OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #75

[Betty P]

The Wags had a 22 long rifle cartridge on the utility shelf by the front door. As you do.

Rifle casings on the carpet.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Would you rather AC just tell the jury that the family dynamic was one for all, etc. and expected that to carry the day or subsequent days without any foundation, examples or background of that dynamic?? You hearing everything so far, would you have imagined what you know now?

AC has not gotten to the Ws as suspects yet. She may be slow but we've got all the time in the world for her to complete her case, she's asking questions, covering details that I would want to ask if I could.

The defense will object any time it gets too close to the truth and to throw the witness and flow/timing off. Nash is an unprofessional bully and a sore loser because he knows deep down he ain't gonna win this one.

ACs red herrings in the case will bring the miracle I believe. The jury may hate both AW and JW and have you thought that maybe AC doesn't need or care about their credibility? If they testify truthfully per the proffer, great. If they lie or testify differently, so be it. Maybe she hopes or is confident that they won't or can't stick to the proffer and knew that from the beginning. All 4 may end up with the DP.

She has AW and JW convicted for now and combined with all of the info from this trial, GW4 will spend a good amount of time in prison. You write as though GW4 will skate from all of his 22 charges, I doubt that. For me, I don't need to know who killed who. The 8 victims are dead. This family, all 4 of these twisted minds came up with, prepared and covered up a plan to kill 8 innocent people.

And George would not NEED to be any of the scenes to go down for the Aggravated Murder, Conspiracy, and other charges. He just has to aid the commission of those crimes, e.g., buying or making silencers, buying the murder truck, etc. Angela got 30 years and wasn't at any of the scenes.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I don't see that at all. In every complex trial I have watched, apparently disconnected evidence is tied up neatly with a bow during closing arguments. It is a beautiful thing to see. Imo.

This is what I expect. The closing is where it becomes a story and not just info and data.

 

[iridized]

I know nothing about guns and bullets. Are the bullets dangerous just sitting around? For instance, a child picking one up and hitting it against something?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I have my doubts otherwise we would be hearing them already, if they were strong evidence, we still wouldn't be rehashing the HR JW issues, if state has good solid evidence on the wiretaps, then that would be far more probative than what they were starting off with this afternoon

but I hope they do have GW making admissions of his involvement it will start the trial actually moving into the case against GW and the evidence they have against him

The wiretaps will come soon if they are now looking at the Wagners texts to each other.

 

[Betty P]

Exhibit AA 45 struck from the record. Disregard testimony re AA 45.

Remington .22 long rifle cartridges in the kitchen cabinet, next to the iced tea glasses.

These photos are from the 2017 search of Peterson Rd. They interviewed Billy in summer of 2016.

 

[justtrish]

I wish everyone saw that this is a complex crime and the state has to show that this wasn't a rush to judgment against the Wagners. This testimony undercuts the "it's about the drugs" or "it's about cockfighting" or "it's about some boogeyman somewhere." The prosecution has to establish that crimes were committed, the nature of those crimes, the forensics and why the suspects were suspects.

I totally agree. I enjoy all of the testimony. I am glad that the young ladies that are victims of this family got to take the stand and tell their story. It does have value in this case. Many people knew about the custody issues. Hannah isn't hear to speak so others can speak for her. They are showing this isn't a snap decision to kill everyone, this was brewing for a year and the planning at least since Jan 2016. There is so much to it!

I even think George in some ways is a victim in this story. It is sad and we can't know all he reasons or what is going on in his head because he hasn't talked, didn't come forward with evidence against his family and so far has kept quiet. He has that right, but I think it would go far for him if he did speak. If he had came forward and said what he knew. If he really didn't shoot anyone and was along to protect Jake, he could have said that. He might have a 30 year deal right now instead of his mother and possibly some public support because how he grew up is twisted and his brain has to be all messed up. We have heard favorable testimony for George and that makes it all the more sad. People that knew him to be kind have a hard time believing he did this and that is probably true. We never really know what is going on behind closed doors and thankfully in this case we have some women that "got out" and spoke up before this crime and after.

 

[ColMustard]

The Wags had a 22 long rifle cartridge on the utility shelf by the front door. As you do.

Rifle casings on the carpet.

Lost my connection just as they showed that, came back with the judge striking one .45 cal cartridge from the record. grrrr

 

[ColMustard]

I know nothing about guns and bullets. Are the bullets dangerous just sitting around? For instance, a child picking one up and hitting it against something?

It's possible, but it would be more danger from burns. The bullet can't travel with velocity without being fired from a chamber and through a barrel. That only happens in movies.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Doesn’t the Judge keep asking for foundation?
I don’t think Prosecution would have been granted a subpoena for wiretaps without foundation. This now, is foundation to look deeper into the Wagners. Wiretaps will be interesting.

This is what all of us have to remember. Every piece of evidence has to have a foundation. The who, what, when, where and how the witness knows the information. It's EIGHT MURDERS. George is in a death penalty trial, unless Jake's proffer holds up. And neither the judge nor the prosecution wants this guilt verdict overturned on appeal.

 

[Betty P]

It's possible, but it would be more danger from burns. The bullet can't travel with velocity without being fired from a chamber and through a barrel. That only happens in movies.

Would it not be good, though, if a toddler tossed it into the campfire while roasting hot dogs with grandma, right?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Jake asked about Brently, if he possibly saw anything and if he was questioned by LE...just so evil

This horrifies me.

 

[sunshineray]

I know nothing about guns and bullets. Are the bullets dangerous just sitting around? For instance, a child picking one up and hitting it against something?

Swallow hazard for sure...and ya shouldn't be bringing it outside and say bang it with a rock or something like that.

 

[ColMustard]

Would it not be good, though, if a toddler tossed it into the campfire while roasting hot dogs with grandma, right?

Not at all good, it's going to pop and blow sparks and hot coals like a shower. The same thing can happen if you place a rock in the fire.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

and a text message back and forth with BW, I am liking the defense challenging everything, what have they to lose, jury cannot consider defense attys conduct so they should make the state prove everything and only be allowed to use probative not overly prejudicial evidence

They "can't" use defense attorney conduct but as humans they know they are hiding something.

 

[iridized]

Swallow hazard for sure...and ya shouldn't be bringing it outside and say bang it with a rock or something like that.

would it blow up (for lack of correct term)?

 

[justtrish]

They "can't" use defense attorney conduct but as humans they know they are hiding something.

This is why it's odd to me for the defense to object to things they know will get admitted into evidence. Now they just highlighted something and the jury can see it all even if it's not used to determine guilt/innocence, it's sure is highlighting some things when it's admitted and it looks damning for the person on trial. Damning evidence + lots of defense objections = humm wonder why this is so important.

 

[Pru2U]

Would it not be good, though, if a toddler tossed it into the campfire while roasting hot dogs with grandma, right?

My imagination says Angela did the housekeeping & laundry and was accustomed to her “boys” leaving random items on available flat surfaces & in their pockets (including ammunition) - which is why she might automatically put them up high (shelf) or in a kitchen cabinet to keep them out of reach of little hands.

Because, you know, that’s what “The World’s Best Mom” does.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

This is why it's odd to me for the defense to object to things they know will get admitted into evidence. Now they just highlighted something and the jury can see it all even if it's not used to determine guilt/innocence, it's sure is highlighting some things when it's admitted and it looks damning for the person on trial. Damning evidence + lots of defense objections = humm wonder why this is so important.

They just want grounds--any grounds--for appeal.

 

[ohioexpat63]

They just want grounds--any grounds--for appeal.

I think they just want one juror, so yhey can wash their hands and allow another team in for the second trial