OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[rsd1200]

Well, had to rewind a few times during breaks and such, but i think I'm caught up. I am going to be lazy, and ask, before I try to dig; Does anyone remember that someone in the vicinity of the W4, had asked not to be identified, but said that one or both of the W boys had asked him about making suppressors? (This may be a false memory but it's stuck around in my head all these years)

 

[rsd1200]

We have several as well. I must say I never knew one could make a silencer from one. I did however have thoughts about it serving another purpose and that would be to hit someone over the head if they broke in or if I needed to defend myself. Those suckers are heavy!

I'd heard of folks attempting to use them for silencers, but I'm like you, head knockers for self defense, would seem to be a better use!

 

[Pru2U]

BW may or may not have "broke" his back but I think it's probably safe to say he suffered from back pain. Or at minimum, he claimed he did. Billy claimed a lot of things.

Does it really matter who MOVED the bodies? IMO, all that matters is the jury believes WHO WAS INSIDE CR’s HOUSE. Whoever was in the house was a party to the murders. Full stop.

As of now, all we (and the jury) have is shoe print evidence plus what we heard in opening statements as to who the prosecution believes was in the house: BW, JW, and GW.

Maybe the state can't physically put GW's foot in those shoes, inside CR's house but what they HAVE shown is 1) the footprints matched the sku # of the shoes on the receipt, the receipt found in W-4 family possessions, 2) the receipt matched the video placing Angela at Wal-Mart making the purchase and 3) that video (plus AW's statement during questioning in Montana) placed GW & JW in the vehicle, in the Wal-Mart parking lot, when Angela made the purchase.

Yes, the shoe print is circumstantial evidence but it's pretty darn solid circumstantial evidence nonetheless.

MOO.

 

[Pru2U]

My apologizes, I meant Billy's mom FW. I was thinking of her already testifying and why haven't we heard from Billy's mom and then I typed the wrong initials! Thank you for noticing. I'll edit my original post.

Is FW on the witness list?

Where is that list, anyway? Where can I find it?

 

[justtrish]

I'd heard of folks attempting to use them for silencers, but I'm like you, head knockers for self defense, would seem to be a better use!

Oh my forever going to be referred to as head knockers now! Thanks for the laugh!

 

[justtrish]

Is FW on the witness list?

Where is that list, anyway? Where can I find it?

She is! Its why she hasn't been in court to this point. Fredericka, Robin, I believe Billy's brother, Angela's mom, Angela's brother. I'll see if I can find the original list that was posted. Of course not all of those on the list have to be called and it could have been strategic for a just in case we want to call them and keep them out of the court room type deal.

 

[StrangeOne]

This has always been awful horrific in my mind but to read HR was moved so her baby could still nurse off her was more than I could handle. I cannot even imagine what the family is going through! I am going to go back through this thread and all the closed ones to see what I have missed. Have they posted the autopsies of all the family members or just CRs and GR?

 

[LMDlong]

BW may or may not have "broke" his back but I think it's probably safe to say he suffered from back pain. Or at minimum, he claimed he did. Billy claimed a lot of things.

Does it really matter who MOVED the bodies? IMO, all that matters is the jury believes WHO WAS INSIDE CR’s HOUSE. Whoever was in the house was a party to the murders. Full stop.

As of now, all we (and the jury) have is shoe print evidence plus what we heard in opening statements as to who the prosecution believes was in the house: BW, JW, and GW.

Maybe the state can't physically put GW's foot in those shoes, inside CR's house but what they HAVE shown is 1) the footprints matched the sku # of the shoes on the receipt, the receipt found in W-4 family possessions, 2) the receipt matched the video placing Angela at Wal-Mart making the purchase and 3) that video (plus AW's statement during questioning in Montana) placed GW & JW in the vehicle, in the Wal-Mart parking lot, when Angela made the purchase.

Yes, the shoe print is circumstantial evidence but it's pretty darn solid circumstantial evidence nonetheless.

MOO.

I agree and would like to add that the finally statement of the ATF agent sealed the conspiracy theory on GW4. That the parts purchased even a washer was to build a suppressor, which is illegal (Not exact words). They proved the items & who bought them . IMO

 

[Pru2U]

This has always been awful horrific in my mind but to read HR was moved so her baby could still nurse off her was more than I could handle. I cannot even imagine what the family is going through! I am going to go back through this thread and all the closed ones to see what I have missed. Have they posted the autopsies of all the family members or just CRs and GR?

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[rsd1200]

I'd figured FW and RW would be called. I'd forgotten about the gifting of the truck. I wonder if, in addition to their Uncle RW, they'll call their cousin KW? Wasn't it KW, that G4, was supposed to have gifted the truck? I'd be livid. I'd also be feel so humiliated to have to face the R/HHG families. Makes me wonder if he/they had some sort of ill feelings toward her and her family. It sure doesn't seem like a gracious act.

