns to the stand to discuss Kenneth Rhoden's autopsy.
for more info see posts #298 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-15
State witnesses: Dr. Karen Looman. Matt White, from BCI, is a forensic firearms examiner.
for more info see posts #303 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-16
Kenneth Rhoden’s autopsy report – see post #306 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-16
State witness: Matt White, from BCI, a forensic firearms examiner.
for more info see post #352 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-18
for more info see posts #378 & 379 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-73.637705/page-19
Trial continues on 9/27/22.

Thank you so much, Niner! These summaries are so helpful during this trial!