OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #75

[rsd1200]

I suppose with gun powder it's a possibility? Definitely like others have said about throwing it in campfire could lead to tragedy.

There is a fella from here in Ky., who liked to make YT vids at his range. He was using 50 caliber tracer ammo. It went through a fire hydrant in one clip. One round had too much powder (he didn't make his own ammo), and it exploded. He nearly died. Another fella made his own ammo for years, the black powder he used went up, and so did the entire house with him in it. I'd not throw ammo in a campfire but even an empty aluminum can, with a screw on top, can do some damage if tossed into a campfire.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BIBM
I think that he and JW both are victims but, being a victim doesn't mean you don't know right from wrong. After reading that JW's ex wife was accused of molesting one of the children and then "voted out" of the family, (I'd not heard the molestation accusation), I see a recurring pattern. Seems AW had a fear of something like that happening to the children. The young lady who testified prior to T., had been molested, as had T., and there was the incident with ole man R, who actually went to prison and GR divorced him, but stayed nearby (iirc). AW leaves OH to go into the military but can't cut it? I believe? Comes back home and marries pretty quickly. Has some pretty odd, even by rather strict religions, stances on procreation. Most will at least allow the rhythm method. I've begun to wonder if something very traumatic happened in her childhood/youth. However, murder is still very wrong, and what they did was horrific, and she still belongs in prison.

Don't forget Hannah was also sexually molested at a young age by a family friend. That is one of the things in Angie or Jakes proffers. That Hannah had been sexually molested by a family friend and the R's did nothing about it so they worried about SW.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

People don't realize the huge cognitive load it is to do this 5 hours a day, framing questions, dealing with the defense objecting to everything. Yesterday, it was not easy to interview TC, who is clearly still experiencing life trauma and had to relive a lot of difficult things yesterday. It's also not easy to pay attention to all of this information. (This is why many white collar crimes go unprotected; it's very difficult to lay out days of complex, detaiIed information over a period of weeks. I think Canepa is doing a good job. I think we have lots of old Law and Order episodes where the evidence takes 10 minutes to outline and then...bam...guilty.

I thought she did a wonderful job with both T and the young lady, S, before her. She was in her stride those days. I felt she could have brought out a couple of things that could have made it easier on T, but, $%^& like that does happen, unfortunately.

 

[rsd1200]

BW sounds like he has a mouthful of cud.

He was using the sheriff shooting as an example how corrupt PCSO was/is, IMO. He kept mentioning how corrupt they were/are providing examples at different times. That audio was painful to listen.

Let me tell you something,......pause to think up a lie I suspect....those GD MFers....blah, blah, blah

Imo

I thought it would never end. I understood him but when they said he wasn't the mastermind, in the beginning of all this, I do believe that to be true.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

The W4 had to have known they would need to declare the firearms when crossing the Canadian border. I suspect they were mostly left in Ohio.

Canadian border rules regarding firearms

Firearms and weapons: Canadian border requirements

What you need to know when crossing the Canadian border with firearms, weapons or related parts and accessories.

www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

JMO

We got a butter knife we were using to chop up the dogs canned food with and some pepper spray confiscated crossing the Canadian border but were allowed to take a shotgun in.

The federales almost arrested us for taking a BB gun into Mexico but they said we could have brought a machete in, no problemo.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Good call. I doubt the Wagners wanted to bring a @#$%& load of guns over the Canadian border and since they hid the murder guns at FWF they probably stashed their other guns over there in an out building or way back buried somewhere.

I don't believe Billy when he told his AK neighbor he only had one shotgun.

That's all we were allowed to take across Canada on our way to AK.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

George did get an honorable mention today. The BCI agent said he excused himself and went into the house. Then they threw up a text he sent to Billy and a list of the guns Jake said he owned. Let's all cross our fingers we hear more about George tomorrow. Like a BDay gift from the jury. "Happy Birthday George, here is my gift, it's a guilty on all counts verdict."

JMO

And they bring out Mommy or little-bro to testify...

 

[ohioexpat63]

I thought it would never end. I understood him but when they said he wasn't the mastermind, in the beginning of all this, I do believe that to be true.

I understood him as well. It was painful with all the cursing, as if it bolstered his credibility.

I cant see him planning anything either. AW was probably the final approval authority, with BW being BW.

I thought I heard him say at one point he only finished the 6th grade. I could be wrong on thst point

 

[iamthewalrus]

There is a place south of where I live called Goofy Ridge. They talk exactly like Billy Wagner. We are not in the south at all and yet they speak Hillbilly. Let me tell you something is always the opening line. Repeating their crap over and over. Must be the universal language of white trash.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Who is on trial here?
BBM

This.

JMO

This lead me to believe that JW was definitely in FR's and HHG's home that night, and likely their murderer.

To me, today was about showing why the Wags went to the top of the suspect list, from the gun list to Billy's behavior and the lies he told in the interview to things like Jake asking what Brentley saw.