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

I think the group thinking allowed them to plan this, it sounded perfect in their minds and solved problems they thought they had. Just elimate everyone. It's easy to stay clear headed before you commit the crimes, but I wonder if the actual committing of the crimes then created lots of paranoia and poor thinking through. Good for LE and the prosecution that it seemed to go downhill after the fact, but the good planning before helped them go undetected for a while. I guess we might hear some of the thinking when Jake and Angela testify.

Yeah. They did plan enough that they were not arrested immediately after the murders. But someone a way back on this thread mentioned they thought they could get away with it when it was only the small town LE doing the investigating. That post got me thinking if Sherrif Raeder did not call in help that first day, they might have been overwhelmed and this case might not have been solved. I think once BCI and the state of ohio brought their resources into the picture it changed the dynamic. With BCI in the picture their mistakes slowly started to get exposed.

 

[rsd1200]

This has always been awful horrific in my mind but to read HR was moved so her baby could still nurse off her was more than I could handle. I cannot even imagine what the family is going through! I am going to go back through this thread and all the closed ones to see what I have missed. Have they posted the autopsies of all the family members or just CRs and GR?

That really bothered me too. I had a hard time, too, with the testimony of Agent Fortner, when he was talking about the scene at FR's and HHG's as well. He'd testified about her nursing bra being unclipped and about blood between her and Frankie, and smears on HHG's body, would indicate that the baby had been nursing when she was murdered. I don't even have words to describe what's in my mind.

 

[Myland]

Jmo but the accountant and the state proved today that Angela and Jake bought the items

 

[twall]

I'd figured FW and RW would be called. I'd forgotten about the gifting of the truck. I wonder if, in addition to their Uncle RW, they'll call their cousin KW? Wasn't it KW, that G4, was supposed to have gifted the truck? I'd be livid. I'd also be feel so humiliated to have to face the R/HHG families. Makes me wonder if he/they had some sort of ill feelings toward her and her family. It sure doesn't seem like a gracious act.

Yes and BW's uncle or cousin the truck was purchased from.

From the state's opening-

You will hear that, Billy overheard his cousin saying or his uncle saying that he was selling a car and he was talking to that.

Silas Wagner is his name. He was talking to another individual and said that he would sell this truck that he had for $2500. And Billy said, we'll buy it. And that was one day. And then shortly thereafter, Silas will tell you that Jake and George and Angela came up to his property and gave him the $2500 for that truck.

 

[Myland]

Jmo I also found it surprising the state acted like the one filter or thing was purchased for a suppressor when in reality George owned a truck that item could be used for and other items were bought at same time for the same truck. Not cool! Maybe I shouldn’t say not cool, but is definitely concerning. Jmo

 

[StrangeOne]

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[Caylee Advocate]

Well, had to rewind a few times during breaks and such, but i think I'm caught up. I am going to be lazy, and ask, before I try to dig; Does anyone remember that someone in the vicinity of the W4, had asked not to be identified, but said that one or both of the W boys had asked him about making suppressors? (This may be a false memory but it's stuck around in my head all these years)

The only thing I recall about suppressors was in this article.


"In between engine roars and the crunch of metal, Joe, who works as a mechanist, said investigators actually paid him a visit. They’d heard he’d helped a friend make some silencers, which he had, and which his friend is legally registered to do. While the dirt flew in all directions and the air turned into fumes, Joe mentioned, too, that his kin actually lived on Union Hill Rd. He’d put in a word for me."

Eight unsolved murders in Pike County, Ohio

The murder of the Rhoden family was a brutal tragedy that seemed straight out of an Appalachian noir. Two years later, no one knows why it happened.

theoutline.com

 

[rebelchild]

Just now catching up on todays testimony .. I have to say .. Our "Clark Kent" prosecutor was on fire today

 

[rebelchild]

Oh and Nash's "yeahhh, yeahhh" is so annoying

 

[justtrish]

I'd figured FW and RW would be called. I'd forgotten about the gifting of the truck. I wonder if, in addition to their Uncle RW, they'll call their cousin KW? Wasn't it KW, that G4, was supposed to have gifted the truck? I'd be livid. I'd also be feel so humiliated to have to face the R/HHG families. Makes me wonder if he/they had some sort of ill feelings toward her and her family. It sure doesn't seem like a gracious act.

I don't think we've heard from the people the W's bought the truck from or those that they gifted it too.

I do wonder if those he gifted it too called in a tip ever?

Remember the BCI requesting info on vehicles of the Wagner's about the 1 year mark? I also think the timing being so odd, I would have thought twice about my uncle gifting me a truck the exact day 8 murders are committed and before the sun came up at that. Was that not at all suspicious especially if they never discussed Billy getting her a vehicle? Maybe it's just after the fact it seems so much more suspicious, but I'd like to think if a relative of mine showed up at my house to gift me or one of my children a vehicle before the sun came up and on the same day 8 people are discovered murdered and my relative knew all 8 of them.. were there any red flags?