OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

[rsd1200]

IMO if she was submitting to her husband's will, Billy would've been sleeping in her bed instead of her grandchildren.

Unless she had a grandchild sleeping with her, it was pre-arranged, or he agreed that procreation was the way to go. He had side women.

 

[Tena]

Didn't Jake testify that he tried to wipe the blood from the shoe print? Another cover for George?? Also, so FW wanted to cover for AW by saying she purchased the shoes for Billy's dad?? Just when did FW know? Wow oh wow..

 

[Chelly]

I think he's sunk. She feels great remorse of the loss of her boys and their days before girls all got involved. She tried so hard to shield them from the world and its evils. (This is just how all the takes are reading in my mind right now

I hope he is sunk. Holding my breath waiting for tweet reporting of Defense's cross examination of AW. We should be seeing something on twitter soon.

 

[rsd1200]

I can certainly see your point of view...I think they're all a bunch of numb skulls and thank goodness for that! As far as having any sympathy or empathy for those murdered or their loved ones...I remain unconvinced there's any. AJMO

The only remorse is that they were caught. I see none thus far in any of the three. Did you ever hear of the Scorpion and The Frog? G3 is next and his scorpion tatt may have multiple meanings, at least in the end. It sits upon his arm just as the one sat upon the frog's head.

 

[rsd1200]

I've said a few times now: George is not grasping what "conspiracy" is. Whereas, seems AW has finally accepted that.
JMO
The jurors have to grasp the definition of conspiracy to convict as that's what George is charged with.

I think they'll get it. I'm in an armchair position but I certainly can see it now. I know now why we heard so much about those D#$% shoes and the print!!! Hallelujah!!!

 

[LMDlong]

Oh, really? She's devastated by him telling some percentage of the truth...

She needs to multiple that feeling by a million to feel what the victims families feel. IMO

 

[justtrish]

Didn't AW initially say that they did not talk about the murders afterwards, but now she says GW told her that he left a foot print? Smh

I took the previous statement about not talking about it to mean in general. They didn't sit around daily and talk about it. They knew talking about it could get them in trouble because they thought phones were tapped, their house was bugged, etc. They avoided making incriminating statements that LE could use, because they didn't talk about it. I don't think that means ever at all period. They likely had moments come up when something was on the news, or they got calls from BCI or interviewed, etc. She says when the news released something about their being a footprint, George said it was his. That may have been all that was said at that time. So I wouldn't say they were talking about it then, just something he told her when they saw the news report.

I do think them not talking about it likely kept them out of the limelight longer. They didn't allow themselves to get overly paranoid about it and mess up. It seemed to work until it didn't. BCI was not going to be fooled and they diligently picked away at it until they had them.

 

[justtrish]

Unless she had a grandchild sleeping with her, it was pre-arranged, or he agreed that procreation was the way to go. He had side women.

BBM and thanks to Beth's testimony we know eactly the nature of the side women. LOL I wonder if Angela will get to hear that detail later.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Another great point, Betty P.

Jake testified the intended target was Hanna. He testified CR, FR, CRjr & KR were killed out of fear of future retaliation. The rest were killed simply because they were there or might know who did it.

While none of us heard his testimony first hand, I'm of the opinion if Jake had testified he killed anyone (or everyone) because of what they had done to his little girl, the reporters would have reported it. Same for AW's testimony. According to testimony thus far, not one person died for (suspicion of) hurting that child. Not one.

There was no testimony about it from Jake. As much as most on here hate him, I will say... most of the time he WAS a good father, and IMO he did, does, and always will love his daughter.

 

[Dudly]

Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, hey hey hey, goodbye

The ship GWIV was gonna sail into the sunset done sunk…

 

[Caylee Advocate]

How old will Angela Wagner be in 30 years? About 82? Prison takes a lot of years off a person's life. She likely will die in prison. I consider her plea deal same as LWOP and I'm glad she's testifying against George in exchange for the "gift" of 30 years (life) in prison. I think her testimony is even more valuable than JW's. opinion only.

IMO, deduct 4 years (or more) from the 30 years.

 

[Chelly]

IMO, deduct 4 years (or more) from the 30 years.

For time already served? OK. If she lives a healthy, happy life in prison, she will only be 78 years old when released. She can throw herself a party.

 

[Myland]

Jmo about Angela testimony, from what I read she had no remorse at all. Keep in mind she is George’s mother and grandmother to B. She worried herself to death about B according to her. I don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth. It seems she went above and beyond to give evidence as George being there. To the point of over the top. Like she did in everything she did. Even stating he said that was his shoe print. I don’t believe that. To me it is all about saving her own life. She was giving prosecutors anything she could to get her sentence down. This is obvious with her testimony. It would be different if she had remorse and wanted to make it right for her grand babies, but she doesn’t. She had to say what she did to get it down to 30 years. She isn’t testifying for those grandchildren, she isn’t testifying to get right with her God, she isn’t testifying to help the people left behind. I don’t think she is capable of loving anyone other than herself. George offered to take the blame, really he had the same offer right after Jakes proffer. Her own mother would be in prison if she had her way. Yes it is nice to believe her because George has to be guilty right, but is the juror going to be like others in Angela life and follow her over the edge or will they see what she really is. And to believe her is to believe it all I don’t feel I can pick and choose so I choose not to. Jmo

 

[rsd1200]

My recollection is that JW testified that they did not talk about the murders afterwards. Please anyone correct me if this is incorrect. IMO

I remember that but, I am thinking as a regular thing. Surely to God they talked about it once or twice but she claims she did not know who shot who. Maybe if she didn't know, she couldn't be caught up in a lie detector. Do you know who shot Dana Rhoden? no. (true).