It's worth remembering that George is the one Wagner that has doesn't have a OBVIOUS connection to the murders. Jake confessed to killing 5 people and has the obvious motive against the Rhodens. Billy is the means of getting CR Sr. out of his house to shoot him. Angela (and her mother, yet to testify) is all up in the counterfeit custody papers, ordering shoes, and monitoring Hanna's FB. The defense made the idiotic point that LE didn't collect George's phone. But they don't need it because what the state wants to show is the conspiracy, so when they take Jake and Billy's phones, they get all the messages that George sent (like his warning to Billy that LE was on site) and the gun list. What THAT shows is George as part of the larger conspiracy, along with two people who have CONFESSED and another one we heard lying and obfuscating and acting like a douche in a police interview today. That's what we need--George working with the others to plan, execute and coverup the murders. And the foundation for that comes with the way he let his mother run his marriage. If he would let her control his sex life, his wife, and his child, how would he not be part of this big murder plan?

 

[rsd1200]

Jmo one thing I did catch in Billy’s interview was, can you really picture him being quiet and sneaking up on someone? They asked him something about being able to get in car or something. Didn’t he say he had broke his back in Oct or sometime? He just didn’t come across as the quiet no one sees me kinda guy.

I think he could be a quiet guy, but was quite nervous, and he was blessed with a voice that is not easy on the ear. He'd probably rather been anywhere than in that cop car.

 

[rsd1200]

Don't forget Hannah was also sexually molested at a young age by a family friend. That is one of the things in Angie or Jakes proffers. That Hannah had been sexually molested by a family friend and the R's did nothing about it so they worried about SW.

JMO

I had forgotten. I do want to point out that this is not unique to Ohio nor Appalachia. It is absolutely beyond belief the number of people, who have had something terrible happen to them, like this. Some much worse than others but it always, always, leaves behind a mental wound.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Don't forget Hannah was also sexually molested at a young age by a family friend. That is one of the things in Angie or Jakes proffers. That Hannah had been sexually molested by a family friend and the R's did nothing about it so they worried about SW.

JMO

I don't think they really worried about this in the way that you or I would do. I think they like these young victimized girls who were sexually exploited as children because it was easier to get them to marry and have kids so young. There was a sense that the parents might allow the Wagners to annex the girls and control them. Someone (Angela) who would allow an 11 year old girl to share a bed with a boy over 13 is not really worried about sexual exploitation of children. These girls had been sort of pre-groomed for the Wagners. And for what it's worth, Angela's extreme interest and involvement in her sons' bedroom activities is in the same book if not on the same page as incest (not the "same" but related). Absolutely just my opinion.

I think the Wagners claim to be worried about sex abuse in order to argue that the kids are better off in their family--even though there was no evidence that Hanna would have let her abuser near her child and we saw conclusively that Tabitha sacrificed to keep Bulvine away from her stepdad. And of course yelping "sex abuse" kept people from looking at what Angela was doing.

It was probably a big surprise to Angela that these girls who had suffered early abuse and were then exploited by her family were not too beaten down to rebel against being controlled by the Wagner cult.

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

I was amazed by the accent. To me, that was a heavy accent, and I live in the south. He was spewing nonsense though, and lots of it.

As my brother says, that old boy's eyes light up when two brain cells accidently bang into each other.

 

[justtrish]

I'm curious how Billy felt dragging bodies with a recently broken back? Back broken in Oct, murder spree in April where he is dragging bodies and in Sept he has trouble getting into a car because of his back troubles?

I think ole George was needed that night for another reason being Billy was not up to par.

 

[The 13th]

Correct. At the time of that 2016 interview with Billy (the one we heard today), he seemed to know the amount, or at least what he claimed was owed to him by Chris. BCI didn't respond to his comments about the safe when he brought that up in the interview. I'm sure that raised a red flag to the agents that day.

Rumors about there being a safe in Chris's trailer began circulating on social media within several months of the murders, before BCI said anything about them. IIRC, there wasn't anything about a safe in the discovery docs, either.

I remember there being something about a receipt for transporting or hauling a safe. I think it was around the time they moved the homes. It'll have to be JMO because I wouldn't even know where to start looking to find the mention of the receipt at this point.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I thought she did a wonderful job with both T and the young lady, S, before her. She was in her stride those days. I felt she could have brought out a couple of things that could have made it easier on T, but, $%^& like that does happen, unfortunately.

Agree. If Tabitha had been a different kind of witness, more willing to connect dots on her own, it might have been easier (and more effective) for TC to get on the table herself all the stuff the defense would see as weapons.

 

[ohioexpat63]

I think this was all about fear, intimidation, and eventually control of young teens via the babies. When HR stood her ground, like the Rhoden men, the W4 clan hashed out a plan, at the round table, and cleaned out the hollow.

BW probably had his own personal agenda, as ChrisSr was shot 9 times, where as KR was shot once. Jmo

 

[ohioexpat63]

I'm curious how Billy felt dragging bodies with a recently broken back? Back broken in Oct, murder spree in April where he is dragging bodies and in Sept he has trouble getting into a car because of his back troubles?

I think ole George was needed that night for another reason being Billy was not up to par.

Ole BW needs to be concerned about broke back mountain once he enters the big house. I don't believe he will find friends amongst murderers and theives as a snitch.

 

[ColMustard]

There is a place south of where I live called Goofy Ridge. They talk exactly like Billy Wagner. We are not in the south at all and yet they speak Hillbilly. Let me tell you something is always the opening line. Repeating their crap over and over. Must be the universal language of white trash.

If I drive 70 miles south, everyone sounds like they're in the deep south. If I drive 70 miles north, everyone thinks I'm from the deep south.