 

[justtrish]

Jmo about Angela testimony, from what I read she had no remorse at all. Keep in mind she is George’s mother and grandmother to B. She worried herself to death about B according to her. I don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth. It seems she went above and beyond to give evidence as George being there. To the point of over the top. Like she did in everything she did. Even stating he said that was his shoe print. I don’t believe that. To me it is all about saving her own life. She was giving prosecutors anything she could to get her sentence down. This is obvious with her testimony. It would be different if she had remorse and wanted to make it right for her grand babies, but she doesn’t. She had to say what she did to get it down to 30 years. She isn’t testifying for those grandchildren. I don’t think she is capable of loving anyone other than herself. George offered to take the blame, really he had the same offer right after Jakes proffer. Her own mother would be in prison if she had her way. Yes it is nice to believe her because George has to be guilty right, but is the juror going to be like others in Angela life and follow her over the edge or will they see what she really is. And to believe her is to believe it all I don’t feel I can pick and choose so I choose not to. Jmo

I actually can see George saying that. When we listen to him on those tapes he is going on and on and on. He might be quite and seem reserved in court, but on those tapes he was screaming at Bulvine, he was blabbing away to his mother about BCI following him. I believe it was Jake that said they tried to clean up that blood. I think they knew prints were left and it wouldn't surprise me if George told his mother that it was his. We heard Tabatah say she would leave the room so Angela could come in and rub his back and talk about his day. I think George and Angela were close. I think both her boys were close with her.

As for her other statements. I don't know that she is lying, I think what she says is a load of crap, but it very well could be the load of crap she believes. I posted earlier today that it doesn't make sense to us, but somehow they got to the point of murdering 8 people. She justified it somehow in her head. It's possible she believes everything she is saying. So I don't know that lying is the right word for her testimony.

I think she could have "lied" in many other ways by saying they told her who killed who, or who did what. She didn't do that. I think George saying the print was his could have happened because that was in the news and he liked to talk to his momma.

As for him saying he could take the blame, I can see that too. Remember Beth saying they talked about different scenarios. if so and so and so and so are arrested, we do this, who gets the kids, etc. I could see part of that being, what if I just take the blame? Then discussion about how that wouldn't work and they move on. To be fair the prosecution wasn't likely asking if Jake made incriminating statements or if Billy did, etc. We don't know that they didn't discuses each of them taking the blame at some point.

 

[Myland]

I actually can see George saying that. When we listen to him on those tapes he is going on and on and on. He might be quite and seem reserved in court, but on those tapes he was screaming at Bulvine, he was blabbing away to his mother about BCI following him. I believe it was Jake that said they tried to clean up that blood. I think they knew prints were left and it wouldn't surprise me if George told his mother that it was his. We heard Tabatah say she would leave the room so Angela could come in and rub his back and talk about his day. I think George and Angela were close. I think both her boys were close with her.

As for her other statements. I don't know that she is lying, I think what she says is a load of crap, but it very well could be the load of crap she believes. I posted earlier today that it doesn't make sense to us, but somehow they got to the point of murdering 8 people. She justified it somehow in her head. It's possible she believes everything she is saying. So I don't know that lying is the right word for her testimony.

I think she could have "lied" in many other ways by saying they told her who killed who, or who did what. She didn't do that. I think George saying the print was his could have happened because that was in the news and he liked to talk to his momma.

As for him saying he could take the blame, I can see that too. Remember Beth saying they talked about different scenarios. if so and so and so and so are arrested, we do this, who gets the kids, etc. I could see part of that being, what if I just take the blame? Then discussion about how that wouldn't work and they move on. To be fair the prosecution wasn't likely asking if Jake made incriminating statements or if Billy did, etc. We don't know that they didn't discuses each of them taking the blame at some point.

I respect your opinion.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

That's TR for sure.

Brady Rhoden was beside him and lots of other family members. Daggers again IMO. Composed as per the norm though.

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

Allegedly, BW lived with mommy in order to take care of his elderly father. But yet when BW's father died, he didn't even return home for the funeral.

Now, AW is tearful when talking about her father passing, but yet again, she didn't even return home for his funeral.

Also, IIRC, (I tried to find the media clip but was unsuccessful, so JMO), but didn't FW say something outside of court one day (verbatim) about Jake didn't do this, or am I not remembering it correctly? Regardless, I am of the opinion that she (FW) knew exactly all along what took place. BW leaves his phone at 260 Petersen Road the night of the murders, but that was the 1st time since January 2016 that his phone stayed there?! Hmmm, maybe BW should have tried a different alibi such as mommy saying he was at the ranch all night!

These people are utterly disgusting....all of them....

JMO

I have no doubt that FW or CN knew after the fact that the 4 of them accomplished this murder. They might not have had any proof or evidence but they knew.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Allegedly, BW lived with mommy in order to take care of his elderly father. But yet when BW's father died, he didn't even return home for the funeral.

Now, AW is tearful when talking about her father passing, but yet again, she didn't even return home for his funeral.

Also, IIRC, (I tried to find the media clip but was unsuccessful, so JMO), but didn't FW say something outside of court one day (verbatim) about Jake didn't do this, or am I not remembering it correctly? Regardless, I am of the opinion that she (FW) knew exactly all along what took place. BW leaves his phone at 260 Petersen Road the night of the murders, but that was the 1st time since January 2016 that his phone stayed there?! Hmmm, maybe BW should have tried a different alibi such as mommy saying he was at the ranch all night!

These people are utterly disgusting....all of them....

JMO

Well, she (AW) did give testimony about FW and RW knowing some things that I haven't seen posted on here. All MOO.

 

[Myland]

Well, she (AW) did give testimony about FW and RW knowing some things that I haven't seen posted on here. All MOO.

Do tell. Is it hard to look at her and not think really bad thoughts?